This is how you support outsiders ?? - Page 16

I think it is myopic to blame the audience in this regard. I remember what Manoj Bajpayee said when he was asked this question in an interview and I think it is the best take in the whole debate. Here's the quote from the interview:

When asked if the viewers are also to be blamed for patronising a certain section of actors following a line of nepotism. Manoj said, “We will come to that definitely when the time is right. At this time, the right questions are being asked. I agree there is a lot of chaos and filth but if you want to find the questions you want to find the answers for yourself, then you will realise that the solution lies in us. The audience does that but it’s not their fault. Look at the manner in which good films are exhibited and distributed. They don't get the right number of theatres, they don't get the right number of shows, right timing of shows. When a small film starts picking up, it's taken off. Are you giving that audience a chance to go ahead and mentor those films? But yes you are right, a little bit of a problem also lies on that side. We will come to it. First we will have to rectify ourselves, only then we can ask those questions to the viewers. Otherwise, it will sound whataboutery.”

Full interview was posted here: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/bollywood/5166465/manoj-bajpayee-bollywood-must-rectify-its-mistake

If I am not wrong, the crux of the issue is the monopoly at play here. Audience tastes' are evolving as they become more exposed to international cinema, otherwise Salman's films would still be ATBBs.

Originally posted by: Krantikari

Look at the manner in which good films are exhibited and distributed. They don't get the right number of theatres, they don't get the right number of shows, right timing of shows. When a small film starts picking up, it's taken off

I’m going to need a film where that happened

It was taken off after the collections became good. That’s sounds unbelievable

Anyway his definition of good is probably something else completely 😆

Originally posted by: Krantikari

I think it is myopic to blame the audience in this regard. I remember what Manoj Bajpayee said when he was asked this question in an interview and I think it is the best take in the whole debate. Here's the quote from the interview:

When asked if the viewers are also to be blamed for patronising a certain section of actors following a line of nepotism. Manoj said, “We will come to that definitely when the time is right. At this time, the right questions are being asked. I agree there is a lot of chaos and filth but if you want to find the questions you want to find the answers for yourself, then you will realise that the solution lies in us. The audience does that but it’s not their fault. Look at the manner in which good films are exhibited and distributed. They don't get the right number of theatres, they don't get the right number of shows, right timing of shows. When a small film starts picking up, it's taken off. Are you giving that audience a chance to go ahead and mentor those films? But yes you are right, a little bit of a problem also lies on that side. We will come to it. First we will have to rectify ourselves, only then we can ask those questions to the viewers. Otherwise, it will sound whataboutery.”

Full interview was posted here: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/bollywood/5166465/manoj-bajpayee-bollywood-must-rectify-its-mistake

If I am not wrong, the crux of the issue is the monopoly at play here. Audience tastes' are evolving as they become more exposed to international cinema, otherwise Salman's films would still be ATBBs.

Yasss!

Manoj's interview had the best take on the debate!

It was quite balanced a view. One can't place the entire blame on the audience when the core of the matter is a huge one sided mess!

Audience can only do so much - Ofc we also have to evolve and last few years audience has evolved!

Problem happens when audience gives appropriate love (example Chichhore) yet it gets shunned and ignored by huge PR campaign and media while mediocre products are hailed just because it's part of the crew!

There's a lot of manipulations, brainwashing involved - Reason why PRs are so successful these days and they continue to grow!

Big production houses, established producers and insiders have easy access to such tools which becomes a means of exposure for us audience!

So it isn't as straight forward as "watch outsiders movies" and that's your solution when there are many other factors involved for this one sided business!

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

Ditto same - It is kinda futile!

I was ignoring many threads because ofc it was like bhains ke aage bin bajaana - but yesterday saw Exol posting on a thread and couldn't help discuss with another like minded individual!

Who knew our discussion would become a thorn for some of the Nepo apologists! 😆

Even after these many days I have realized Nepo defenders ki sui same jagah pe atki hui hain - "Bow down to Nepotism and accept mediocrity than to challenge the chalta hain attitude" 🤣

I myself ignored many threads. It was tough 😆

Originally posted by: Krantikari

I think it is myopic to blame the audience in this regard. I remember what Manoj Bajpayee said when he was asked this question in an interview and I think it is the best take in the whole debate. Here's the quote from the interview:

When asked if the viewers are also to be blamed for patronising a certain section of actors following a line of nepotism. Manoj said, “We will come to that definitely when the time is right. At this time, the right questions are being asked. I agree there is a lot of chaos and filth but if you want to find the questions you want to find the answers for yourself, then you will realise that the solution lies in us. The audience does that but it’s not their fault. Look at the manner in which good films are exhibited and distributed. They don't get the right number of theatres, they don't get the right number of shows, right timing of shows. When a small film starts picking up, it's taken off. Are you giving that audience a chance to go ahead and mentor those films? But yes you are right, a little bit of a problem also lies on that side. We will come to it. First we will have to rectify ourselves, only then we can ask those questions to the viewers. Otherwise, it will sound whataboutery.”

