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Originally posted by: stormborn

I don't get RK scene today.

Does Radha know Krishna is Narayan or what ?

Exactly Strom same thought

Both confused us what is that after Mahabharat they r going to join...I can't get this

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34

Exactly Strom same thought

Both confused us what is that after Mahabharat they r going to join...I can't get this

Krishna will leave Dwaraka after tsunami. He will unite with Radha in Vaikunth, Palace of Illusions style😆.

I wonder if Swastik has read Devi Purana😈. Radha is Shiva Avatar, and Krishna is Kali Avatar according to DP. Panchali is also partial Kali Avatar. She merges with Krishna to form Kali in the end. Radha returns to being Shiva.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Krishna will leave Dwaraka after tsunami. He will unite with Radha in Vaikunth, Palace of Illusions style😆.

I wonder if Swastik has read Devi Purana😈. Radha is Shiva Avatar, and Krishna is Kali Avatar according to DP. Panchali is also partial Kali Avatar. She merges with Krishna to form Kali in the end. Radha returns to being Shiva.

Rk goes to golok not vaikunt

Each book says differently .it is based on each one believe..

As my bestie Strom say this serial I don't see as mythological.

Rk real story is from Geetha govindam not Devi Purana.This story I dunno from where it's coming

I am enjoying scenes that's all..Panchali is kali or not no idea..rk kali or shiva Avatar is not actually..

Swastika is not copying Devi Purana first of all .it's folklore stories as simple as that

We can say Ramayana this is story but rk we can't..

Geetha govindam , Brahma vivartha purana , Devi Purana is written

But Devi Purana is more of goddess Parvathi hence it's not true as it's told it's not vaisnavism

Vishnu alias krishna being vishnavisim can't be saivaits

Having said all this I respect your belief but it's strong truth that Vaishnavism mool adhaar is lord Vishnu and lakshmi hence they being Parvathi or kali or shiva is imagination

Originally posted by: Sweetypie34

Rk goes to golok not vaikunt

Each book says differently .it is based on each one believe..

As my bestie Strom say this serial I don't see as mythological.

Rk real story is from Geetha govindam not Devi Purana.This story I dunno from where it's coming

I am enjoying scenes that's all..Panchali is kali or not no idea..rk kali or shiva Avatar is not actually..

Swastika is not copying Devi Purana first of all .it's folklore stories as simple as that

We can say Ramayana this is story but rk we can't..

Geetha govindam , Brahma vivartha purana , Devi Purana is written

But Devi Purana is more of goddess Parvathi hence it's not true as it's told it's not vaisnavism

Vishnu alias krishna being vishnavisim can't be saivaits

Having said all this I respect your belief but it's strong truth that Vaishnavism mool adhaar is lord Vishnu and lakshmi hence they being Parvathi or kali or shiva is imagination

All of those texts were written fairly late and are not contemporaneous to Krishna.

Devi Purana is dated to 9th to 14th C (earliest 6th C)

Geeta Govindam is from 12th C and actually is later than Devi Purana.

Brahma Vaivarta Purana is from 15th C.

Honestly, I wasn't trying to play Shaivism against Vaishnavism. I was making a guess on what Swastik might do. TBH, the different points of view on the RK story didn't even strike me as a problem.

God bless.

Siddharth Tewary Ji, I hope I never run into you ever in my lifetime.😡Because I might forget all civility.

Panchali is "keval ek divya sadhan," the way through which Krishna could acquire his dharma saarathi!

You reduced a woman to a thing! Via Krishna's mouth!

Originally posted by: stormborn

I am having a scary intuition. Looks like they have restarted the vadha tracks and this time with Draupadi.

Radha's first vadha was bhay.

In that track, Krishna's whole purpose was to make Radha understand that women have the right to choose their partners and not their parents. He even persuaded Radha to talk to her father about it. Radha finally realised that through Sudevi's wedding.

Krishna is doing the same with Draupadi----lecturing about realising her rights and speaking up about it to her father.

This is the same as the bhay track.

Now probably the next will be moh after she marries the brothers or may be it won't be in the previous order.

It's definitely going to be irsha after Arjun marries Subhadra.

