This is how you support outsiders ?? - Page 12

Originally posted by: blue-ice.1

No body knows Vidyut Jamval?? ye kab hua?? I want Dexy to answer this😆.....jokes apart..I have never watched any of VJ's movies because I don't like him or the kind of movies he does....too much action...same reason....never watched the Baagi series....same reasons as VJ....but to say that people know Tusshar more than VJ is a long shot.......imagine if Tusshar was the lead in this movie....it probably wouldn't have gotten even 100 thousand views....million toh bhool he jao😆...do u remember Ranbir Kapoor's cousin who was launched with so much fanfare....he also disappeared😆...see its easy for them to get a movie....but only the deserving ones get the love of audience.

I like Vidhyut right from his debut in Force. I think he is a better version of Tiger minus dancing skill. That said, he can't simply match Tiger's star power, blame it on him being outsider, nepotism, lack of coverage or whatever but the truth is he hasn't been able pull the crowd to the movie theater. I have watched this trailer and I m going to watch this movie for sure.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Bold- So basically you don't want to watch a movie that has a boring trailer even though it has an outsider because probably you don't want to sacrifice your entertainment .Fine. But then why do you expect big production houses to sacrifice their wishes and wants?

If you are not ready to sacrifice your entertainment for what you believe in then why are you expecting other's ( basically production houses) to do it?

Now another excuse - Outsider's get bad stories😆. Do you think all of Varun Dhawan's movies have great stories? Except Badlapur and October all are commercial illogical films. Do you think Bhaaghi series has some good story line? No it doesn't. I haven't seen this trailer but i am sure it was not as bad as Varun's ABCD 2 which was a 100 Cr hit with a pathetic story line. So lets accept the fact that even bad stories do well when a star kid is casted or a let me say famous star kid is casted because audience at large is more interested in star kid than an outsider. The current trend is a proof that people are more interested in hating an insider than propping up an outsider.

What do you mean, "even though it has an outsider"? I am (or any audience) not biased towards or against insider or outsider. We treat both the same. If it is a good product, we would watch it from any. It is the filmmakers who are biased and audience are expected to componsate for their bias. (Film maker is going to give better product with insider only. To compensate it, you pay money for a bad product of outsider). That is a great logic.

Varun is not a star kid. Till he was launched by KJo, janta did not know him. But as he was an industry kid, he got connections. Bhaaghi or ABCD, Tiger and Varun gave them after they got established. (I watched Tiger much later after his debut. But he kept getting movies till aam janta like me turned to him). People became familiar with their name in some hit movies. Then they started to go to movies, because of their name. But it (familiarity) takes time. Till then, others cannot sustain. When I say better movies, I did not mean, logical ones. In fact, October was not hit. I am speaking about Masala films which have flow (not some random scenes) and better packaging (commercial elements like foot tapping songs).

How is taking an better outsider (I am not saying Vidyut, I found him expressionless) over Armaan Jain or cutting a better trailer or a story with a plot (not just a bunch of action and sleazy scenes) is a sacrifice for production companies?

Originally posted by: tapori

Which is all wrong!

While there is some lip service, but a lot of improvements have come in in corporate companies to tackle the abuse. We are not there yet, but we are trying to make work a better place for the employees in a lot many places.

This is where your and my vichaardhaaras diverge.

In India, unless there is pressure, we would have NO hopes of any improvement in Bollywood. Think of the outrage (again, criticism and NOT the death/rape threats) as this pressure. The threats are a nuisance that are hurting the critics as well (so stars can say dekho dekho ALL you critics look at yourself in the mirror, this is the real YOU; and things like that).

Chalta hai. Beejness mein hota hai. Cinema mein bhi hon do. Is acceptable to some, but not to all.

I am someone who has worked in front office. I have seen enough one night stands. These things are hidden from everyone. In the cases of sexual harassment and molestation everything is covered up by the companies.

Bollywood is a horrible place. Its all about having as much power as possible.

Originally posted by: Sabhayata

Bold- So basically you don't want to watch a movie that has a boring trailer even though it has an outsider because probably you don't want to sacrifice your entertainment .Fine. But then why do you expect big production houses to sacrifice their wishes and wants? Why should they spend their money somewhere they don't want to?

Just like you found the trailer boring and don't want to waste your time watching it . The big production houses also find insider kids more interesting than outsider.

If you are not ready to sacrifice your entertainment for what you believe in then why are you expecting other's ( basically production houses) to do it?

