This is how you support outsiders ?? - Page 17

I thought theatre exhibitors were only too keen to show films that are recieved well...thugs of Hindustan got kicked out and badhaai ho was screened instead at several theatres...dosent it depend on how the content is recieved rather than who arm twisted eventually? Same happened with tumbad, takshent files and ilk...

They didn’t try a lot of screens coz not every film has that universal an audience..it can still do well with limited screens if an audience section patronises it case in point kahaani, baahubali (first film had Low screens for the dubbed version), etc

U can complain about being brainwashed all u want ...recognise ur putting urself at disservice because u have a brain that u can refuse to get “washed” and so does the rest of the audience

Remember what happened with kalank? No amount of fancy pr could wash anyone’s brains there

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Bold- I am sorry i find it very hard to be ok with what Manoj said seeing how many outsider films did well in the past few years especially low budget films as well. Rajkumar Rao, Ayushman Khurana , Karthik Aryan , Vicky Kaushal, it's their movies previously that have done well. Infact it was last year only that Ayushman and Vicky both won joint best actors at several award functions. A film like Newton (Rajkumar Rao) got a lot of acclaim. So what Manoj is talking about hasn't really happened. May he is talking about his specific films, if he would name it may be i could understand. But this general statement makes no sense.

Also Monopoly is an issue no doubt but so is the audience. As long as audience doesn't accept the role they played in this or take part of the blame or take action themselves then nothing is going to change. As long as the audience keeps blaming others without trying to understand the role they played nothing is going to change. Why did Dharma become this big production house and a brand? It wasn't always so. Dharma was in huge loses when KJO's dad was there. It was in complete doldrums no where the brand it is today. Who did that? KJO made movies but its the audience that made this movies a hit. Its audience that gave commercial success to Dharma movies and made it a brand. I don't know why people are so against audience taking some real action and why cant audience take some real action.

Rectify ourselves- This means force others to change but we wont change ourselves. Which i always find hypocritical.

I think you are being hypocritical in blaming the audience for not changing themselves and then claiming that outsider films did well. They did well precisely because the audience is changing. You give credit to audience for making Dharma films hit but you neglect to do that in the outsiders case. Who exactly in your view made their films successes then?

What Manoj is saying is that those films don't get the similar number of screens or distribution, I take his statement at face value because I don't think he has anything to gain by lying about this. In fact, it would these statements would probably hamper him professionally.

Those Dharma films that were blockbusters were released 20 years ago, it has no relevance to the current discussion because the Bollywood landscape and audience has changed hugely since then. In fact, I can say with confidence that if those films released now, they would tank.

People aren't against audience taking action, there's literally a huge anti-nepotism movement storming social media right now. Change doesn't happen overnight. And it won't happen at all if people like you try to stifle the discussion by blaming the audience and pointing out hypocrisy at every corner. Everyone is a hypocrite, including you and me. That doesn't negate the toxic power structures and monopoly in the Bollywood industry. I don't understand why it's so hard to understand that.

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

What do you mean, "even though it has an outsider"? I am (or any audience) not biased towards or against insider or outsider. We treat both the same. If it is a good product, we would watch it from any. It is the filmmakers who are biased and audience are expected to componsate for their bias. (Film maker is going to give better product with insider only. To compensate it, you pay money for a bad product of outsider). That is a great logic.

Varun is not a star kid. Till he was launched by KJo, janta did not know him. But as he was an industry kid, he got connections. Bhaaghi or ABCD, Tiger and Varun gave them after they got established. (I watched Tiger much later after his debut. But he kept getting movies till aam janta like me turned to him). People became familiar with their name in some hit movies. Then they started to go to movies, because of their name. But it (familiarity) takes time. Till then, others cannot sustain. When I say better movies, I did not mean, logical ones. In fact, October was not hit. I am speaking about Masala films which have flow (not some random scenes) and better packaging (commercial elements like foot tapping songs).