Now I have an even scarier thought--

Vastraharan will be the start of the anger track.

And the whole kurukshetra war will happen to make her realise why anger is bad and only prem is the ultimate answer.

Then she might have some identity crisis just like Radha. But by then Krishna will forget about her entirely and get back to barsana to be with Radha.

👏👏👍🏼🤓🤓 and history repeats!!!!!!!!!!! This is a proof that in no yuga people learn from their mistakes!!! 🤣

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Siddharth Tewary Ji, I hope I never run into you ever in my lifetime.😡Because I might forget all civility.

Panchali is "keval ek divya sadhan," the way through which Krishna could acquire his dharma saarathi!

You reduced a woman to a thing! Via Krishna's mouth!

ohhhhh they have done lot of blunders through this ST's Krishna my dear beforehand !!!!!!!!!!! This is nothing

Originally posted by: RainFire125

ohhhhh they have done lot of blunders through this ST's Krishna my dear beforehand !!!!!!!!!!! This is nothing

I'm so outraged by this😡. I started watching for the MBh portions alone. I believe I'm going to quit.

Krishna was one person in the epic who never treated a woman as a thing. So what excuse is he going to have after Yudhishtira stakes Panchali. She's a thing according to Krishna himself.

Argh. I'm so mad. I don't believe in magic and curses and stuff, but if I did, every bit of my ill will would be on that production house. They're using God and religion to justify women being treated as property.

I knew that suthputhra line was coming. Even if only 4 out of 1600+ manuscripts have it, people use that to justify Karna's incitement of sexual assault on Panchali later on. As though her rejection somehow justifies sexual assault! Still, the rejection is there in 4 manuscripts. Ie, 0.25% of manuscripts, but it's not zero.

But that "divya sadhan" thing is something else, man! So what's the excuse when people do honor killings and revenge rapes and sex trafficking and all? Women are simply things, the means to an end! From the mouth of God himself! Do this enough times, this kind of attitude gets normalized in society.

How do these lines get past censors?

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

I'm so outraged by this😡. I started watching for the MBh portions alone. I believe I'm going to quit.

Krishna was one person in the epic who never treated a woman as a thing. So what excuse is he going to have after Yudhishtira stakes Panchali. She's a thing according to Krishna himself.

Argh. I'm so mad. I don't believe in magic and curses and stuff, but if I did, every bit of my ill will would be on that production house. They're using God and religion to justify women being treated as property.

I knew that suthputhra line was coming. Even if only 4 out of 1600+ manuscripts have it, people use that to justify Karna's incitement of sexual assault on Panchali later on. As though her rejection somehow justifies sexual assault! Still, the rejection is there in 4 manuscripts. Ie, 0.25% of manuscripts, but it's not zero.

But that "divya sadhan" thing is something else, man! So what's the excuse when people do honor killings and revenge rapes and sex trafficking and all? Women are simply things, the means to an end! From the mouth of God himself! Do this enough times, this kind of attitude gets normalized in society.

How do these lines get past censors?

I have always had the same problem with this RK.

Women are being treated as things in swastik RK universe for a long time now. When Vrishvan had promised Ugra to give him anything he wanted, Ugra wanted Radha. But the question was, was Radha Vrishvan's property to simply 'give' to others ? Throughout the whole bhay track and Sudevi's wedding, that's what Krishna had been trying to convince people of---that women are not their father's property and are individual human beings with individual choices and thoughts. But then the same Krishna took out thr same Radha literally into marketplace where Radha put herself into auction. Krishna for once didn't say that Vrishvan was bound to give only a part of his property to Ugra. Radha, a human being was not a 'thing' in his belongings to simply handover to people and that's why Vrisha didn't have any obligation to pass Radha on as a thing or go to the forest failing to do that.

After that I left watching altogether.

I again started with MB introduction but the same thing is now happening with Draupadi. Infront of her, Krishna talks heavily about feminism but actually he is just manipulating her for the so called dharma sthapana. She depends on him ( and a little bit on shikhandi) for every trivial thing and doesn't have a mind of her own. Just like Radha, she suffers from an identity crisis and needs to be repeatedly reminded of who she actually is.

