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Originally posted by: naq5

well there were snide remarks here about the importance or love for arjun also from krishnas side so im getting into none of this. Snide remarks have come from both side. you can quote the person who has called panchali charity . i have not

And i dont believe that krishna panchali relationship was so special only because they had romantic inclinations for each other. It can be special irrespective of that. Platonic soulmates also exist. As others have mentioned here MB had deep relations irrespective of bond of blood or romance. It is we who in this time because of our conditioning perceive it in that way.

Don’t want to involve in a tussle but I have noticed how every time Arjuna is belittled as someone not important In the epic or not important for Krishna, when Krishna himself said this -

Tomorrow, I will act so that Arjuna, Kunti’s son, can kill Jayadratha before the sun has set. My wives, my friends, my relatives and my kin are not dearer to me than Arjuna, Kunti’s son, is. O Daruka! Bereft of Arjuna, I will not be able to look at the world even for an instant.

Therefore, it shall not be that way.35 For Arjuna’s sake, I will slay the standard-bearers of the enemy, with their horses, chariots and elephants, with Karna and Suyodhana. In the great battle tomorrow, let the three worlds witness my valour. O Daruka! For Dhananjaya’s sake, I will show my valour

I will angrily bring them down in the battle. Tomorrow, the gods, the gandharvas, the pishachas, the serpents, the rakshasas and all the worlds will know me as Savyasachi’s well-wisher. He who hates him, hates me too. He who follows him, follows me too. Use your intelligence to comprehend that Arjuna is half of my body.


I don’t think any other relationship of Krishna be it his romantic relationship with Draupadi is challenged if Arjuna is important to Krishna.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

Don’t want to involve in a tussle but I have noticed how every time Arjuna is belittled as someone not important I the epic or not important for Krishna, when Krishna himself said this -

Tomorrow, I will act so that Arjuna, Kunti’s son, can kill Jayadratha before the sun has set. My wives, my friends, my relatives and my kin are not dearer to me than Arjuna, Kunti’s son, is. O Daruka! Bereft of Arjuna, I will not be able to look at the world even for an instant.

Therefore, it shall not be that way.35 For Arjuna’s sake, I will slay the standard-bearers of the enemy, with their horses, chariots and elephants, with Karna and Suyodhana. In the great battle tomorrow, let the three worlds witness my valour. O Daruka! For Dhananjaya’s sake, I will show my valour

I will angrily bring them down in the battle. Tomorrow, the gods, the gandharvas, the pishachas, the serpents, the rakshasas and all the worlds will know me as Savyasachi’s well-wisher. He who hates him, hates me too. He who follows him, follows me too. Use your intelligence to comprehend that Arjuna is half of my body.

That is in the context of war. Not outside of it. At that point, yeah, Arjuna was the man who could win the war.

I'm not belittling the importance of Krishna's little protege to him, but the mockery was done as response to some of the comments. And yes, I used that phrase on purpose.

Let's judge by both actions and words, shall we? Krishna spoke many a pretty word for Arjuna, but push came to shove, he sided with Panchali.

Words are cheap. Shedding blood, not so much.

Originally posted by: naq5

i have a question. According to the divine angle. Who is considered as Nar during Sri Ram avatar. considering Arjun-krishna are considered Nar -Narayan during krishnas avatar

First we need to find out if Nar and Narayana happened before Ramayana or not, Nar and Narayan were twins and both were Avatar of Vishnu, I haven’t read much about them but they were Brahmans

Originally posted by: NoraSM

First we need to find out if Nar and Narayana happened before Ramayana or not, Nar and Narayan were twins and both were Avatar of Vishnu, I haven’t read much about them but they were Brahmans

Nar, Narayan are mentioned in Samudra Manthan. Before Ramayan

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

That is in the context of war. Not outside of it. At that point, yeah, Arjuna was the man who could win the war.

I'm not belittling the importance of Krishna's little protege to him, but the mockery was done as response to some of the comments. And yes, I used that phrase on purpose.

Let's judge by both actions and words, shall we? Krishna spoke many a pretty word for Arjuna, but push came to shove, he sided with Panchali.

Words are cheap. Shedding blood, not so much.

But Arjuna wasn’t important enough to win the war, anyone could have done it, at least that’s what I have been reading here

As I said I don’t wish to involve myself in a tussle, Mahabharata is there for people to read and frame their opinion about it

Well after listening about Rukmini krishna decide To marry her , asked rukmi 4 her before she approached him but rukmi insulted him later when Rukmini approched him , he made up his mind to get her , d letter which he sent in response to Rukmini's letter tells a different story that how much one sided love it was from Rukmini , how much saving is from shisupal .

Shisupal is termed as jay who born as raavan in previous birth , it further clears d equation b/w krishna, Rukmini & shisupal. What connection 3 three actually had .

Well be Vishnu puran , be it bhagwat or Vishnu parv in harivansham all where Rukmini termed as mahalakshmi.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

But Arjuna wasn’t important enough to win the war, anyone could have done it, at least that’s what I have been reading here

As I said I don’t wish to involve myself in a tussle, Mahabharata is there for people to read and frame their opinion about it

Arjuna wasn't important in Krishna or Vyasa's plan until Kurukshetra war. I've been pretty clear on that and cannot answer for anyone else 😆. Edited to add: in dice hall he was extremely important.

I actually like the character. It's incredibly idiotic of me to malign a character I like because someone said something about another character I like. At least I'm self-aware.😆 Yeah, mockery of 2 characters gets me every time - Vyasa and Panchali.

In brc mahabharat

During Rukmini haran rukmi says to krishna - tum Rukmini ka apharan nhi kar sakte

In reply he said - apharan to maine kar liya hai🤣🤣 my god nitish rock that scene

Originally posted by: NoraSM

But Arjuna wasn’t important enough to win the war, anyone could have done it, at least that’s what I have been reading here

As I said I don’t wish to involve myself in a tussle, Mahabharata is there for people to read and frame their opinion about it

Who said that nora??

If you are talking about my conversation with chilli in the first few pages. Then we were not talking about war we were talking about krishna s motive and how Arjuna s fit in the plan which i don't think he does as he Didn't had any role in drona s killing which is what chilli said krishna wanted arjuna for so that he can win also win panchal s alliance for his higher motive. I don't think there is anything in text that suggest that krishna and drishtdyum wouldn't have been able to defeat drona on their own without arjuna. Krishna was an able warrior drishtdyum was drona s student . In the war it was krishna s plan excuted by yudhishtra bheem and drishtdyum that led to drona s demise. Arjuna didn't had any role in that .plus drona didn't want to kill drona he didn't wanted to kill him even after drona not doing anything to save him his brothers his wife in that dice game so i don't think any reason for him to against drona before it Also He didn't had any such role to in jarasandh vadh either.

Arjuna was nice decent chap. He had a huge role to play in the dice game. He spoken up when kt mattered . And he important to win the was He was important it just that he does not fits in the theory that we were discussing yesterday.

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

If we remove divinity how will krishna taking virat swaroop can be justified ?

If you remove divinity then that definitely didn't happen.

Not many saw that roop either. It could be a propoganda