Kunti and karna - Page 4

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That's a stupid argument and afterthought I think

When we are clear that the Kaneen sons of wife do not have the right to inherit the property of husband for his mother, then definitely Karna was not a contender to the throne. He could have been the 150th one probably after all Pandavas, all Kauravs, Abhimanyu, Parikshit and other first second generation kids (if at all).

Yudhishtir being the Dharmaraj this revelation should not have made any difference. It's just as assuming that Yuyutsu being the elder brother of Kauravas joined Yudhishtir hence Duryodhan will stop the war.

Yudhishtira did threaten multiple times to quit, dharma raj or not.

1. In the beginning of vana parva when Panchali and Bheema were urging justice. Vyasa finally had to tell Yudhishtira to prepare for war.

2. In Virat, when Panchali goes to Bheema, she was manipulating with grief, not seduction in the scene. She says with Yudhishtira as husband, she would forever face misery. Bheema says Yudhishtira would kill himself if he heard. Presumably, Bheema as brother knew Yudhishtira wnough to know it as truth.

3. When Arjuna does say something to Yudhishtira during war, he again threatens to quit war and kill himself.

4. After Kunti divulges the secret of Karna's birth, he does threaten to quit. This is where Panchali and Bheema openly call him names. Vyasa once again had to come in and tell Yudhishtira to give alms for forgiveness so he would stay on as king.

5. Yudhishtira went to Bheeshma to ask about rules of inheritance most likely to make sure throne wouldn't have passed to Karna. So Yudhishtira didn't know Karna couldn't inherit.

Dharma raj had a pattern of self indulgence at the expense of his wife, his family, his citizens, and yes, dharma.

Originally posted by: FlauntPessimism

That's a stupid argument and afterthought I think

When we are clear that the Kaneen sons of wife do not have the right to inherit the property of husband for his mother, then definitely Karna was not a contender to the throne. He could have been the 150th one probably after all Pandavas, all Kauravs, Abhimanyu, Parikshit and other first second generation kids (if at all).

Yudhishtir being the Dharmaraj this revelation should not have made any difference. It's just as assuming that Yuyutsu being the elder brother of Kauravas joined Yudhishtir hence Duryodhan will stop the war.

The throne wouldn't have gone to Karna. But that wouldn't have stopped Yudhisthira from abandoning it.

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

Given his character, Yudhisthira would have gone against all rules and backed out from the war. His reaction post the revelation supports the claim.

The throne wouldn't have gone to Karna. But that wouldn't have stopped Yudhisthira from abandoning it.

Should have abonded it then post revelation they could have crowned bheem instead 😆

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Should have abonded it then post revelation they could have crowned bheem instead 😆

He did threaten to, which would've prob left Dhritharashtra as king. Vyasa talked Yudhishtira out of it.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

He did threaten to, which would've prob left Dhritharashtra as king. Vyasa talked Yudhishtira out of it.

Why dhrirashtra though ? Pandavas won the war they could have crowned bheem i so would have loved such an ending 😆

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Why dhrirashtra though ? Pandavas won the war they could have crowned bheem i so would have loved such an ending 😆

Originally posted by: Wistfulness

Yudhisthira would have retired to a forest to do penance. 😆

Yeah panchali and bheem would have rocked as rulers while yudhishtra does hos penance with his beloved uncle dhrirashtra 😆

I admire Kunti, she was a very flawed and complex character and did not have a very happy life. She was given away as adoption at a very young age.

At 16 to be a mother outside of marriage is debatable, but she did ask the Sun god to protect him as she could not, he also had kavach and kundal to protect him.

The person she married preferred her co wife, she had to do niyogi for her husband as he was obsessed of having kids.

Being a single widow bringing up 5 kids is not easy, especially where there were always rumours about who the 5 father's were. She ensured her son were made to be a part of the throne. She ensured that her 5 sons were treated equally she was never biased about the twins and loved them as equally to her other sons

The Pandavas were united and together because of her, she ensured that they were always each other's strength and had so much unity that even a woman's beauty would not be a hindrance to it.

Case in point Draupadi.

She also made sure that during the wax palace she and her kids were safe but the 6 servants were killed to give them time to escape.

Once Draupadi and Krishna came into the picture, she took a back seat and made sure that the running of the palace was by her daughter in law ,she was an awesome example of a mother in law.

She stayed back in Hastinapur , not in the palace but at Vidur's place to make sure nobody in Hastinapur forgot about her sons or about Draupadi.

She went to Karna not as a biological mother to him but as a mother of the Pandavas. She knew that Bheeshma and Drona would not harm her kids. The Pandavas could defeat everyone else but Karna. It was a gamble if Karna accepted the Pandavas, she would just gain a son and not lose much but even if Karna did not change sides, he would be emotionally crippled that he would not be able to fight her sons. Was it wrong to Karna, absolutely , did it help the Pandavas, yes so she again ensured the safety of her sons. She went to Karna as she saw him as a threat and as he was close to Duryodhana she had assumed him to be of a worst character and felt no remorse in asking him.