Full interview was posted here: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/bollywood/5166465/manoj-bajpayee-bollywood-must-rectify-its-mistake

If I am not wrong, the crux of the issue is the monopoly at play here. Audience tastes' are evolving as they become more exposed to international cinema, otherwise Salman's films would still be ATBBs.

Exactly. I have said earlier too, Manoj's take on this debate is the best. But then, some people were calling Manoj too have his own agenda. I mean, what Manoj has to do with it. He is successful and has been there completely on his own talent, he is one of those calling out Masand openly. Manoj is right on there.

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

Yasss!

Manoj's interview had the best take on the debate!

It was quite balanced a view. One can't place the entire blame on the audience when the core of the matter is a huge one sided mess!

Audience can only do so much - Ofc we also have to evolve and last few years audience has evolved!

Problem happens when audience gives appropriate love (example Chichhore) yet it gets shunned and ignored by huge PR campaign and media while mediocre products are hailed just because it's part of the crew!

There's a lot of manipulations, brainwashing involved - Reason why PRs are so successful these days and they continue to grow!

Big production houses, established producers and insiders have easy access to such tools which becomes a means of exposure for us audience!

So it isn't as straight forward as "watch outsiders movies" and that's your solution when there are many other factors involved for this one sided business!

Exactly. This is the point which people aren't even trying to understand. I am done on this debate.

Originally posted by: Sailor-Moon

You are talking about Sushant. You said he died and is made into a martyr and was "average". Many people liked his acting and thought he acted well, it's not a fact that he was "average"

The thing is this person says he or she doesn't care about Sushant but keeps on making threads on Sushant. I mean, if you are bored of people talking about Sushant, then why taking his name and taking a dig at him.

Originally posted by: Renee.Clare

The thing is this person says he or she doesn't care about Sushant but keeps on making threads on Sushant. I mean, if you are bored of people talking about Sushant, then why taking his name and taking a dig at him.

There was someone who even made fun of his death saying something about how Karan is a cannibal who wants to eat Sushant's dead body... do people think at all before saying such things.

Originally posted by: Sailor-Moon

Um yeah there's a bunch of people who bash Sushant for no reason. I mean it's their opinion but why say bad things about someone who's not here to defend himself anymore. It's basic manners.

There was someone who even made fun of his death saying something about how Karan is a cannibal who wants to eat Sushant's dead body... do people think at all before saying such things.

Oh God. This is another reason I don't indulge in debate with people because some people go too far to support their arguments that they don't leave the dead person. Uff.

Originally posted by: Krantikari

I think it is myopic to blame the audience in this regard. I remember what Manoj Bajpayee said when he was asked this question in an interview and I think it is the best take in the whole debate. Here's the quote from the interview:

When asked if the viewers are also to be blamed for patronising a certain section of actors following a line of nepotism. Manoj said, “We will come to that definitely when the time is right. At this time, the right questions are being asked. I agree there is a lot of chaos and filth but if you want to find the questions you want to find the answers for yourself, then you will realise that the solution lies in us. The audience does that but it’s not their fault. Look at the manner in which good films are exhibited and distributed. They don't get the right number of theatres, they don't get the right number of shows, right timing of shows. When a small film starts picking up, it's taken off. Are you giving that audience a chance to go ahead and mentor those films? But yes you are right, a little bit of a problem also lies on that side. We will come to it. First we will have to rectify ourselves, only then we can ask those questions to the viewers. Otherwise, it will sound whataboutery.”

Full interview was posted here: https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/bollywood/5166465/manoj-bajpayee-bollywood-must-rectify-its-mistake

If I am not wrong, the crux of the issue is the monopoly at play here. Audience tastes' are evolving as they become more exposed to international cinema, otherwise Salman's films would still be ATBBs.

Also Monopoly is an issue no doubt but so is the audience. As long as audience doesn't accept the role they played in this or take part of the blame or take action themselves then nothing is going to change. As long as the audience keeps blaming others without trying to understand the role they played nothing is going to change. Why did Dharma become this big production house and a brand? It wasn't always so. Dharma was in huge loses when KJO's dad was there. It was in complete doldrums no where the brand it is today. Who did that? KJO made movies but its the audience that made this movies a hit. Its audience that gave commercial success to Dharma movies and made it a brand. I don't know why people are so against audience taking some real action and why cant audience take some real action.

Rectify ourselves- This means force others to change but we wont change ourselves. Which i always find hypocritical.