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Posted: 5 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: SheThought


All characters are flawed - just like how it is in real life.

Some way more than others.


Now it is fair to expect the two characters to be judged on the same scale, it is unfair to expect others to find flaws in the positive character by any possible means just so that it wipes out the other's negative points and make the two equal.


They say elephant in the room is hard to miss but heavy to lift

A lot of contrived logic and mental gymnastics are required to justify the negative/grey character and bring it to positive light. And it requires that plus a high degree of creativity to find non-existent flaws in everything that the positive character does or does not do so that it justifies the grey character.


So while the FL has flaws and contrary to what some may believe, she does get called out when she does something stupid, it is unfair to expect people to be that creative and invent flaws in her.


Yes, the leads are flawed and no one is denying that. But that doesn't mean we negate everything that the leads do or do not do so that their flaws become equal with that of the other character.


And while we are on the subject, want make it clear since I read this far too many times - not appreciating/liking the negative/grey character has got NOTHING to do with not liking anyone who doesn't worship the grounds the FL walks on - we are not that unintelligent or devoid of logic.

But it has everything to do with the way the other character bullies and abuses the FL and gets away with it every single time because no one holds her accountable! Now the FL enables it by not disclosing it to the family and that can be considered her flaw, but not wanting to put up with it anymore cannot be considered her flaw. It's her wish! #HerLifeHerRules

pali... take a bow dear...u explained well... we always accepted flaws and never supported our fav blindly nor gave a clean chit... our fav are accountable to their actions and thats the reason we love them... #herlifeherrules and as FL of the show win be on her side only...
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Posted: 5 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: aquaHP

I had decided that I wasn't going to get into the war-zone situation because I've done it enough times now to know that it ends in only way and that is your mood getting spoilt.

I am sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings with the following lines but I have to say that this is so funny 😂😂😂.

You quoted such a big post and selected one paragraph out of the whole thing and said you agree with that part. Bhaisahab! Guts chahiye ye karne ke liye! Mujhse na ho paata! (Aag lagaane ke liye sorry🙈. I'mma run far!)

But now since someone has said it before me so I have to say that is the only part I agree with too. The post makes it sound like Abir sees Kuhu as some kid and maybe that was the intention with how things progressed from the Abir-Parul conversation but that is so not how he sees Kuhu. He has known Kuhu for a year now and it is not right to assume that this one incident would cancel out a year's worth of time spent knowing her. I got reminded of this yesterday with a post on the KuKu AT (quoted below).


abir til now dont know how much kuhu has done to both mishbir... abir ke saat alag equation and mishti ke saat alag... so i dont blame abir... even i honour kuhu the way she handled her marriage and abir said handle kuhu RJV but if mishti is there in the house then he would have choosen mishti over kuhu and asked mishti to take care of them...


yes kuhu handled abir b'day well but she out of her insecurity or jealousy never wanted abir to meet mishti leaving her party if u see the epi u can understand it... kuhu ke liye abir important nahi hain... na hi uski kushi... she just want her party not be ruined if abir goes to meet mishti because kunal dont like mishti...


i said many times... both mishku are responsible for their equation between them and yes mishti is not maahan to listen to kuhu always... she gives it back to kuhu when she feels she cant take it any more.... kuhu ka inscurity, jealosy ,flipping nature is understood by everyone but the way she gone overboard with words and actions will never be understood by anyone esply after what she did in mishbir with out any guilt and next day bitching about mishti infront of abir...

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Posted: 5 years ago
#33

Originally posted by: beguiling


But Kuhu's actions were called out. By Mishti herself. And Abir later addressed the whole thing in his own way. Kuhu admitted to Abir she got scared and apologized to him and Parul as well.


If Mishti still doesn't want to let the matter go because she wants the whole family to learn the truth then am not really getting the logic here for wanting so. It only conveys that Mishti wants to see Kuhu getting berated coz that would in some ways satisfy her ego or make her feel superior.


I liked how Abir was understanding towards Kuhu. He handled the situation well without letting it slip out of hands but he was being a tad too impatient in not hearing out what Mishti had to say. It would be good if they have a conversation like the one they had post their first fight after marriage..and I sure hope Abir would patiently make Mishti understand that why is he adopting such a approach. I dislike how Mishti was adamant about seeing Kuhu getting punished but everyone deserves to get their feelings acknowledged/addressed instead of constantly seeing the one person they are counting on the most to act as being dismissive. For all the tall promises made Abir can atleast listen to his wife even if he doesn't agree with her.


