⭐️ KKB New Generation- Discussion Thread #3 DT NT Pg 49 - Page 37

Originally posted by: Aleyamma47

Oh my apologies, I did not mean to criticize her English but I was rather furious that she is taking the wrong meaning of what I have said.

My extreme apologies Mala, I should have not have criticized your English, because I myself believe that no one is perfect. Really my extreme apologies for those words.

I disagree that ACTORS can't become idols because we have examples of Amir Khan who is indeed an IDOL through his good deeds.

I agree with you that army personnel, scientists and researchers make better IDOLS!

Here what the Pranbir fandom is doing is called as IDOLATRY, that is blindly following every WRONGDOING shown by Pranbir.

Okay let me get this straight to you. We aren't idolizing pranbir. In fact I find prachi to be super annoying sometimes. We just think they make a good couple and we are rooting for them to get together, that's it. Prachi is incredibly flawed and so is Ranbir and literally every character. But there's just too much negativity out in the world now already so it doesn't hurt to discuss how cute Ranbir is when he does something for prachi etc.

And amir Khan as a person is an idol,not the characters he plays. Sriti jha does a lot for the society. So does Shika but Aliya is the worst person there is, doesn't mean I don't respect shikha and what she has done for the orphans and girl children.

I agree that itv has too much negativity but that has to do with stuff like character assaulting women, women damaging other women's character, fake molestation charges,murder, terrorism(that could be sensitive to people who have actually lose their loved ones in these attacks in real lives) etc than these trivial things like prachi isn't acting like a 21 year old. I agree but so what if she isn't. Only Aryan and shahna are. And you don't have to be a super human to know that killing is wrong btw. You just have to be a human for that. And I agree that all itv couples are flawed that includes pranbir. But I don't agree that abhigya is better than pranbir or something not because I am an ardent pranbir follower who idolize them but because abhigya has too much toxicity. Maybe pranbir might also have in future,I won't put it beyond the makers to do that. But atm no couple is better than the other,they are all toxic and they shouldn't be looked up to in real lives as one true pairing. Draw a line between fiction and reality. You can't watch stuff and hope that everything shown would apply in real life. There are shows like naagin,what part of that applies in real life? And who in real life knows a woman who'd do anything to kill her own sister in law and get her out of the way or something? Or who in real life would be so obsessive and possessive over the woman he asked to leave seven years ago knowing she is with another man happily now? Or who'd be stuck over someone for 20 years when you have kids to raise? Or who in real like would take the blame for something they didn't do like a murder or an alleged drug dealer? Does any of this seem real to you? It doesn't,so take fiction as a fiction.

And no we aren't like abhigya fandom. We are all for healthy debates and discussions. In so many cases we all disagree with each other but we never take it personally. And we choose to discuss the obvious negativity in characters like Maya and Rhea over others because we choose to focus on the bigger issues here. Doesn't mean your opinions aren't valid. Just don't be aggressive and go around calling everyone else stupid. You say we aren't trying to understand your point but it seems like you are being a hypocrite and not trying to understand what we are trying to say. So yeah if you don't agree with us then cool just agree to disagree and move on enjoy whatever parts of show you like enjoying and we'd enjoy what we like enjoying.

Originally posted by: Aleyamma47

Thanks a lot Ican, I respect and agree with your opinions. You may be right maybe I am in the 60/40 bracket and I have no problems with people disagreeing with my personal opinions like I personally feel Mugdha Chapekar and Krishna Kaul's acting is not apt to their roles or scenes, but that's my personal thing and I don't force it on anyone.

But here, people are going way against the line just because they are Pranbir fandom. They're not able to accept any criticism all because they LOVE PRANBIR and they are trying to force their opinions on me which is WRONG!

And personally it's WRONG to hype the WRONGDOINGS.

I too like each and every character of this serial in their own way, but it's just that I don't give a blind eye to the WRONGDOINGS like most of them here are doing.