This show has always been shallow and has always lacked depth. I am trying to take it in only the scale of humour and entertainment value. I will watch until I can do that and again leave watching when it becomes unbearable ( which I am sure that it will ).

This Krishna's entire character definition is that he is a master manipulator and can stoop to limitless levels to manipulate people into his ways and to do what he thinks is right.

Women have always been treated as a sack of wheat for men to pass on and use in this show and it will never change. Coz the makers don't even understand this and they think this show is a feminist show.

Originally posted by: stormborn

I have always had the same problem with this RK.

Women are being treated as things in swastik RK universe for a long time now. When Vrishvan had promised Ugra to give him anything he wanted, Ugra wanted Radha. But the question was, was Radha Vrishvan's property to simply 'give' to others ? Throughout the whole bhay track and Sudevi's wedding, that's what Krishna had been trying to convince people of---that women are not their father's property and are individual human beings with individual choices and thoughts. But then the same Krishna took out thr same Radha literally into marketplace where Radha put herself into auction. Krishna for once didn't say that Vrishvan was bound to give only a part of his property to Ugra. Radha, a human being was not a 'thing' in his belongings to simply handover to people and that's why Vrisha didn't have any obligation to pass Radha on as a thing or go to the forest failing to do that.

After that I left watching altogether.

I again started with MB introduction but the same thing is now happening with Draupadi. Infront of her, Krishna talks heavily about feminism but actually he is just manipulating her for the so called dharma sthapana. She depends on him ( and a little bit on shikhandi) for every trivial thing and doesn't have a mind of her own. Just like Radha, she suffers from an identity crisis and needs to be repeatedly reminded of who she actually is.

This show has always been shallow and has always lacked depth. I am trying to take it in only the scale of humour and entertainment value. I will watch until I can do that and again leave watching when it becomes unbearable ( which I am sure that it will ).

This Krishna's entire character definition is that he is a master manipulator and can stoop to limitless levels to manipulate people into his ways and to do what he thinks is right.

Women have always been treated as a sack of wheat for men to pass on and use in this show and it will never change. Coz the makers don't even understand this and they think this show is a feminist show.

@Red. Being master manipulator would be all right if it were presented as something wrong. But here, it is justified!

Take the epic version of Subhadrahraran. Vyasa's Krshna vocalized a hundred justifications to himself and Yadavas as to why it was the right thing to do. And I don't remember him actually calling Subhadra a thing. In fact, he says outright he doesn't know what she'd choose if left to herself. Ie, he knew she had a right to her decisions but was knowingly the bad guy for purely political reasons.

RK Krishna is an utter hypocrite. He seems to believe what he says to the ladies, but when their backs are turned, talks of them as things to be handed from man to man for political needs. And the whole thing is justified to the audience via presentation and narration.

Also, Swastik shifts the blame for the men's wrongdoings onto the women.

My God! Karna not only incited the sexual assault on Panchali, he ran a sex trafficking ring from Anga! Why is that man touted as a hero by this production house, no matter what his caste? Okay, let's say they simply want a lower caste hero and therefore will whitewash him. But they're still using the suthaputhra comment (remember, 0.25% of manuscripts have it, AND it was dismissed as interpolation by BORI) to justify the later sexual assault on Panchali! And she is shown as a silly twit so blinded by love she was willing to insult someone by caste! The shocked look on Krishna's face was the ultimate. So he could talk about her as a thing, but she couldn't reject a potential husband for whatever reason she pleased? Years later, this apparently leads to the attack on her. So what's the difference between this and an acid attack? Is Swastik defending, and using Krishna to defend, acid attacks on women who have the temerity to reject men?

Polyandry was Vyasa's idea! He tells Pandavas to go and get Panchali long before swayamvara. Arjuna and everyone else KNEW when they went there. But again, blame is placed on a woman - Kunti this time.

Also, Suyodhana was actually Karna's katputhali. Never mind that... how was Arjuna not katputhali? The same 5 men who sat on their backsides and watched Panchali getting sexually assaulted at the hands of Karna and Dusshasan because elder brother said so?

The latest episode shocked me. To openly state she was merely a thing!