Was the Mahabharata real? - Page 3

Dwarka excavation was abandoned by idiots. Maybe they realized its actual history has the power to change the world history.

This ideological war and slavery has damaged the quest that seeks to find proofs and validate claims.

I hope GOI resumes the work. If it shakes the world, let it be.

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

Mahabharata has always been deemed a text on Dharma and Itihaasa.

Political leanings of the historians led to scepticism and rude disregard.

While a considerable portion of the epic is definitely an exaggeration due to the fact that the epic evolved with times, the core portion did take place.

The discovery of Dwarka is one major evidence.

Several references from the Mahabharata, the Bhagvata Purana and the Vishnu Purana have been used to suggest the city's exact location.

The remains of what has been described as a huge lost city, found by researchers not long ago, may force historians and archaeologists to radically reconsider their view of ancient human history.

Around 1500 BC the whole western coast of India mysteriously disappeared along with Dwarka - the great city of gold. The deluge came and the submergence took place immediately after Sri Krishna departed from the world.

This catastrophic event is confirmed by the sacred texts of the Vishnu Purana stating that "on the same day that Krishna departed from the earth the powerful dark-bodied Kali Age descended. The ocean rose and submerged the whole of Dwarka."

The Age of Kali thus ushered in turns out to be none other than the present epoch of the earth - our own. According to the Hindu sages it began just over 5000 years ago at a date in the Indian calendar corresponding to 3102 BC.

The Age of Kali thus ushered in turns out to be none other than the present epoch of the earth - our own. According to the Hindu sages it began just over 5000 years ago at a date in the Indian calendar corresponding to 3102 BC.

Also in the Mahabharata, there is a specific account given by Krishna’s main disciple Arjuna about the submerging of Dwaraka, by the sea which reads as follows:

"The sea, which has been beating against the shores, suddenly broke the boundary that was imposed on it by nature. It rushed into the city, coursing through the beautiful city streets, and covered up everything in the city. I saw the beautiful buildings becoming submerged on by one. In a matter of a few moments, it was all over. The sea had now become as placid as a lake. There was no trace of the city. Dwaraka was just a name; just a memory..." -

For more than 5,000 years Dwaraka was treated only like a myth, handed over from one generation to another.

http://www.ancientpages.com/2014/08/19/dwarka-pre-harappan-city-that-could-rewrite-the-history-of-the-world/

"However, sceptics insist that Mahabharat is nothing more than a figment of someone’s imagination. All the sites associated with the mythological epic continue to have the same nomenclature even till this day.”

BB Lal

Can't really compare it to either HP or GOT because it has shaped the Indian cultural ethos and thrived despite its existence going back to thousands of years. Mahabharata has everything you witness in the real world. 😁

Brilliant post, Shruti👏

@red - exactly! Historians are people too and they have their biases and political leanings.

@green - Fact!

@purple - And the remains are around 4500-5000 years old (correct me if I am wrong, Shruti) which is way older than the date of MB suggested by some historians, 950 bce.

@blue - when I read this in some post here I was like 'Really?! HP, GoT and MB? I mean even as a piece of literature?" but didn't reply because I don't have the knowledge that your post shares.

Majority of the Indians still need Western approval and it is heart breaking.

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

Dwarka excavation was abandoned by idiots. Maybe they realized its actual history has the power to change the world history.

This ideological war and slavery has damaged the quest that seeks to find proofs and validate claims.

I hope GOI resumes the work. If it shakes the world, let it be.

Word!

@bold - This! The root of piled up animosity.

We must resume the work and excavations now. Many things are buried but the truth must come out.

The problem is that people who don't really know become so confident and rigid in opinions. I mean is it so difficult to say ''I don't know and I'll find out"? I have seen in my experience that people who are not very literate are more flexible and open.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

Speaking of this I read one story that Luv the son of Ram had his empire spread till middle East.

As the time progressed he started being considered God and people there worshipped Lah(deformation of the word Luv)

This was what then eventually became AlLah (Al means The in Arabic)

And this isn't by some Hindu leader but by some from middle East who have knowledge of Arabic

I have read some years ago that Lahore is derived from Lah (Lahv, Lord Ram's son).

Just because the names of a city is true doesn't make a story true

I know that a big area of Tamil Nadu coast submerged around 50 years back. I could very well write a story about it mentioning the details of the story mentioning the names of major kingdoms and places

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

Dwarka excavation was abandoned by idiots. Maybe they realized its actual history has the power to change the world history.

This ideological war and slavery has damaged the quest that seeks to find proofs and validate claims.

I hope GOI resumes the work. If it shakes the world, let it be.

So why isn't the BJP government continuing it? They are supposed Hindu party

Just because the name of a city is true doesn't make a story true and rightly so! But it doesn't make it false either! But the possibility, just a possibility and nothing much, of it being true increase when some affiliation, like a similar name, is found.

People become so defensive when they don't really know. 😆Just say, "I don't know." But may be it is difficult. That is why we have research which is a pretty juvenile discipline and a lot more, and I mean a lot more, needs to be unearthed.

Originally posted by: sonnet11

I have read some years ago that Lahore is derived from Lah (Lahv, Lord Ram's son).

Lahore definitely finds its origin from Luvh. Even if Luv was a legendary king there are many places named after God's like we have Rampur Ramgarh, Karnapur(Kanpur now,) Pakistan was very much Hindu 200 years back

The architect of Lahore city was a Hindu Sir Ganga Ram.

But this Arabic Allah getting its name from Luvh seemed impossible to me

But then Ramallah is the capital of Palatine so Ram doesn't seem alien to middle East either

Originally posted by: sonnet11

Imagine 1000 years forward from today. People would start doubting the existence of Mohammad. Even now, some rational people have begun to doubt the existence of Christ. Even if these people existed, I am 100percent sure that their ideas were twisted by the ruling elite and priests/maulvis to suit their power.

I personally believe it doesn't matter today whether they existed or not but to live life with rationale and read about those ideas and apply one's brain. For instance, what do I learn from MB or BG or Upanishads or Bible or Quran or any other religious text. My mind and soul resonated with BG and Taoism and I use them as a guide to solve some dilemmas. I think this should matter to us.

Only archaeologists can unearth the truth of their existence by persistent excavations and it is not an easy task.

My opinion is that MB happened but not in the exact way we know it today and also not at such a large scale as it is shown. But, can I be 100 percent sure of my opinion? No.

It's definitely very hard for me to believe that all of this is just a story. Yes, much of it especially the divine interventions I believe is a story and fictionalized later.

But these dynasties did exist and so did the rulers. I have also read that there is much evidence of the war taking place.

Another interesting claim: Remember the solar eclipse when Jayadrath was killed by Arjun? Dates and studies suggest that the solar eclipse did actually take place on that day or time. I am not very sure of this but I read this somewhere.

Originally posted by: sonnet11

Just because the name of a city is true doesn't make a story true and rightly so! But it doesn't make it false either! But the possibility, just a possibility and nothing much, of it being true increase when some affiliation, like a similar name, is found.

People become so defensive when they don't really know. 😆Just say, "I don't know." But may be it is difficult. That is why we have research which is a pretty juvenile discipline and a lot more, and I mean a lot more, needs to be unearthed.

I am pretty clear that I don't know about it. mainly because no other civilization mentions such a huge war.

Although westerns do believe it to be an historic even but on a much smaller scale like maybe a war between 2 sets of cousins not like anything which engulfed the entire country or earth

They date if around 931 BC (will check again on this) and confirm because as per astronomy there was a huge solar eclipse that year which lasted for around an hour. This is what they correspond to sunset and then rise immediately during the Jaidrath vadh