I firmly believe WHAT IS WRONG IS WRONG

Again

I will give you a constructive way to show what you believe in.

Through stories

Write the characters as you want them to be.

You can critise them there and write characters how you want them to be

See here if you discuss with us maya Rhea are wierd AF we will agree.

We will agree to Ranbir being wierd in flirting with other girls even after being mad over Prachi

And Prachi being ultra sweet sometimes she should give back some to Aliya and Rhea.

But

You realize that we are actually indulging in few hours of a day to discuss a show means we see there positives more.

We know they have negatives but since we like them we see there positives more.

And we all can assure you we will no ways want to copy the show in our daily lives.

I am a part of Harry Potter and dan brown fandom too & although I find fighting worthless bit still I would like to defend the characters I like.

So what we are trying to say that we critise too but in a mild to moderate manner your criticism goes a bit sever.

So we all disagree.

You can have your views but if you go severe you know fans will come forward to defend

I hope you find someone 60 and 40% on the forum so you can have similar vibes and discussion will be a pleasure for you.

I would still advise us all to calm down a bit guys.

Originally posted by: Aleyamma47

Really there's nothing wrong with the Prachi-Ranbir's CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT?😂 Do you even know what is CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT? First go and check out the meaning of CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, then give your argument!

I agree with you that more than CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT, the show has FAULTY with PLOT DEVELOPMENT AND STRUCTURE, but doesn't mean your favourite Pranbir are MAHAANATAS!

Btw, don't try to REPEAT MY WORDS TO ME!😂 It's blind Pranbir fandom like who is forcing YOUR THINKING on others and by repeating my words you are trying to shut me up because YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO THE REALITY of what I am saying!

And, yes I do watch and preach the GOOD THINGS SHOWN in the ITV. If you have time other than hyping the FAULTS of your IDOLS Pranbir, then please do also Google about the negative impacts of itv on its viewers, which will help you to change your blind perspective that itv is ONLY WATCHED for entertainment as you do, because not everyone in this world are SUPER-HUMANS as you think who can differentiate between RIGHT and WRONG.

At present, MEDIA where itv is included is the most powerful tool through which WRONG LESSONS are imbibing in the society.

Believe me it's BLIND FOLLOWERS like you who are hyping them and in that way you are becoming TOXIC to everyone.

If you find my criticisms A SHIT, then why the HELL do you SHIT about it! First look at yourself! Then talk about others.

And it's my style of stressing a point by CAPITALISING IT, if you don't like it, it's not my problem 😊

Wait

I will make a new post for you.

Let's end the debate here

Originally posted by: anandhi007

Okay let me get this straight to you. We aren't idolizing pranbir. In fact I find prachi to be super annoying sometimes. We just think they make a good couple and we are rooting for them to get together, that's it. Prachi is incredibly flawed and so is Ranbir and literally every character. But there's just too much negativity out in the world now already so it doesn't hurt to discuss how cute Ranbir is when he does something for prachi etc.

And amir Khan as a person is an idol,not the characters he plays. Sriti jha does a lot for the society. So does Shika but Aliya is the worst person there is, doesn't mean I don't respect shikha and what she has done for the orphans and girl children.

I agree that itv has too much negativity but that has to do with stuff like character assaulting women, women damaging other women's character, fake molestation charges,murder, terrorism(that could be sensitive to people who have actually lose their loved ones in these attacks in real lives) etc than these trivial things like prachi isn't acting like a 21 year old. I agree but so what if she isn't. Only Aryan and shahna are. And you don't have to be a super human to know that killing is wrong btw. You just have to be a human for that. And I agree that all itv couples are flawed that includes pranbir. But I don't agree that abhigya is better than pranbir or something not because I am an ardent pranbir follower who idolize them but because abhigya has too much toxicity. Maybe pranbir might also have in future,I won't put it beyond the makers to do that. But atm no couple is better than the other,they are all toxic and they shouldn't be looked up to in real lives as one true pairing. Draw a line between fiction and reality. You can't watch stuff and hope that everything shown would apply in real life. There are shows like naagin,what part of that applies in real life? And who in real life knows a woman who'd do anything to kill her own sister in law and get her out of the way or something? Or who in real life would be so obsessive and possessive over the woman he asked to leave seven years ago knowing she is with another man happily now? Or who'd be stuck over someone for 20 years when you have kids to raise? Or who in real like would take the blame for something they didn't do like a murder or an alleged drug dealer? Does any of this seem real to you? It doesn't,so take fiction as a fiction.