What she did not expect was Karna's response or him rejecting all of her offers and even ensuring her sons safety, she who felt that he was on the point of no return saw a very different side to him and that is when she probably realized that in ensuring her 5 sons safety and inheritance she had wronged her eldest son

After the war, she had lost all her grandchildren and except the 5 sons no one else were alive. In the rites time her guilt finally got the better of her so that atleast Karna would have the rites from his brothers.

She also goes with Gandhari and Dhritarashtra as she only wanted her children's rites and was also a form of repentance for the wax palace murders and Karna.

It is really ironic that of all her sons Karna was the most like her, both were adopted, shrewd, ambitious, manipulative and ruthless. The Pandavas in the beginning would have never survived without her. However Karna who was adopted by a suta caste still became a king and ruled over a kingdom and was one of the closest friends of a prince and in fact was involved in a lot of its poltics of the kingdom.

I don't think if it was any of the other Pandavas who were adopted would have risen to become a king . Most likely they would have led peaceful lives in where they were not that it is a bad thing

Both had deep secrets and never actually trusted anyone and nobody knew what were in their minds. However in the end both got closure and accepted their deaths peacefully.

Yes she had quite a few opportunities to confess about Karna especially after Yudhishthir had become king of Indraprastha and maybe then the dyut sabha and war also could have been avoided. Maybe there would not have been too much of a brotherly affection between Karna and the Pandavas however they would have been neutral but Duryodhana would not have gone for war either.

One never knows.

Originally posted by: cts22

I admire Kunti, she was a very flawed and complex character and did not have a very happy life. She was given away as adoption at a very young age.

At 16 to be a mother outside of marriage is debatable, but she did ask the Sun god to protect him as she could not, he also had kavach and kundal to protect him.

The person she married preferred her co wife, she had to do niyogi for her husband as he was obsessed of having kids.

Being a single widow bringing up 5 kids is not easy, especially where there were always rumours about who the 5 father's were. She ensured her son were made to be a part of the throne. She ensured that her 5 sons were treated equally she was never biased about the twins and loved them as equally to her other sons

The Pandavas were united and together because of her, she ensured that they were always each other's strength and had so much unity that even a woman's beauty would not be a hindrance to it.

Case in point Draupadi.

She also made sure that during the wax palace she and her kids were safe but the 6 servants were killed to give them time to escape.

Once Draupadi and Krishna came into the picture, she took a back seat and made sure that the running of the palace was by her daughter in law ,she was an awesome example of a mother in law.

She stayed back in Hastinapur , not in the palace but at Vidur's place to make sure nobody in Hastinapur forgot about her sons or about Draupadi.

She went to Karna not as a biological mother to him but as a mother of the Pandavas. She knew that Bheeshma and Drona would not harm her kids. The Pandavas could defeat everyone else but Karna. It was a gamble if Karna accepted the Pandavas, she would just gain a son and not lose much but even if Karna did not change sides, he would be emotionally crippled that he would not be able to fight her sons. Was it wrong to Karna, absolutely , did it help the Pandavas, yes so she again ensured the safety of her sons. She went to Karna as she saw him as a threat and as he was close to Duryodhana she had assumed him to be of a worst character and felt no remorse in asking him.

What she did not expect was Karna's response or him rejecting all of her offers and even ensuring her sons safety, she who felt that he was on the point of no return saw a very different side to him and that is when she probably realized that in ensuring her 5 sons safety and inheritance she had wronged her eldest son

After the war, she had lost all her grandchildren and except the 5 sons no one else were alive. In the rites time her guilt finally got the better of her so that atleast Karna would have the rites from his brothers.

She also goes with Gandhari and Dhritarashtra as she only wanted her children's rites and was also a form of repentance for the wax palace murders and Karna.

It is really ironic that of all her sons Karna was the most like her, both were adopted, shrewd, ambitious, manipulative and ruthless. The Pandavas in the beginning would have never survived without her. However Karna who was adopted by a suta caste still became a king and ruled over a kingdom and was one of the closest friends of a prince and in fact was involved in a lot of its poltics of the kingdom.

I don't think if it was any of the other Pandavas who were adopted would have risen to become a king . Most likely they would have led peaceful lives in where they were not that it is a bad thing

Both had deep secrets and never actually trusted anyone and nobody knew what were in their minds. However in the end both got closure and accepted their deaths peacefully.

Yes she had quite a few opportunities to confess about Karna especially after Yudhishthir had become king of Indraprastha and maybe then the dyut sabha and war also could have been avoided. Maybe there would not have been too much of a brotherly affection between Karna and the Pandavas however they would have been neutral but Duryodhana would not have gone for war either.

One never knows.

Best post in the thread

She was main reason to pandav unity

I feel karna wouldn't have gone the wrong way if kunti would have told him truth before dyit sabha

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

Yeah panchali and bheem would have rocked as rulers while yudhishtra does hos penance with his beloved uncle dhrirashtra 😆

When Yudhisthir lost the game of dice, only he was exiled to the forest, not his brothers. They couldn't have gone to Indraprastha, but they could have gone anywhere else - Dwarka, Chedi, Kashi, Magadha, Panchala... Yet they chose to go into exile w/ him.

Do you seriously think that had Yudi decided to go to the forest w/ Dhritarashtra, that Bhima and Draupadi would have accepted the throne?