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Originally posted by: Chiillii

Only undisputable fact in that entire yagya and fire ritual and dhrist drau appearance is that Drau had attained puberty. So she was definetly older than 12-13 amd dhrist may be same or older. Rest all are inferences, either based on magic or logic

Yes. And to be called Kumaari, she needed to be 13 at min. After puberty set in, which clearly already had, 3 years had to pass before swayamvara.

So 16 or older, depending on whatever story Vyasa/bio parents chose to feed Drupada.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

Only undisputable fact in that entire yagya and fire ritual and dhrist drau appearance is that Drau had attained puberty. So she was definetly older than 12-13 amd dhrist may be same or older. Rest all are inferences, either based on magic or logic

Right we just know she was well past her puberty. Now whether or not there was some rationale behind selection of the people adopted isn't something we can ever know,(unless ever a time machine is invented😉)

One other thing.after gurudakshina war, Drona probably left HP and moved to Ahichatra with ashwi.

There are no second generation students mentioned for Drona. He did not teach upapandavas or dury dushy sons.

He came for a job to HP. Finished the job got paid and left. Ofcourse during special occassions he was present at HP as a vassal.

Also if dhrist got any training from drona. It cannot be at HP. If it was, pandaavs or kouravas would have recognized him. Just like Karna was, inspite of a long absence learning from parshuram.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

As per the epic Drupad was their father, just as Kunti/Madri were the mother of Pandavas+Karna. So obviously there would be no other father of Dhristhdhyum/Draupadi.

As per the epic, Pandavas had two fathers, Pandu and the supposed god who did the Niyog, so they are called as the sons of Pandu as well as sons of the said god(Karna as son of Adhirath/Radha and Sun), as per the epic Draupadi and Dhristhdhyum were born from sacrificeal Firestand (Yagyavedi) so they are called Yagyaseni as it was the origin. As per the epic they had no other parent(neither biological nor adoptive nor legal), so obviously they will only be called children of Drupad.

However just as we know that the Pandavas+Karna were not the children of gods, we know that Draupadi n Dhristhdhyum couldn't be from the Yagyavedi, Pandavas and Karna had some biological father about whom we don't know because epic never says that they weren't the children of gods, similarly Draupadi n Dhristhdhyum had biological parents about whom we have no clue about since epic never admits they had one, they had simply popped out of the Vedi once.

Vyas didn't say about Ekanamsa being Draupadi(if she was the one) for the same respect he didn't tell us the. Name of biological dad.

Rest obviously this can't be said to be a 100% correct fact, it's just an assumption, basis SB n HVP. And the fact that Krishna was so close to Draupadi and Drupad before Swayamwar (so as to even give dowry for her), although he wasn't so earlier, because he never approached Panchal for support against Jarasangh

@Bold

Drupad is called “Yajnasena” and that’s why Draupadi is called “Yajnaseni”, It is not because they were born out of fire or Yagya

@Red It is the only reason for me to believe that they were Drupad’s kids but weren’t accepted by him, Remember @Chilli’s theory about Bhishma, How his father came back to him after realizing his other kids were good for nothing? Prishati (Dristadumya’s mother) says that None else should be called their mother but her, to please king Drupad Yaja agreed

I didn’t deny the adoption theory, I have said many times that I believe in adoption theory, I believe in @Chilli’a Brahmana theory too, I am ready to believe anything as long as It makes sense or it is written

I am not able to make sense of this particular theory, I am not saying it is wrong, I don’t have enough evidences to believe it

Originally posted by: Chiillii

One other thing.after gurudakshina war, Drona probably left HP and moved to Ahichatra with ashwi.

There are no second generation students mentioned for Drona. He did not teach upapandavas or dury dushy sons.

He came for a job to HP. Finished the job got paid and left. Ofcourse during special occassions he was present at HP as a vassal.

Also if dhrist got any training from drona. It cannot be at HP. If it was, pandaavs or kouravas would have recognized him. Just like Karna was, inspite of a long absence learning from parshuram.

Another reason to believe they were not biologically Drupada's. No way in hell would the Pandavas and Kauravas fail to recognize a man they knew as the Panchal prince 🤣. I mean, they were nincompoops, but even they would have as much political savvy.

Dhrishtadyumna is stated to be already trained. My feeling (after your post) is Drupada took him to Drona, intending to show he now had an heir and defense. Drona might've shown him a trick or two, earning him the title of teacher.

Originally posted by: Chiillii

One other thing.after gurudakshina war, Drona probably left HP and moved to Ahichatra with ashwi.

There are no second generation students mentioned for Drona. He did not teach upapandavas or dury dushy sons.

He came for a job to HP. Finished the job got paid and left. Ofcourse during special occassions he was present at HP as a vassal.

Also if dhrist got any training from drona. It cannot be at HP. If it was, pandaavs or kouravas would have recognized him. Just like Karna was, inspite of a long absence learning from parshuram.

Who taught Dury Dushy sons then? They seem decent warriors and would have had good teachers

Originally posted by: Chiillii

1. dhrist and drau come out of yagyavedi. Yagyavedi fire altar. The stage where the fire is lit and sacrifice made.

This yagyavedi is a sacred area where they keep the agnikund. The vessel in which fire is lit.

The things to be offered/donated are kept in the yagya vedi surrounding the agnikund.

This is a standard practice that you all must have noticed if no where else then in the Hindu traditional weddings.

Yagyavedi is today popularly known as mandap.

While.Dhrist is said to come out from rising flames. Drau is specifically mentioned as coming from the middle of the yagyavedi.

These two.kids. were sitting.on the mandap and came off it after it was over, duly sanctified and consecrated.

It was an adoption / consecration ceremony.

Honestly speaking an age gap of few years between them makes no difference in their overall appearance specially if the girl.is 13 and boy couple.of years older

It wouldnt make much differenxce to the story either if Drau is 16 or 19 at the time of marriage either.

So, It was an adoption ceremony

Do you think Drupad didn’t want people to find out that they were adopted and spread Propaganda about them being born out of fire?

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Who taught Dury Dushy sons then? They seem decent warriors and would have had good teachers

I guess kripacharya , maybe he had taught to Pandavas & kauravs 2 before Dronacharya.

Aside to think of it if Drona had relocated to Uttar Panchal with Ashwathama, then why was he at the Dyut Sabha?

DyutSabha was between Kauravas n Pandavas (infact only Yudi n Dury), no other activity was planned right?

And yet they had invited the kings of vassal states for it?? Karna, Drona(not sure if Ashwathama was there), Shakuni. I mean why Exactly? Any normal person will get suspicious at the presence of the vassal state chiefs at a family get-together and Yudhishtir still didn't realize?

After this there was no reason to believe that anyone might have had a doubt that it was just a game for fun

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

I guess kripacharya , maybe he had taught to Pandavas & kauravs 2 before Dronacharya.

Or maybe Dronacharya did have an Ashram of his in Uttar Panchal, Kaurav sons might have been sent there.

Kripacharya was a teacher but also being the Kulguru, he had issues in handling multiple responsibilities, this was one of the reasons why Dronacharya was called.

I doubt he would have found time for the next generation considering he was only getting older