Kuhu spiked Mishti's drink which Abir drank and was seriously ill, Kuhu didn't stop anyone from drinking it not even her husband Kunal, she didn't drink it thinking about those pills, that tells the level of selfishness and malice in her character.


Next she worries if Meenu drank it, she said Nidhi drinking is better than Meenu because Nidhi's life doesn't matter to her, after getting to know Abir's condition she says Mishti should have had it, again Mishti's life doesn't matter to her, when Meenu asked her she started badmouthing Mishti saying Mishti can't survive in a joint family, she didn't say anything when Mishti and Abir were asked if they consumed alcohol, here Mishti took the blame of alcohol on herself, a clear difference between these two characters, one does not stop her husband from drinking coffee and one can do anything for him.

When Kunal asked about it from Kuhu didn't she lie to him? If it's as small as you are trying to say then what's wrong in telling the truth? Why hide something as small as this?


Abir handled Kuhu in his own way but did it work? Didn't Kuhu thrash Mishbir's photoframes? When Abir asked Mishti to keep it to her, did she tell Kunal? No, did she bring this matter again before Kuhu broke her photoframes? No


Mishti is not petty, she doesn't want to look superior, SHE IS million times better than Kuhu, you don't report crimes because you want to look superior, it is done to stop crimes, Mishti wants everyone to know because clearly Abir couldn't stop Kuhu from breaking those photoframes. Not only did she break those photoframes, she threatened Mishti of consequences if she doesn't leave this home

Mishti did not go to Kuhu, Kuhu came to her, Abir knows only one part of it, he doesn't know about everything this person has done to Mishti, she is not like Kunal


One can let go of millions of things but there's a point when they break and don't want to take crap from people like Kuhu, Kuhu thinks she can do anything and get away with it because either Mishti will shut up or Abir will shut her up, but this time Mishti has had enough of her and she is finally reacting to stop Kuhu's matter once and for all

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Posted: 5 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: dramacrazy12


@BOLD: I completely agree with it. I don't think anyone is at fault, everyone is within their element but all the anger and conflict is a function of mismatched expectation, priorities, goals and timing.


Mishti does not want much. She just wants to be heard for the first time in her life even if her thoughts are less than mahaan. She is also hoping to be reassured that she is not a home breaker and there are others who are just as responsible for conflicts. In Mah house she always had to pick reaction expected out of her - be ideal daughter, do the right thing while keeping her frustrations and tears bottled up and forgive others. Mishti normally reacted by being passive aggressive, saying the right thing with a slight infliction of sarcasm. I don't think she she wants to show Kuhu down or it is an ego issue. She is troubled by the fact that her own sister wants her out of RJV house. Her sister continues to do stupid, hurtful, at times life threatening impulsive things trying to prove her superiority or get a reaction from her. Mishti is completely taken aback by how Kuhu's impulsiveness gets forgiven while she seems to be still held to some lofty ideal standards of behavior. When Kuhu broke frames, Mishti was shocked by the accusations that Kuhu hurled at her as Mishti herself did not know what Kunal was going to do. To top it off Kuhu broke frames of her precious memories. She was hurt and she complained to Abir. She expected Abir to hear her out, console her and accept that Kuhu made a mistake. He could have then assured Mishti to let it go in light of current drama but it was bad timing. Abir had just returned after a major tiff with Meenu and was drained. He was probably worried about his mother's reactions and Parul and was looking for Mishti's help/advice. Instead he gets a tearful wife who complains about broken frames and wants him to do something about Kuhu. That is last thing on his mind so he reacts badly which comes across as if he cares more about Kuhu than Mishti. He later decided to sleep outside to cool down which hurts Mishti even more. In someways he is doing the same thing he does when he is in conflict with Meenu- say rude things and walk away but Mishti is not Meenu.


