It's actually all about presumptions

What a stage for our three principle characters to reach.....

First there's Mini....who's made the presumption that her Hanuman Uncle didn't trust her, doubted her, didn't understand her, so now she's walking around with a permanently stricken look on her face. She's also made the presumption somehow that her mother wants to break off all old ties as she starts her new married life, so she's acting like a martyr over that too.

Then there's Hanuman....who's hurt over being such an afterthought for mother-daughter by this point that he's made the presumption that they really don't have a space for him in their lives.....his presumption really doesn't seem that far off the mark given how mother-daughter acted over the last two epis. And precap will add further fuel to that presumption as Babita bursts out without thinking yet again.

And finally there's Babita.....LOL....her presumptions are really next level too....she actually thinks that HS wouldn't want her to prioritize Mini in this relationship....that he actually wants to be prioritized over Mini? Not sure what the precap was about but it's hard to look at it in a good light for Babita from any angle.....she's had her share of childish outbursts before but this one would really be something.

Shaadis on ITV have to have some level of drama always....in most shows, it's external, in this show, they've taken the internal route.....but the route they've taken hasn't left any of the characters in a good place.

The shaadi really shouldn't have happened at all....this CD incident has established that much for sure.....none of the three were really ready for this shaadi....not the two ppl actually getting married and not the child who built the fantasy of a marriage for them.....one incident was all it took to trigger all three of them.....Babita's panicky clinging to Mini has kicked into high gear again as she keeps crying out for her every two minutes....like she's a security blanket for her.....HS stoically went through the marriage still unsure, but fulfilling a commitment, I guess....and Mini who was most excited about her fantasy now was watching the actual marriage like it was a tragedy unfolding.

Next up seems like a lot of second guessing for the characters about whether this marriage was the right decision after all.....along with ofcourse stewing in their own presumptions and hurt.

The writers are still trying to build this up as a tragedy for Mini but somehow that angle is not working for me.....I'm actually unable to connect with her emotions right now.....her hurt over HS apparently not trusting her over the CD thing I get somewhat....but her running to the Khuranas again fell flat to me.....the level of self-pity in those characters....lol wow.....after all they did, they are all acting like martyrs who have to stoically bear Babita ka atyachaar....lol....Also, her pained expressions watching Babita complete the rituals....not sure what the writers were trying to go for but mujhe kuch feel nahin hua....it got tiresome by the end.

To get the story back on track, the principle three characters need to interact.....I have no hope from Babita in the short term seeing her outburst in the precap but I want to see how HS-Mini manage to tackle this trust issue between them.

The writers are trying SO hard to justify Mini feeling let down by HS.....I just knew they would add in the FB of her telling him that if there's anyone who deserves her Babes, it's him......lol a scene I loved so much will now be used for tragic irony in FBs. Ah well.

Waise HS ne tab bhi bola tha that he didn't believe her but Mini ne mazaak mein le liya😆....she should have taken him at his word.

Also, sabne bol diya ki HS didn't look at Mini once in the whole wedding.....but yeh bhool gaye ki he still went through with the wedding cuz Mini asked him to, no? Baat toh rakh li usne apni Veer Balika ki despite being hurt.....Mini ka hurt overt kar diya aaj ke epi mein.....HS ka hurt got internalized.

Babita became a spectator in her own life again.....lol adrift, as if watching it all happen without really feeling anything.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

The writers are still trying to build this up as a tragedy for Mini but somehow that angle is not working for me.....

This victimization of Minnie is getting a little too OTT for me .. this could also have been shown as a gradual build up .. the fact that they wove the entire tragedy with the wedding track ruined both..

I understand her pain but her constant brooding is forcing us to give her sympathy rather than an empathy.. anyways the lesser said the better now because it's going to continue for sometime and I m not looking forward to that

For HS, I feel somewhere it is his fault too for having presumed that Minnie wanted a father when she never said it .. wasn't even asked if she was okay with him being a father to her .. yes ßhe had implicitly accepted him as a father figure but not a father .. there is a huge difference .. anyways, seeing today's HS and the one in FB, I couldn't recognize or connect with today's HS..

And about babes - she is back to being what she does best .. childish outbursts .. the wings of freedom that she has acquired are taking her to such a height that will only lead to her downfall in the future so as to be able to fly high again .. albeit correctly..

As you said, all 3 need to communicate .. but how ..?