And no we aren't like abhigya fandom. We are all for healthy debates and discussions. In so many cases we all disagree with each other but we never take it personally. And we choose to discuss the obvious negativity in characters like Maya and Rhea over others because we choose to focus on the bigger issues here. Doesn't mean your opinions aren't valid. Just don't be aggressive and go around calling everyone else stupid. You say we aren't trying to understand your point but it seems like you are being a hypocrite and not trying to understand what we are trying to say. So yeah if you don't agree with us then cool just agree to disagree and move on enjoy whatever parts of show you like enjoying and we'd enjoy what we like enjoying.

Lol you are calling me a hypocrite and YOU HAVE PROVED YOU YOURSELF are ONE OF THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITES through this post!😂

You carry out only healthy discussions unlike Abhigya fandoms, like really, just LOOK AT THE HYPOCRISY of that statement Madam. With every discussion you have carried out with me I can prove that YOUR PRANBIR FANDOM are as TOXIC as Abhigya's.

And by superhuman I meant a human being WHO CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATES between RIGHT and WRONG, of course they can be called a super human because not every normal human being has the POTENTIAL to differentiate between RIGHT and WRONG, if they had as you said then there would not have existed any murders, rapes or other crimes in this world. It's a fact!

Of course, everything shown in the itv can't be applied to real life, then why the HELL are you fandoms HYPING THEM in REALITY? So acc to you we should not criticize the fictional serials by comparing it with the reality but we can IDOLIZE their WRONGDOINGS, what bullshit?

And please don't drag Abhigya here, I can start a whole chapter bigger than that of Pranbir about Abhigya's faulty character and plot development. I have not made any comparisons with them, so you don't try to initiate that!

Btw, it's not me who is disagreeing with you, but rather it's the other way around, because you guys are not able to accept the FAULTINESS of your favourite Pranbir and just look how HYPOCRITICAL YOU ARE by doing that😂

In the end, It's YOUR PRANBIR FANDOM, who needs to learn how to accept the NEGATIVITY OF YOUR IDOLS.

And I had meant Amir Khan in real life as an IDOL because Ican had pointed out that actors can never become IDOLS, which is why I gave the example of Amir Khan.

To your kind information, even GOOD characters do become IDOLS of fans in real life. I don't think I need to give examples of that. Here you people are IDOLIZING your favs in A TOTALLY WRONG WAY!

Finally, thanks a lot for your advice to enjoy the parts which I like but no thanks because I am ALREADY DOING THAT😊👍, as I am not someone who BLINDLY FOLLOWS each and everything shown on ITV and I clearly point out WHAT IS WRONG TO BE WRONG, be it Pranbir, Abhigya, Preeran whichever.

As I said earlier it's fandoms like you, who needs to learn to ACCEPT EVEN THE NEGATIVITIES OF YOUR FAVOURITES

If you can't, COOL, I have no problem, continue blindly singing Jai Ho Pranbir ki all your life!

Originally posted by: Aleyamma47

Lol you are calling me a hypocrite and YOU HAVE PROVED YOU YOURSELF are ONE OF THE BIGGEST HYPOCRITES through this post!😂

You carry out only healthy discussions unlike Abhigya fandoms, like really, just LOOK AT THE HYPOCRISY of that statement Madam. With every discussion you have carried out with me I can prove that YOUR PRANBIR FANDOM are as TOXIC as Abhigya's.

