Who do you think is main villian of Mahabharat - Page 16

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

Shikhandi doesn't have much to his credit except those stray attacks. Both Bhishma and Arjuna fought against each other with full force. It was their battle.

Then Bhishma decided to withdraw after his bows were cut down and the celestials supported his decision.

I do think however on that particular day he didn't fight Shikhandi. Maybe on other days he did, accepted. I am not saying it was unfair, but in a way Shikhandi did play a part in his elimination.

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

If we remove divinity, we will have to remove more than half of the things.

He did not target Shikhandi. There are numerous instances of Shikhandi being ignored by him.

Shameful death in Kurukshetra? What even is that? There was nothing shameful in getting defeated in Kurukshetra...that too by someone like Arjuna. Bhishma himself told Duhshasana that the arrows piercing his vitals belong to Arjuna and sang the latter's praises.

That theory of a reincarnation saga being cooked isn't convincing. It's ludicrous.

He had targeted Shikhandi on the seventh day and had thrown him away. Someone shared the text on the other day. It can not be that suddenly in three days he started taking him as female/Amba reincarnation.

No there was nothing shameful in dying in Kurukshetra, but among a mention that he easily lost to Arjun and a mention that he lost to Arjun because the latter had a shield of Shikhandi to whom Bheeshm wouldn't attack the latter was definitely more respectable

Originally posted by: CaptainSpark

Reincarnation is not a completely divine concept. It is based on the law of karma - you face consequences of your actions if not in your present birth then in the next birth.

Also the concept of the soul never dies. These ade not completely divine hogwash IMO such as Yudhi bringing dead people to life or Surya dev protecting a child in the river or a curse coming true and having intercourse leading to death, or Krishna hiding the sun for Arjun's pran.

These and that Pandavs were demigods is what I think is hogwash.

But the concept of the soul's eternal existence or reincarnation is also a part of philosophy and metaphysics. I also read somewhere that there is scientific evidence too of it.

There is no scientific evidence till date for soul or its reincarnation, but even if for some time we take it to be true, the fact that someone remembers his/her past birth and/or others recognise them during rebirth isn't possible without divinity

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

He had targeted Shikhandi on the seventh day and had thrown him away. Someone shared the text on the other day. It can not be that suddenly in three days he started taking him as female/Amba reincarnation.

No there was nothing shameful in dying in Kurukshetra, but among a mention that he easily lost to Arjun and a mention that he lost to Arjun because the latter had a shield of Shikhandi to whom Bheeshm wouldn't attack the latter was definitely more respectable

Regarding the easy loss, there wasn't an ego issue given his regard for Arjuna.

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

Before the battle began, he told Duryodhana he wouldn't fight Shikhandi.

Regarding the easy loss, there wasn't an ego issue given his regard for Arjuna.

So why did he attack Shikhandi on day 7

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

Citation please.

Originally posted by: NoraSM

One interesting thing I found, turns out Bheeshma did attack Shikhandi on day 7 -

'King Yudhishthira then, beholding Sikhandin flying away, having had his weapon cut off by Santanu's son became filled with anger. The high-souled Ajatasatru, angrily addressing Sikhandin in that battle, said these words, 'Thou saidst at that time, in the presence of thy sire, unto me--Even I shall slay Bhishma of high vows with my shafts of the hue of the effulgent sun.

This was shared on another thread.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m06/m06086.htm

Desist, therefore, O Bhargava! That foremost of the Pandavas, Arjuna, the mighty son of Indra, hath been ordained by the Self-create to be the slayer of Bhishma!'

^ Parashurama's ancestors said this to him.

Shikhandi was a forced insertion against destiny. No wonder he was largely ineffective. 🥱