Originally posted by: AreYaar

Also, sabne bol diya ki HS didn't look at Mini once in the whole wedding.....but yeh bhool gaye ki he still went through with the wedding cuz Mini asked him to, no? Baat toh rakh li usne apni Veer Balika ki despite being hurt.....Mini ka hurt overt kar diya aaj ke epi mein.....HS ka hurt got internalized.

True, he did .. but did he have any other choice ..? This time his reason to call off/marry felt different compared to last time .. last time he was willing to call off/marry to keep his vb happy, because he too would be happy with the decision .. but this time giving her that happiness had his hurt in it .. either ways he was hurt and not happy

I want to say I loved the episode but I am unable to and I can't seem to articulate why .. maybe for the first time I felt that the CV are letting us down with the OTT drama

Originally posted by: rivaanvira

This victimization of Minnie is getting a little too OTT for me .. this could also have been shown as a gradual build up .. the fact that they wove the entire tragedy with the wedding track ruined both..

I understand her pain but her constant brooding is forcing us to give her sympathy rather than an empathy.. anyways the lesser said the better now because it's going to continue for sometime and I m not looking forward to that

For HS, I feel somewhere it is his fault too for having presumed that Minnie wanted a father when she never said it .. wasn't even asked if she was okay with him being a father to her .. yes ßhe had implicitly accepted him as a father figure but not a father .. there is a huge difference .. anyways, seeing today's HS and the one in FB, I couldn't recognize or connect with today's HS..

And about babes - she is back to being what she does best .. childish outbursts .. the wings of freedom that she has acquired are taking her to such a height that will only lead to her downfall in the future so as to be able to fly high again .. albeit correctly..

As you said, all 3 need to communicate .. but how ..?

You make a good point about how they are forcing us to sympathize with Mini rather than empathize.....the writing is usually good about making us feel empathy especially for the trio.....but today that was lacking. The more they victimize Mini in a contrived manner, the less I feel for her. Which is a pity.....cuz her pain and loneliness could have been valid otherwise....but the way they set it up just didn't do any character justice.l

It's ironic cuz just two days back I wrote that I understood NB's wariness about the shaadi but that didn't necessarily mean it will come to pass.....the writers didn't even take one epi in completely devolving it.....lol rather than gradually building up to these issues, they brought the whole house of cards down in one fell swoop.

Re: HS.....his fault isn't that he presumed that Mini wanted a father when she never said it.....she very much fell into the pattern of baap-beti with him each time he called her his daughter.....it was a natural presumption to make that she had accepted him as her father.....she never corrected this perception, did she? His fault if we want to call it that is that his hurt overcame him at a critical time....and he couldn't hold it in to manage the situation.....instead he let it out.....because it had built up....over and over again, mother-daughter were in their own world without sparing a thought for his emotions.....and finally those emotions got the better of him.....all this talk about how she never really wanted the marriage to happen, never really wanted him as her father.....this is all hurt talking....hurt stemming from a feeling of being adrift.....in all the tamasha, no one spared a thought for where he stands.....and when he expressed his hurt, it all devolved further rather than him getting any assurance.....they all retreated into their defensive safe spaces rather than address the large issues festering between them.

I said this yesterday also....where there is immense love, there is immense capacity for hurt....it makes you more vulnerable.....this is why you may be finding the HS in the FBs different from the HS today.....this one has fallen way more deeply in love with daughter-mother.....so he hurts more than the one in the past.....and reacts accordingly.

Re: Babita....her case is of a bird who's taken flight but only a few feet high before returning back to the nest and wanting to huddle under her mother's wing.....she is still too scared to really fly. Mini ne bol toh diya she wants her mom to actually fly now....but neither mom, nor daughter are ready for that.....daughter doesn't know what to do with herself if she doesn't have mom to hover over and mom doesn't know what to do if daughter isn't hovering next to her.

Your last line....wohi toh million dollar question hai.....lol based on today's epi and precap toh I really can't figure out how it will happen.....the gloom has set in and it's hard to see a way out right now.....all three are just piling on in hurting each other......the show deffo needs to find a way to come out of this gloom mode. Maybe as HS heads back to work, change of scene toh hoga for him.

Originally posted by: AreYaar

You make a good point about how they are forcing us to sympathize with Mini rather than empathize.....the writing is usually good about making us feel empathy especially for the trio.....but today that was lacking. The more they victimize Mini in a contrived manner, the less I feel for her. Which is a pity.....cuz her pain and loneliness could have been valid otherwise....but the way they set it up just didn't do any character justice.l

Bang on.. somewhere instead of justifying it they assassinated it

It's ironic cuz just two days back I wrote that I understood NB's wariness about the shaadi but that didn't necessarily mean it will come to pass.....the writers didn't even take one epi in completely devolving it.....lol rather than gradually building up to these issues, they brought the whole house of cards down in one fell swoop.