And by superhuman I meant a human being WHO CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATES between RIGHT and WRONG, of course they can be called a super human because not every normal human being has the POTENTIAL to differentiate between RIGHT and WRONG, if they had as you said then there would not have existed any murders, rapes or other crimes in this world. It's a fact!

Of course, everything shown in the itv can't be applied to real life, then why the HELL are you fandoms HYPING THEM in REALITY? So acc to you we should not criticize the fictional serials by comparing it with the reality but we can IDOLIZE their WRONGDOINGS, what bullshit?

And please don't drag Abhigya here, I can start a whole chapter bigger than that of Pranbir about Abhigya's faulty character and plot development. I have not made any comparisons with them, so you don't try to initiate that!

Btw, it's not me who is disagreeing with you, but rather it's the other way around, because you guys are not able to accept the FAULTINESS of your favourite Pranbir and just look how HYPOCRITICAL YOU ARE by doing that😂

In the end, It's YOUR PRANBIR FANDOM, who needs to learn how to accept the NEGATIVITY OF YOUR IDOLS.

And I had meant Amir Khan in real life as an IDOL because Ican had pointed out that actors can never become IDOLS, which is why I gave the example of Amir Khan.

To your kind information, even GOOD characters do become IDOLS of fans in real life. I don't think I need to give examples of that. Here you people are IDOLIZING your favs in A TOTALLY WRONG WAY!

Finally, thanks a lot for your advice to enjoy the parts which I like but no thanks because I am ALREADY DOING THAT😊👍, as I am not someone who BLINDLY FOLLOWS each and everything shown on ITV and I clearly point out WHAT IS WRONG TO BE WRONG, be it Pranbir, Abhigya, Preeran whichever.

As I said earlier it's fandoms like you, who needs to learn to ACCEPT EVEN THE NEGATIVITIES OF YOUR FAVOURITES

If you can't, COOL, I have no problem, continue blindly singing Jai Ho Pranbir ki all your life!

Please check out the link

I have made for you

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/153652050

We dont want arguments here

I really hope you find like minded people who have same thoughts you like.

Originally posted by: ican

Again

I will give you a constructive way to show what you believe in.

Through stories

Write the characters as you want them to be.

You can critise them there and write characters how you want them to be

See here if you discuss with us maya Rhea are wierd AF we will agree.

We will agree to Ranbir being wierd in flirting with other girls even after being mad over Prachi

And Prachi being ultra sweet sometimes she should give back some to Aliya and Rhea.

But

You realize that we are actually indulging in few hours of a day to discuss a show means we see there positives more.

We know they have negatives but since we like them we see there positives more.

And we all can assure you we will no ways want to copy the show in our daily lives.

I am a part of Harry Potter and dan brown fandom too & although I find fighting worthless bit still I would like to defend the characters I like.

So what we are trying to say that we critise too but in a mild to moderate manner your criticism goes a bit sever.

So we all disagree.

You can have your views but if you go severe you know fans will come forward to defend

I hope you find someone 60 and 40% on the forum so you can have similar vibes and discussion will be a pleasure for you.

I would still advise us all to calm down a bit guys.

Okay, let's just calm down

Originally posted by: anandhi007

Okay let me get this straight to you. We aren't idolizing pranbir. In fact I find prachi to be super annoying sometimes. We just think they make a good couple and we are rooting for them to get together, that's it. Prachi is incredibly flawed and so is Ranbir and literally every character. But there's just too much negativity out in the world now already so it doesn't hurt to discuss how cute Ranbir is when he does something for prachi etc.

And amir Khan as a person is an idol,not the characters he plays. Sriti jha does a lot for the society. So does Shika but Aliya is the worst person there is, doesn't mean I don't respect shikha and what she has done for the orphans and girl children.

