aishwarya rai Biggest film star from 2000-2008? - Page 7

I heard madhuri was pregnant or was it a rumour?

Originally posted by: harun98

I heard madhuri was pregnant or was it a rumour?

Rumour. She gave birth in 2003. Dola Re was shot towards the end of the year 2000.

Originally posted by: dedh

it doesn't matter. Most viewers have very little idea what truly accomplished dancing is and are not interested in the finer aspects of choreographies. But the idea of "being defensive" could easily be turned on its head, so that some people on IF will swear that Aish or Juhi "look better" because they can't stand the idea of Madhuri being the best dancer. At any rate, "looking better" is highly subjective and should not be equaled with "slaying" or "shredding" when more objective criteria can be applied.

The term ‘slaying’ or ‘shredded’ was used to aptly describe my experience of watching their dance. In my ‘highly subjective’ opinion, Madhuri was slayed by Aish in Dola Re Dola. I am not going to dissect their dance moves by comparing it to a criterion, I’ll leave that job for the professionals who get paid to do so.

Likewise, possessive fans of Madhuri could rant on about her being the best dancer because god forbid another celebrity dances better than her.

I understand your point in regards to the audience having little understanding or care about the finer details. Again, if I were trained in that specific dance form then I would easily notice any mistakes made in executing a certain move. But that does not deviate from the fact that based on the overall performance (flaws or not), in my humble opinion (which will not change), Aishwarya Rai did overshadow her.

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Originally posted by: ponymo

Or that dance off with Karisma in DTPH. Again Karisma was better there.

Madhuri is a great dancer no doubt, but not all the time, and some of her colleagues are better, while their skills may not be as recognized as Madhuri's are.

Yup! I forgot about the ‘dance of envy’ face off. Madhuri looked absolutely beautiful! Though I cannot stand Karishma (literally despise), she did outperform Madhuri in this one. I do believe that Madhuri is miles ahead of Karishma in dancing, but every individual has their limitations. Madhuri did well in the sensual aspects of the dance (in addition to her expressions), however Karisma was better able to execute the fast paced and more flexible movements required in the dance.

This by no means makes Karishma a better dancer. But in all fairness, she did perform better in this one.

Nope.

From 2000 to 2002 only.

Preity took over from 2003, and Rani from 2005.

Originally posted by: v_nakshara

I remember when watching Devdas the first time, I couldn’t take my eyes off Aishwarya during Dola re Dola song. I’m not even a fan of Aishwarya but she did overshadow Madhuri during the song. Madhuri is among the best dancers in Bollywood (not the best out there) but she does get overshadowed in dance off.

I wasn’t even a fan of Aishwarya during Devdas (in fact I hated her). Though I love her now, but I used to harbour a childhood grudge against her for ruining my dream of having Salman fall in love with Sonali Bendre (HSSH Prem + Preeti fever was strong AF 😆).

So I remember HATING the fact that I had to grudgingly admit that Aish looked freaking inhumanely beautiful in Devdas. Whilst watching Dola Re Dola at the cinemas, I was anticipating watching Madhuri dance (because she rocked in Maar Dala & Kaahe Ched) but whatdoyouuuknow I bloody forgot she was even dancing in the song. I was in awe (jaw dropped) watching Paro dance. Due to the songs pace, Madhuri was coming across more heavily footed and slow. Instead, Aish appeared more vibrant and lively in comparison (she is also more flexible and light on her feet) - so it was much more appealing to the eye.

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

Yup! I forgot about the ‘dance of envy’ face off. Madhuri looked absolutely beautiful! Though I cannot stand Karishma (literally despise), she did outperform Madhuri in this one. I do believe that Madhuri is miles ahead of Karishma in dancing, but every individual has their limitations. Madhuri did well in the sensual aspects of the dance (in addition to her expressions), however Karisma was better able to execute the fast paced and more flexible movements required in the dance.

This by no means makes Karishma a better dancer. But in all fairness, she did perform better in this one.

Let us forget about the details of the script, which juxtaposes two heroines and two styles of dancing and makes Karishma the better one in the "modern" variety. LOL

There is no account for tastes. In people's subjective opinions some dancers "slay" other dancers. Again, the devil is in the details.