Abir's goal is to maintain peace at home while ensuring that everyone gets their fair rights. He has stirred hornet's nest by encouraging Kunal to accept Parul. Suddenly everyone is Meenu's target. He is looking for Mishti's support and understanding but Mishti is stuck in her sisterly fight with Kuhu though in all fairness none of it is her fault or initiated by her. She also suddenly seems completely oblivious to Meenu's manipulation or her husband's challenge/feelings. It is interesting to me when Meenu pulled off the nautanki to act like Parul, everyone was busy manaofying her but Abir stood back looking disgusted by the whole drama. He then walked out and he expected Mishti to follow him. It would have been a great opportunity for them to have a heart to heart and someone as in tune with him as Mishti would have done that but that is not what happened. Mishti first tried to calm Meenu and then was more interested in figuring out who will take flask to Kunal. Abir's disappointment was obvious when he muttered he was upset because Mishti did not come and was dragging their fight from last night. I don't think he was upset at Mishti but rather at whole Meenu situation. He did not share his feelings with Kuhu about the situation as he would have shared with Mishti. Kuhu took his words at facevalue and added some more fuel to fire by complaining about Mishti .


The fight continues to escalate because Mishti sees everything Abir does with a perspective that he is priortizing Kuhu over her, She is concerned that Kuhu might really do something stupid enough to create a huge problem and pose a risk. Abir is looking at everything with the perspective that Mishti is stuck at her petty fights with Kuhu while they are headed for a bigger battle and Mishti is actually giving Meenu chances to create a problem. There needs to be a clear communication between them.


Mishti needs to understand Abir fought for her in his own way so there is no way he can priortize Kuhu over her. Also the relationship between Abir and Kuhu is delicate enough that Abir can protect Kuhu for Kunal but criticizing her is not within his rights . That is Kunal's rights. Also Abir considers Kuhu childish, his expectation from Kuhu is very different than what he has from his smart angry chorni. He forgives Kuhu not only because he is unaware of the whole truth but also because that is the only thing he can do without creating any more rift in the family. It is interesting to me that Abir has not once tried to actively ask or directly engage with Kuhu since his marriage on any issue, it has always been other way around. Mishti suddenly seems to be completely oblivious of the undercurrents in the household and her husband's worry. The property and business are going to become the reason for breaking the family and Kuhu is stupidly becoming a pawn in her obsession to please Meenu. If Mishti continues to engage with her at her level, she will become a pawn too. She needs to share what she wants from Abir-reassurance that she is and will remain the most important person to him and she is not responsible for any fights in the house.


Abir needs to understand Misti is unsure of her her place in RJV household more so when Kuhu takes every opportunity to encroach on her rights as elder daughter-in-law. He needs to understand what Kuhu is doing is childish but increasingly hard to ignore and become a part of? He needs to advise her how and why to ignore and why he is doing the same. He needs to let Mishti know that he is not unaware of what Kuhu is doing. Mishti is losing her confidence and for her to fight by his side, she needs to be reassured. He needs to let Mishti know while he understands why she chose to stay at RJV house and why she forgave Meenu but Meenu has not changed and she will target all of them again. He need to tell her why he expects more from her and how he needs her for the battle ahead.


Ofcourse ...a few days of marriage and everyday is filled with drama and fights...I am not sure that is both of them wished for when the started their life together after a long fight so a little romance would be appreciated. I also see an interesting parallel here to KuKu track- Mishti was unwittingly the underlying reason for the whole marital discord in KuKu marriage. Kunal was unwilling to forgive Mishti for her perceived rejection and move on. Kuhu is now unwittingly the reason of discord in Misbir relationship but the reason is that Abir is willing to forgive Kuhu for all her slights and move on.


I keep reading that Mishti was abused by Kuhu in Mah house. I don't agree with that. Mishti has let down Kuhu several times too though it was not not purpose. In first few episodes, Kuhu and Mishti were to perform together but instead Mishti in her pain forgot and ended up changing the performance on the stage leaving Kuhu looking like a fool. Mishti asked Kuhu to come to perform on Sufi night where Kuhu had hoped to impress Kunal, instead Mishti ended up singing with Abir making Kuhu look like a liar. She brought out Kuhu's birth secret on her Gordhana (I know Meenu manipulated her but think of Kuhu's emotions at that point). BTW Mishti gives as good as she gets from Kuhu, only her delivery is more mature and subtle.


