Inconsistencies in Mahabharata - Page 2

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

If he heard Panchali from where he was, how could it be a non-divine interp? Also, the text doesn't say Krishna saved Panchali, in KMG or CE. I don't know where that interp came from from. KMG says Panchali's own dharma (small d) saved her. Southern recension says the women did, and my money is on Subhadra since she and Kunti and Karenumati were clearly with them as seen later. Or perhaps Kunti as she later calls Karna a wretch who wanted to eat her children; she might've seen first hand what her firstborn was like.

ETA. KMG says Dharma. So could be Vidura also as Vyasa later says Vidura is Dharma.

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Completely agree with you reg this scenario if Krishna was not god and he didn’t intervene to save D..

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

If he heard Panchali from where he was, how could it be a non-divine interp? Also, the text doesn't say Krishna saved Panchali, in KMG or CE. I don't know where that interp came from from. KMG says Panchali's own dharma (small d) saved her. Southern recension says the women did, and my money is on Subhadra since she and Kunti and Karenumati were clearly with them as seen later. Or perhaps Kunti as she later calls Karna a wretch who wanted to eat her children; she might've seen first hand what her firstborn was like.

ETA. KMG says Dharma. So could be Vidura also as Vyasa later says Vidura is Dharma.

what is the purpose or meaning of (small d) here

Originally posted by: naq5

what is the purpose or meaning of (small d) here

Grammar. Upper case D means it was someone's name. Since Vyasa calls Vidur Dharma, I assume it was him.

Lower case d would mean righteousness saved her.

Originally posted by: naq5

what is the purpose or meaning of (small d) here

I guess the capital D wala Dharma means either Vidur or Yama deva both of whom are called Dharma at various points.

Her own "dharma" saved her....maybe interpretation could be of dharma=law here (because dharma has varied meanings including duty, religion, righteousness etc).

Maybe Draupadi had asked a valid question & ultimately after much debate & much ashleelta by Chandal Chaukad, everyone was so horrified that her questions related to "dharma" were considered valid.

So one question is for the alternative theory of women (Subhadra/Kunti/Gandhari) saving her: if the women were the saviours, why wait till the end? Asking more for Gandhari & Kunti (Subhadra was powerless being the wife of Arjuna, a kul vadhu). Gandhari especially...she could certainly have stopped/ordered her son.

Even in the BRC show, Gandhari enters at the very end, when everything has already happened. 🤢

Originally posted by: Eloquent

I guess the capital D wala Dharma means either Vidur or Yama deva both of whom are called Dharma at various points.

Her own "dharma" saved her....maybe interpretation could be of dharma=law here (because dharma has varied meanings including duty, religion, righteousness etc).

Maybe Draupadi had asked a valid question & ultimately after much debate & much ashleelta by Chandal Chaukad, everyone was so horrified that her questions related to "dharma" were considered valid.

So one question is for the alternative theory of women (Subhadra/Kunti/Gandhari) saving her: if the women were the saviours, why wait till the end? Asking more for Gandhari & Kunti (Subhadra was powerless being the wife of Arjuna, a kul vadhu). Gandhari especially...she could certainly have stopped/ordered her son.

Even in the BRC show, Gandhari enters at the very end, when everything has already happened. 🤢

There is a part of the epic shows never show, Krishna's response to Gandhari after she curses him. It should answer your question.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m11/m11025.htm

The holy one said, ‘Arise, arise, O Gandhari, do not set thy heart on grief! Through thy fault, this vast carnage has taken place! Thy son Duryodhana was wicked-souled, envious, and exceedingly arrogant. Applauding his wicked acts, thou regardest them to be good. Exceedingly cruel, he was the embodiment of hostilities, and disobedient to the injunctions of the old. Why dost thou wish to ascribe thy own faults to me?

Reading Bibek Debroy's English translation of the critical edition of MBH.

Just started with Adi parva. The text says:

"Through the wise counsel of Krishna and the prowess of Bhima and Arjuna, Yudhisthira killed Jarasandha and the swollen head king of Chedi."

Though I understand all conquests ultimately goes to the King, it still seems unfair to attribute Yudhisthira as the slayer of Jarasandha & Shishupal.

Inconsistent.

I get now what Arjuna means when he has that argument with Yudhisthira in Karna parva. 🥱

Again Duryodhana's insult in Indraprastha is attributed to Bhima alone, in the Adi parva.

Originally posted by: Eloquent

Reading Bibek Debroy's English translation of the critical edition of MBH.

Just started with Adi parva. The text says:

"Through the wise counsel of Krishna and the prowess of Bhima and Arjuna, Yudhisthira killed Jarasandha and the swollen head king of Chedi."

Though I understand all conquests ultimately goes to the King, it still seems unfair to attribute Yudhisthira as the slayer of Jarasandha & Shishupal.

Inconsistent.

I get now what Arjuna means when he has that argument with Yudhisthira in Karna parva. 🥱

Again Duryodhana's insult in Indraprastha is attributed to Bhima alone, in the Adi parva.

Jarasangh was still ok, he was killed during Yagya by a member of Yudhishtir army, Shishupal was to killed by Krishna during celebration why that is attributed to Yudhishtir

Which argument of Arjun are you saying

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Jarasangh was still ok, he was killed during Yagya by a member of Yudhishtir army, Shishupal was to killed by Krishna during celebration why that is attributed to Yudhishtir

Which argument of Arjun are you saying

@question - How can you berate me sitting on Draupadi's bed?! 🤪