Yep it just felt like a bombardment of issues .. dragged with Shaadi celebrations .. I think in trying to cover the whole 9 yards they didn't realize that they were already testing our patience with a khichdi of everything

Re: HS.....his fault isn't that he presumed that Mini wanted a father when she never said it.....she very much fell into the pattern of baap-beti with him each time he called her his daughter.....it was a natural presumption to make that she had accepted him as her father.....she never corrected this perception, did she? His fault if we want to call it that is that his hurt overcame him at a critical time....and he couldn't hold it in to manage the situation.....instead he let it out.....because it had built up....over and over again, mother-daughter were in their own world without sparing a thought for his emotions.....and finally those emotions got the better of him.....all this talk about how she never really wanted the marriage to happen, never really wanted him as her father.....this is all hurt talking....hurt stemming from a feeling of being adrift.....in all the tamasha, no one spared a thought for where he stands.....and when he expressed his hurt, it all devolved further rather than him getting any assurance.....they all retreated into their defensive safe spaces rather than address the large issues festering between them.

True I don't disagree here .. he was hurt because he has been taken for granted by both women .. and was given importance when their matter at hand was more important.. pity

Re: Babita....her case is of a bird who's taken flight but only a few feet high before returning back to the nest and wanting to huddle under her mother's wing.....she is still too scared to really fly. Mini ne bol toh diya she wants her mom to actually fly now....but neither mom, nor daughter are ready for that.....daughter doesn't know what to do with herself if she doesn't have mom to hover over and mom doesn't know what to do if daughter isn't hovering next to her.

True .. I couldn't have articulated it better than nyou ..

Your last line....wohi toh million dollar question hai.....lol based on today's epi and precap toh I really can't figure out how it will happen.....the gloom has set in and it's hard to see a way out right now.....all three are just piling on in hurting each other......the show deffo needs to find a way to come out of this gloom mode. Maybe as HS heads back to work, change of scene toh hoga for him.

I can see the intention that the CV has setup for future track .. and it will be difficult to see how .. but I just hope that CV do not drag this and start bringing closure to all these loops that they have opened including the gloom

Originally posted by: rivaanvira

True, he did .. but did he have any other choice ..? This time his reason to call off/marry felt different compared to last time .. last time he was willing to call off/marry to keep his vb happy, because he too would be happy with the decision .. but this time giving her that happiness had his hurt in it .. either ways he was hurt and not happy

I want to say I loved the episode but I am unable to and I can't seem to articulate why .. maybe for the first time I felt that the CV are letting us down with the OTT drama

Ofcourse his reason to try to call it off was different this time....but the hurt was similar....he was hurt then also, he's hurt today also....but at the end of the day, maa-beti ka hukum sar aakhon pe hai for HS.....that time also he backed off cuz Mini wasn't sure and he clarified that he wouldn't take any steps unless Babita wishes it.....her wish, her choice as he always says.....so when Mini or Babita wish it, he usually makes it happen.....whether or not he's happy about it.

HS's emotions today were also complicated.....he was generally sombre, yes....but at the end of the day, he still wanted to marry Babita....his slight smile as he put the sindoor on her showed that....or maybe that was him trying to strive for a brief moment of positivity in the general gloom with which they completed the rituals.....he gave her a smile as if to reassure her that all will be ok.....but Babita's smile in return was mostly anxious.....most of the rituals were completed by her in zombie form.....toh the whole thing became a moot exercise....it was like a muddle of reactions from both of them.....by the end, I think HS was in responsibility mode as he felt like he had assumed responsibility for Babita now that rituals were complete.

I actually won't say I loved the episode.....I love a PB episode where even if it's sad, the scenes give me a sense of emotional catharsis or satisfaction.....today none of the scenes had that....so no, for me it wasn't an epi I loved.....because they dropped the ball in setting up this complication of emotions....my issue is not that it shouldn't have gotten complicated at the shaadi.....my issue is with how the complication was executed.....not up to the PB mark.....they deffo dragged it out for the sake of drama.