Lastly the most interesting comment for me in last few episodes actually came from Kunal, when he seemed unsure of Kuhu's love for him. I had mentioned before that it is unclear to me if Kuhu really loved Kunal because she does not have taken time to think this through. Also I don't think she understands Kunal yet, if she did she would have understood her husband's dilemma instead she is busy rejecting Parul and sucking up to Meenu.

B:i agree with some points mishti concern is what if kuhu do some thing big where everyone cant control the damage... but abir is seeing it as a petty fight and not considering her...

if abir could have heard mishti then meenu wont create problems but abir is not listening to her... he is more concentrated on meenu and not undertsanding that what mishti want to say... if abir calm down himself and listens to mishti then he could have understood meenu's planing... but he in no mood to understand...


yes mishti went to kunal because abir wont listen to her... she clearly said who ever is wining we are loosing...if abir want mishti to talk with him then he should take the first step as he always says mishti cant be wrong and when fight happened between them abir just left room and want to sleep seperately... which is not done to any married woman esply when u r newly married... so its abir's responsibility to take step towards mishti and mend the ways...


As the FL of ITV only she knows whole truths than any other characters in the show... still mishti holds the truths about baba, kuhu and meenu's dhamki too... knowing about meenu's dhamki mishti gave into abir with out any argument but this time abir only knows half truth and he enraged meenu but burnt will be to mishti...

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Posted: 5 years ago
#35

Originally posted by: NoraSM


Kuhu spiked Mishti's drink which Abir drank and was seriously ill, Kuhu didn't stop anyone from drinking it not even her husband Kunal, she didn't drink it thinking about those pills, that tells the level of selfishness and malice in her character.


Next she worries if Meenu drank it, she said Nidhi drinking is better than Meenu because Nidhi's life doesn't matter to her, after getting to know Abir's condition she says Mishti should have had it, again Mishti's life doesn't matter to her, when Meenu asked her she started badmouthing Mishti saying Mishti can't survive in a joint family, she didn't say anything when Mishti and Abir were asked if they consumed alcohol, here Mishti took the blame of alcohol on herself, a clear difference between these two characters, one does not stop her husband from drinking coffee and one can do anything for him.

When Kunal asked about it from Kuhu didn't she lie to him? If it's as small as you are trying to say then what's wrong in telling the truth? Why hide something as small as this?


Abir handled Kuhu in his own way but did it work? Didn't Kuhu thrash Mishbir's photoframes? When Abir asked Mishti to keep it to her, did she tell Kunal? No, did she bring this matter again before Kuhu broke her photoframes? No


Mishti is not petty, she doesn't want to look superior, SHE IS million times better than Kuhu, If you don't report crimes because you want to look superior, it is done to stop crimes, Mishti wants everyone to know because clearly Abir couldn't stop Kuhu from breaking those photoframes.

Mishti did not go to Kuhu, Kuhu came to her, Abir knows only one part of it, he doesn't know about everything this person has done to Mishti, she is not like Kunal

take a bow dear... bang on psot...


i second u in this...

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ashi3


No one has an answer to the question? Hmmm... Thought so. 🤔

When Mishti reacts to any unfair action of other characters, she is termed as egoistic or selfish. And when she doesn't react or tries to keep her calm in adverse situations, she is termed as self-righteous or 'Mahaan'. So what is she exactly supposed to do in such situations according to her critics? I'm genuinely unable to comprehend the double standards for this character. Can someone kindly enlighten me regarding the same?


my answer in bold..


mishti character is flawed and she never opned her mouth in MAH because its ehsaan thing took toll over and jas in continous rant on mooh boli... in MAH mishti is accpeted by BP-BM, shaurya and varsha partially... jas -never... so she kept quiet... when came to RJV she is DIL same like kuhu and its msihti's husband house there is no ehsaan or partial acceptance or anything... she wants everyone's acceptance and trying for it but never bad mouthed anything about anyone... if she wants to say something about kuhu to her husband then its her concern not to de mean or ego or superiority... what mishti can see from kuhu cant be seen by abir so she wants to say her views to abir but abir is not listening...


all characters are flawed and no one is perfect but depends upon their actions the grey shade is differed... kuhu grey shade is morethan mishti...


according to so called critics they dont even now how mishti should react... some times they want immediate reaction and some times they want to keep her shut... they are only confused about it...