How is taking an better outsider (I am not saying Vidyut, I found him expressionless) over Armaan Jain or cutting a better trailer or a story with a plot (not just a bunch of action and sleazy scenes) is a sacrifice for production companies?

See following definitely are the problems

1) Star Kids / Industry Insiders get easier first break than outsider. Outsiders really have to struggle a lot to get this break

2) Insider even if he/she is untalented gets a lot of chances like Arjun Kapoor

3) Outsiders have to work way harder for their success

Are above not an issue , 100% its is. But its the approach to this issue that i have a problem with. With people claiming they are against nepotism and want to support outsiders and challenge the above issues. Very good if they want to do it but how? Currently only thing people are doing is writing hate messages to KJO and gang on social media. Ok fine do that. But what other than this?. Are people willing to take any other action? The answer to this is also No. They are not willing to see outsider movies if they find the trailer boring. They not willing to not see Dharma or star kids movies. Then if audience only wants to write hate message on SM to star kids but not really take any action themselves then i find this whole thing a farce.

Who said Vidyut is not established? The outsider in this thread in question.He has had a longer carrier than both Varun and Tiger. His movie Jungle was quite hyped and was directed by a famous American filmmaker. As many have pointed out even last week he was the flavour of the week when every one was trending him when he spoke about nepotism. But the moment his trailer came out no one was intrested. So yes even if the movie is bad then also audience is more interested in it if its an insider like Varun or tiger rather than an outsider.

What you are calling as bias of PH's is simply their like and dislikes. Yes you may not agree with their likes or dislikes but how can you ask them not to do what they like when you yourself are not willing. to change.

I called it a sacrifice for the PH's because just like you found the trailer boring they also find casting insider's more interesting. They find it more interesting to cast some one's son and daughter and the hype that comes with it. Its what they like. If you are not willing to do some thing you don't like how can you expect others to do it?

Originally posted by: Krantikari

What Manoj is saying is that those films don't get the similar number of screens or distribution, I take his statement at face value because I don't think he has anything to gain by lying about this. In fact, it would these statements would probably hamper him professionally.

Naam Lene Mein Kya Issue Hai ? Which film was it ?

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Who said Vidyut is not established? The outsider in this thread in question.He has had a longer carrier than both Varun and Tiger. His movie Jungle was quite hyped and was directed by a famous American filmmaker. As many have pointed out even last week he was the flavour of the week when every one was trending him when he spoke about nepotism. But the moment his trailer came out no one was intrested. So yes even if the movie is bad then also audience is more interested in it if its an insider like Varun or tiger rather than an outsider.

He was probably the most famous person just 2 weeks ago 😆

Originally posted by: pathaka

God forbid if someone dosent burn in needless rage against individuals they “think” are evil ppl..they then become apologists

Sorry not everyone shares ur blanket rage

Go right ahead and ignore. Better for the both of us ....

👏🤗

Originally posted by: Sailor-Moon

You are talking about Sushant. You said he died and is made into a martyr and was "average". Many people liked his acting and thought he acted well, it's not a fact that he was "average"

I found him as an average actor.

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

I’m going to need a film where that happened

It was taken off after the collections became good. That’s sounds unbelievable

Anyway his definition of good is probably something else completely 😆

His definition of good movie will make insomniac to get a 8 hours of sleep after watching it.

Originally posted by: colossial2015

His definition of good movie will make insomniac to get a 8 hours of sleep after watching it.

I won’t say go that far

But this guys career (Manoj) is filled with more failure than success and here is asking for more marketing ? I’d laugh him out of my office 😆

Originally posted by: Sailor-Moon

Um yeah there's a bunch of people who bash Sushant for no reason. Like it's their opinion but why say bad things about someone who's not here to defend himself anymore. It's basic manners.

There was someone who even made fun of his death saying something about how Karan is a cannibal who wants to eat Sushant's dead body... do people think at all before saying such things.

Shushant is a clear example what happens when people do not take care of their mental health and commit suicide. Nobody should take his path to run away from problems.