I agree that itv has too much negativity but that has to do with stuff like character assaulting women, women damaging other women's character, fake molestation charges,murder, terrorism(that could be sensitive to people who have actually lose their loved ones in these attacks in real lives) etc than these trivial things like prachi isn't acting like a 21 year old. I agree but so what if she isn't. Only Aryan and shahna are. And you don't have to be a super human to know that killing is wrong btw. You just have to be a human for that. And I agree that all itv couples are flawed that includes pranbir. But I don't agree that abhigya is better than pranbir or something not because I am an ardent pranbir follower who idolize them but because abhigya has too much toxicity. Maybe pranbir might also have in future,I won't put it beyond the makers to do that. But atm no couple is better than the other,they are all toxic and they shouldn't be looked up to in real lives as one true pairing. Draw a line between fiction and reality. You can't watch stuff and hope that everything shown would apply in real life. There are shows like naagin,what part of that applies in real life? And who in real life knows a woman who'd do anything to kill her own sister in law and get her out of the way or something? Or who in real life would be so obsessive and possessive over the woman he asked to leave seven years ago knowing she is with another man happily now? Or who'd be stuck over someone for 20 years when you have kids to raise? Or who in real like would take the blame for something they didn't do like a murder or an alleged drug dealer? Does any of this seem real to you? It doesn't,so take fiction as a fiction.

And no we aren't like abhigya fandom. We are all for healthy debates and discussions. In so many cases we all disagree with each other but we never take it personally. And we choose to discuss the obvious negativity in characters like Maya and Rhea over others because we choose to focus on the bigger issues here. Doesn't mean your opinions aren't valid. Just don't be aggressive and go around calling everyone else stupid. You say we aren't trying to understand your point but it seems like you are being a hypocrite and not trying to understand what we are trying to say. So yeah if you don't agree with us then cool just agree to disagree and move on enjoy whatever parts of show you like enjoying and we'd enjoy what we like enjoying.

See I don't think we can make her agree with us.

You fighting or defending also will not male a difference.

She just thinks differently from us .

Let her be .

What I have suggested to her is that she can make another page , where we won't defend her

Because here although we dont IDOLIZE them we dont critise Pranbir the way Aleyamma does.

You also please check out this link

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/153652050

Originally posted by: ican

Wait

I will make a new post for you.

Let's end the debate here

No please 🙏, I really don't want to FORCE anything on ANYONE here! When people replied to my post, I replied back in what I felt is just.

I don't want to start a new debate corner here again because I don't think there is any like minded person here!😫

I'm someone who sees the FLAWS without trying to positivize it, ALL BECAUSE I am their FAN or I like them.

I have a different perspective from others as I criticize both Abhigya and Pranbir, tho I love them both.

Even if you create a new post I don't think there will be another 60/40 individual like me because I understood, most here are not 70/40 but RATHER 95/5 so it's better we END THIS DEBATE!

And that would be a HEALTHY THINKING

Thanks a lot Sam, Anandhi, Mala for discussing with me your point of view, but as Ican pointed out you can't make me AGREE with you because I have a TOTALLY DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE.

☺️

Originally posted by: ican

See I don't think we can make her agree with us.

You fighting or defending also will not male a difference.

She just thinks differently from us .

Let her be .

What I have suggested to her is that she can make another page , where we won't defend her

Because here although we dont IDOLIZE them we dont critise Pranbir the way Aleyamma does.

You also please check out this link

https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/post/153652050

You hit the nail on the head Ican, they're constantly defending and fighting all because they want me accept what they think about Pranbir.

It's not just possible when I have my own PERSPECTIVES, you are right,I think differently

I am not with you that they are not IDOLIZING Pranbir because the way they are defending CLEARLY POINTS out that they are indeed IDOLIZING Pranbir, Fact!

I accept that the Pranbir fandom can't agree with my thoughts, fine I have no issues. I will STOP and please I don't want another discussion thread because as I said MAJORITY here are either Pranbir/Abhigya fans and me being a single SOUL with a different perspective can't defend with all of them. So please delete that discussion thread.

I promise I won't debate anymore provided that no one starts with me once again.