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: ruhi19

When Mishti reacts to any unfair action of other characters, she is termed as egoistic or selfish. And when she doesn't react or tries to keep her calm in adverse situations, she is termed as self-righteous or 'Mahaan'. So what is she exactly supposed to do in such situations according to her critics? I'm genuinely unable to comprehend the double standards for this character. Can someone kindly enlighten me regarding the same?


my answer in bold..


mishti character is flawed and she never opned her mouth in MAH because its ehsaan thing took toll over and jas in continous rant on mooh boli... in MAH mishti is accpeted by BP-BM, shaurya and varsha partially... jas -never... so she kept quiet... when came to RJV she is DIL same like kuhu and its msihti's husband house there is no ehsaan or partial acceptance or anything... she wants everyone's acceptance and trying for it but never bad mouthed anything about anyone... if she wants to say something about kuhu to her husband then its her concern not to de mean or ego or superiority... what mishti can see from kuhu cant be seen by abir so she wants to say her views to abir but abir is not listening...


all characters are flawed and no one is perfect but depends upon their actions the grey shade is differed... kuhu grey shade is morethan mishti...


according to so called critics they dont even now how mishti should react... some times they want immediate reaction and some times they want to keep her shut... they are only confused about it...


I know why Mishti reacts the way she does, dear. 😆 I was questioning her critics regarding their double standard. I wanted to know what they expect her to do? She is criticized when she remains silent on any issue as well as when she calls out someone for their behaviour. She is neither allowed to speak nor to remain silent. So what exactly is she supposed to do??

Mishti kare toh kare kya?

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Ashi3


I know why Mishti reacts the way she does, dear. 😆 I was questioning her critics regarding their double standard. I wanted to know what they expect her to do? She is criticized when she remains silent on any issue as well as when she calls out someone for their behaviour. She is neither allowed to speak nor to remain silent. So what exactly is she supposed to do??

Mishti kare toh kare kya?

mishti kuch bhi kare ya mishti kuch na kare... sab mishti ki wajah se is everyone want... for critics its easy to blame mishti than any other character in show...😆
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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: yyyy

Can we stop overreacting first this is a serial for gods sake and even if it’s an abuse it’s against Abir .Let Abir decide what he want . Mishti decided to hide this from Abir when he had all the rights to know this .Why don’t we first talk about this before pointing fingers at others .Protecting the offender (even for few days) is a crime too .Lets call that out too or are we too biased to do that .


When Abir decided to forgive her best friend who tried to kill him ( purposely ) she was ok with it and she doesn’t hold any grudges but now if Abir wants to let go off this incident for his family peace her ego is not allowing .


Just as you have put across your point so have I respectfully. You are nobody to tell me that this is an over reaction. So stop being a bully by saying I am overreacting. #LoveandRespect😊😊

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Posted: 5 years ago
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Originally posted by: Npdeepa

@ blue But does it mean you can name call the one you loved once and hurt them physically and mentally. ... Of course not. The love is buried under anger and unresolved issues...to get that love untarnished, lot of redemption is needed. This is why when people say Mishti should listen when Kuhu is sorry, I am like nope...you do one bad deed, you need to do ten good before you will be believed.

@red No comments these two are going to burn the bridge between their wives and their family by their own hands...Anyways, even in real life that is what most of the Men do.


@bold I second you in this...

If they want to show the reality then let kuhu serve her KARMA, a punishment given by the universe. She thinks no is watching her right, so by receiving a poetic justice she will be made to realize her mistakes (galti se or not galti se) and sins (trying to harm someone is a sin not a mistake)

I kind of convinced myself when they gave a free pass for Nishant because he is a mental health patient...He is not a friend he is betrayer...he would have almost killed Abir...Somewhat his poetic justice was served, he lost such a selfless friend...he will be a loner for all his life... Everyone gets their karma...Kuhu never gets what she wants, so that is her karma. She wants to be sisterly with Mishit but won't get that until she redeems herself...and that is soon on its way...


Nishant got his karma...he lost the only person he loved- Mishti! I just hope he does not get back into drugs, but spends time longing for Mishti..😆


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