HS literally didn't get a single dialogue in the epi and he wasn't even the focus in most of the scenes.....when they mute him, it's hard to figure out much in the story. Mini ka dragged out martyr mode waise hi was kinda not doing anything for me.....the trust wala line also didn't work for me.....

Baaki toh we will only know if they can recoup from this based on how the post shaadi epis go....once this long night is over.

Originally posted by: rivaanvira

Yep it just felt like a bombardment of issues .. dragged with Shaadi celebrations .. I think in trying to cover the whole 9 yards they didn't realize that they were already testing our patience with a khichdi of everything

You know, I'm still struggling to figure out what their intention was with this shaadi😕....nothing they set up served it's purpose....they spent so many epis dropping hints of Mini not seeing the big picture, not self-introspecting about her emotions....but when the day for big drama came, they seemed to lose steam in setting up the perspective of all three for this falling out....usually that's the one thing the show does well.....in the previous confrontations, I could always see why all three of them reacted the way they did.....their fears, their anger, their hurt....all made sense.....but this time we got nothing like that.....it all just kept getting kinda tiresome and contrived by the minute.....dukhiyaari mode overload ho gaya without any good convos to balance it out.

I can see the intention that the CV has setup for future track .. and it will be difficult to see how .. but I just hope that CV do not drag this and start bringing closure to all these loops that they have opened including the gloom

I'm trying to figure out yeh future track kiske liye hai....the viewers who've invested in the journey till this point or the viewers who are only tuning in from this shaadi point onwards? All the FBs they showed today recapping Mini's journey with HS, then her journey with Babes also felt like it was a recap for new viewers to get a hint of the backstory.....and if this is what they are going to serve the new viewers, I'm not sure how engaged they will feel.....lol the essence of the show is the build up of the equations of the three characters....but the writers seemed to have wiped the slate clean in some ways and are looking to build them from scratch again.....which also I wouldn't have minded but the way they wiped the slate clean could have been done better.

Gosh where do i start? This episode delt like a chore to get through🙄😴

Mini ka rudali/abla bechari dukhyari ladki jiske saath bada koi zulm ho raha hai just didn't work i felt like giving her a few tight wali taplis . It amazing how they have ruined mini like this in span of 2/3 episodes. I hate the way they are showing her and babita as of babita and hanuman are the zaalim duniya wale doing this to dhao zulm on bechari mini(ashok ki nishani) ad of her mother was a) forced to do this shaadi or had some major majboori to get into it b) she is a careless/selfish mother who jas no lagav to her child and is doing all this to spite the beti . C) hanuman the villain is not accepting mini as a daughter and has forced babita to leave her behind as is the case in nost such shaadi scenarios ke pehle pati ki aulad bhi chod do. They made mini Cinderella and babes and hanuman the stepmother and zaalim selfish log.

This is just sooooo ridiculous the way she kept stepping backwards and remained sulky was sooooo annoying and uppar se mini ka sudden oyar for khurrannas jaise zaalim maa ke zulmon se bhaag kar jaa rahi hai bechare able buddhaos ke paas

This is just unacceptable i just couldn't connect with this dukhyaripan and this portayal of majboori all around and making HS kinda the indirect villain jaise wohi ibke beech villain bhetha hai jisne ek shabd bol dia toh bas duniya khalas but the same mini can say hurtful things to him over and over but she still remains a saint.

I am sorry to say but it is majorly putting me off mini and am borderline hating her rn. They need to fix this asap or get to fixing things this roti dhoti gham main doobi mi i ia unbearable and her sudden pyar for her dadhiyal wale is just sooo freaking annoying. Matlab babes babes babes and 4 hafte sar khaya in naachgaana and theb in real shaadi moonh basor ke shaadi ho chod aayi caz HS asked a question. Uska hurt kyon nahi dikhta mini madam ko? Ya unki mummy ko and what was that lame flashback of babes saying usse nafrat hai har ashok related cheez se and mini ji ka tasvebahana taking it in refrence to her.like really? Miss mini🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

And sorry if this is sounding rude but you kbow when i get ghussa i get ghussa😁 aaj mere ko real wala ghussa aa raha hai yeh supergloom and bechargi

Originally posted by: naadanmasakalli

And sorry if this is sounding rude but you kbow when i get ghussa i get ghussa😁 aaj mere ko real wala ghussa aa raha hai yeh supergloom and bechargi

Haha no it's ok, I totally understand your gussa🤗😆

Tum bhi mujhe kos rahi hogi that I pulled you into the show and got you attached lekin ab yeh haal ho gaya😆