Now another excuse - Outsider's get bad stories😆. Do you think all of Varun Dhawan's movies have great stories? Except Badlapur and October all are commercial illogical films. Do you think Bhaaghi series has some good story line? No it doesn't. I haven't seen this trailer but i am sure it was not as bad as Varun's ABCD 2 which was a 100 Cr hit with a pathetic story line. So lets accept the fact that even bad stories do well when a star kid is casted or a let me say famous star kid is casted because audience at large is more interested in star kid than an outsider. The current trend is a proof that people are more interested in hating an insider than propping up an outsider.

Some movies with good trailer are horrible. I hate Baaghi series. All Tiger did to act as an uncontrollable aggressive man.

October is how many industrial trainees act. I laughed at many hotel scenes. This movie is quite hilarious in the beginning for many people who are hoteliers.

ABCD series is bad. There are many good dance related movies made in past.

Originally posted by: pathaka

Ppl: “Oh I’d rather watch vidyut than the nepo boy tiger imma unfollow nepo and follow the talented outsider hard workers”

Vidyut drops yaara trailer

*pin drop silence*

Ppl: omg I wasn’t told....I didn’t know...if only aliaa and kjo stopped rubbing themselves in my face I can concentrate on these outsiders...so much Pr and marketing in my face...why can’t they spend the same money on vidyut

Ans: didn’t u just unfollow them and follow vidyut instead?thats how u will know and u just admitted u won’t give anybody attention unless they scream in ur face...so why blame the aggressive Pr when ur giving it that attention and ignoring the low key ones who silently post their trailer and get it done

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In this country people are interested even a star kids sneezes. Star kids are something many people discuss among friends. Nobody cares for an outsider unless they are successful or starting opposite a big star or star kid.

Originally posted by: MrsChandlerBing

Exactly !! Bas essay likhwa lo yaha

Woh bhi ten pages ka jiske andar content bhi nahi hai. Just like school times. 🤣

Originally posted by: pathaka

It’s baffling how ppl refuse to acknowledge they are part of the Very problem they are fighting against ...

they want kjo, bwod, the whole world to spend their money marketing outsiders so that U can Give them attention..

Why don’t u spend your time and money giving them attention and that way, they will automatically get better deals considering the love ppl shower them with...

it’s entitlement to think that someone should spend all that money to gain ur attention ...if u care enough, ud give it attention and following that they will spend their money coz they have a yardstick to go with

People nearly got to my throat when I told them that audience refuses to acknowledge an outsiders. They will follow someone who will get them likes on social media.

Whenever I tell people that I watched all the movies of Vidya Balan as I really love her on screen. They make fun of me saying why I am watching a behenji on screen. Why I did not watched SOTY 2 ? I like nepo kids, but such comments are too much.

Originally posted by: flipfl0p

What do you mean, "even though it has an outsider"? I am (or any audience) not biased towards or against insider or outsider. We treat both the same. If it is a good product, we would watch it from any. It is the filmmakers who are biased and audience are expected to componsate for their bias. (Film maker is going to give better product with insider only. To compensate it, you pay money for a bad product of outsider). That is a great logic.

Varun is not a star kid. Till he was launched by KJo, janta did not know him. But as he was an industry kid, he got connections. Bhaaghi or ABCD, Tiger and Varun gave them after they got established. (I watched Tiger much later after his debut. But he kept getting movies till aam janta like me turned to him). People became familiar with their name in some hit movies. Then they started to go to movies, because of their name. But it (familiarity) takes time. Till then, others cannot sustain. When I say better movies, I did not mean, logical ones. In fact, October was not hit. I am speaking about Masala films which have flow (not some random scenes) and better packaging (commercial elements like foot tapping songs).

How is taking an better outsider (I am not saying Vidyut, I found him expressionless) over Armaan Jain or cutting a better trailer or a story with a plot (not just a bunch of action and sleazy scenes) is a sacrifice for production companies?

Thank you! I couldn't have said it better. 👍🏼

Originally posted by: Maroonporsche

They know he sucks. Its that He has zero ties to anyone in Bollywood so he is the newest Poster Boy for the unprivileged. But where the are when he needed them. Vidyut will never make any strides with fairweather fans 😆

His anti- nepotism comments broke the last ties too.

Indian audience is fair weathered. This is so true. 😡

Originally posted by: MrsChandlerBing

Exactly !! Bas essay likhwa lo yaha

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