Who cares? Ranis films worked better than ash back then also and now also. Kaheka starpower? Where's the starpower?

Originally posted by: dedh

Let us forget about the details of the script, which juxtaposes two heroines and two styles of dancing and makes Karishma the better one in the "modern" variety. LOL

There is no account for tastes. In people's subjective opinions some dancers "slay" other dancers. Again, the devil is in the details.

If we were to focus on the script then Chandramukhi should have been miles ahead of Paro as she was a courtesan and dance was her speciality 😆

On the same note, Karishma was the 'modern' dancer and Madhuri was the 'traditional' dancer in DTPH. Pooja (Madhuri) was following Nisha's (Karishma) lead and the intention of the scene was to show that Pooja was dancing (outside her comfort zone) and still doing a splendid job replicating Nisha's movements (who was dancing in her field of expertise) - though the last bit showed Nisha trying to purposely outperform Pooja by doing that 'running-around-crazy-hands-in-the-air-kick-your-toe' move out of sheer pettiness to win the 'competition'. NOW the whole dance looked monkey shit stupid and the choreography was embarrassing to watch. I certainly don't think Karishma danced better in that last bit because that was done on purpose. But just overall, she stood out in this one song. Madhuri gave it her all - so it's not like Pooja was supposed to be shit throughout the whole dance lol.

But yeah like you said, the devil is in the details and for some it matters most.

Originally posted by: FingerFetish

If we were to focus on the script then Chandramukhi should have been miles ahead of Paro as she was a courtesan and dance was her speciality 😆

On the same note, Karishma was the 'modern' dancer and Madhuri was the 'traditional' dancer in DTPH. Pooja (Madhuri) was following Nisha's (Karishma) lead and the intention of the scene was to show that Pooja was dancing (outside her comfort zone) and still doing a splendid job replicating Nisha's movements (who was dancing in her field of expertise) - though the last bit showed Nisha trying to purposely outperform Pooja by doing that 'running-around-crazy-hands-in-the-air-kick-your-toe' move out of sheer pettiness to win the 'competition'. NOW the whole dance looked monkey shit stupid and the choreography was embarrassing to watch. I certainly don't think Karishma danced better in that last bit because that was done on purpose. But just overall, she stood out in this one song. Madhuri gave it her all - so it's not like Pooja was supposed to be shit throughout the whole dance lol.

But yeah like you said, the devil is in the details and for some it matters most.

But the Devdas script does not build on that logic. The dance is never meant to be competitive - it's two girls/women doing a cool thing together, against the rules. The way SLB stages the beginning of that dance is another matter - Aish is introduced as the centrepiece (ironically, it's the part where she's the least convincing technically, even though she's classically trained, like Madhuri), but then the two actresses are given equal space and get to shine.

The behind the scenes shenanigans can be very illuminating. Back in the day we read about Aish's nervous convos with SLB before signing the contract - she really wanted to make sure she's the only female lead in the story, and who could blame her? However, the majority of reviewers praised Madhuri the most and it's her dance numbers from that movie that are recognized as the best.

What was happening with DTPH is even funnier in retrospect. Two same age actresses were meant to "compete" for SRK's character's heart. Once Karishma signed on, the script was changed to emphasize the age difference and to build up the younger character at the expense of underwritten, mysterious Pooja/Maya. The character development the latter is given is mostly through dance. At the beginning we see Pooja struggling to satisfy Rahul's vision of the character, but "The Dance of Envy" shows her dance can't be contained, is not formulaic, unlike Nisha's "modern" limitations.

"The whole dance looked monkey shit stupid and the choreography was embarrassing to watch. I certainly don't think Karishma danced better in that last bit because that was done on purpose. But just overall, she stood out in this one song."

Now you lost me. She stood out because she was awful? But then, by the same logic, Madhuri would have been "awful" in the first part, no? AFAIAC, the choreography was not awful, just... dated, like most of Bollywood cinema. But it was convenient for the producers and the media to present "The Dance of Envy" as some epic dance-off, whereas its narrative purpose, it seems, was to show (rather than tell) why Rahul chose the mysterious/inscrutable over the familiar/"heart on the sleeve".