Shahid made a far bigger impact than Ranveer this year! - Page 9

Originally posted by: hotchic2

Khans are flopping and we still are on debate of star vs star.

Tell that to sociopathic Ranbir Kapoor fan 🤣

Originally posted by: zara321

but thats the case for every movie now, the era of films depending on stardom has gone, it is more about the content and story and if the film connects with people, it doesn't matter how big the star is, if the film doesn't have good content then it won't work, just look at how the khan films are doing

and how do you know what the producers are feeling about gullyboy? zoya, farhan and ritesh were the producers and they seem very happy with the success of the film

I don't know or even seem what producers are feeling but I know that a niche film doesn't release on 3350 screens, or even can get huge openings.

If you really believe so that movies don't need stardom anymore then preach that to those fandoms too who jump high on their favourites success and insult people whos favourites are not doing well.

I'll say it again: Gully Boy IS A NICHE film

This is a FACT, your personal opinion on this doesn't matter either anyone who is unbiased can tell you that. I'm pretty sure you know this as well but just because you dislike RS you're not admitting it. Also, please share the link where the producers have called it a commercial film? Are you forgetting that they are producers who would want their film to have the best BO performance?

It doesnt matter what they say, at the end of the day it's the audience who decides. The film was appealing only to urban class youngsters. Middle aged and older people weren't interested in watching it because it didn't appeal to them not because the film was bad or because of Ranveer but because of the subject matter which is only appealing to youngsters.

Again, comparing it with BM is absolutely ridiculous they're compelely different genres. I'm sure you won't do the same when it comes to other stars.

I'm pretty sure people are dying to watch 83 as is evident from social media so your opinion really doesn't matter. Kapil Dev is a respected and renowned figure. Ranveer is a superstar and the film is being made on a big scale so yeah people will watch it regardless of what you say and it is a sureshot hit.

Also, it's not just the people on IF who are calling Ranveer a superstar, it's the likes of AB and Salman Khan, who is arguably the biggest star in BW right now has been for a decade and keeps giving big opening days and BO numbers. Not to mention the media, audiences etc. I don't think your personal barometer is necessary then to determine whether Ranveer is actually a superstar or not.

Ranveer does give good opening days, you're just not ready to accept it. Also, you're not ready to accept that Gully Boy was a HIT, how the hell is a film which had a net gross of 1,34,21,50,000 an underperformer? It has been declared a hit regardless of your personal opinions on what BO number makes a film hit or not.

https://boxofficeindia.com/movie.php?movieid=5602

2000 crore kamati domestically toh Kya aap hit consider karte Gully Boy ko? I'm done with this illogical argument which is just stemming from your personal dislike for Ranveer.

Originally posted by: Luna46

Gully Boy was released on 3350 screens. It's not a niche film. Your personal experience doesn't mean anything when the producers themselves don't think so that it's niche. Otherwise no point in giving it a wide release or doing so much promotions. Neither a niche film will get such huge opening. And I'm comparing it to BM because the movie opened bigger than that film. Niche term is an excuse because RS fans are actually using it as an excuse for RS giving an underperformer. It didn't work with audience, that's another thing, but its not niche.

I compared Kapil Dev with Sanjay Dutt based on their draw to their biopic. Not about their contributions. Kapil Dev is Amitabh Bachchan of Cricket, but his fans will be too old, and its not necessary that a cricket fan will also be a movie fan and will die to watch his biopic.

The level of opening RS gives is not enough to justify his "Superstar" status. But thanks for calling him that. I hope Mellisa got her answer.

No I do not think Shahid made a bigger impact than Ranveer at all. Gully Boy is a far better movie than KS.

Yes, KS topped GB interMS of BO but most of salman's movies get great BO success, but it doesn't those movies are any good.

Ranveer's portrayal of subdued Murad is far better than Shahid's KS (imo).

Originally posted by: Shaitan-Haiwan

We need to chill with the Shahid phrase......I guarantee his next film will have 20 cr lifetime lol

😆😆

Originally posted by: mystic786

I'll say it again: Gully Boy IS A NICHE film

This is a FACT, your personal opinion on this doesn't matter either anyone who is unbiased can tell you that. I'm pretty sure you know this as well but just because you dislike RS you're not admitting it. Also, please share the link where the producers have called it a commercial film? Are you forgetting that they are producers who would want their film to have the best BO performance?

It doesnt matter what they say, at the end of the day it's the audience who decides. The film was appealing only to urban class youngsters. Middle aged and older people weren't interested in watching it because it didn't appeal to them not because the film was bad or because of Ranveer but because of the subject matter which is only appealing to youngsters.

Again, comparing it with BM is absolutely ridiculous they're compelely different genres. I'm sure you won't do the same when it comes to other stars.

I'm pretty sure people are dying to watch 83 as is evident from social media so your opinion really doesn't matter. Kapil Dev is a respected and renowned figure. Ranveer is a superstar and the film is being made on a big scale so yeah people will watch it regardless of what you say and it is a sureshot hit.

Also, it's not just the people on IF who are calling Ranveer a superstar, it's the likes of AB and Salman Khan, who is arguably the biggest star in BW right now and keeps giving big opening days and BO numbers. Not to mention the media, audiences etc. I don't think your personal barometer is necessary then to determine whether Ranveer is actually a superstar or not.

Ranveer does give good opening days, you're just not ready to accept it. Also, you're not ready to accept that Gully Boy was a HIT, how the hell is a film which had a net gross of 1,34,21,50,000 an underperformer? It has been declared a hit regardless of your personal opinions on what BO number makes a film hit or not.

https://boxofficeindia.com/movie.php?movieid=5602

2000 crore kamati domestically toh Kya aap hit consider karte Gully Boy ko? I'm done with this illogical argument which is just stemming from your personal dislike for Ranveer.

So anyone who points out faults in your Devta Ranveer is making illogical argument and his/her opinion doesn't matter? And if it doesn't matter then why the heck you are even arguing with me and giving me value. I don't need to write in bold to say that Gully Boy is not a niche film. No one on this forum is unbiased and you are definitely not so your opinion has same value as mine or anyone else.

I'm hopefully trying to make you understand(again) why I don't consider GB niche, though I highly doubt there is any use of it.

Niche film = A film which is targeted at limited audience, which means its releasing on limited screens, something which GB didn't get. The link you posted itself is the link you're asking me to prove why Producers think its not a niche film. See the number of screens the film was released on.

Neither it gets huge promotions, because it increases the budget of the film. And lastly a niche film will never open on 20 Crores, an opening which RS other commercial films also took.

Yes, audience decides the success of the film, but don't try it excuse it as niche. And from where you are coming up with this logic that the movie was only targeted at youngsters? Although youngsters are enough to make a film Blockbuster in India, Endgame and Kabir Singh are examples for that. Primary audience of Bollywood films are youngsters only.

Comparison with BM was only done to prove a point that RS failed to beat years old record.

Superstar Ranveer Singh can't even give 25 Crore opening, Tiger and Ranbir have already done that. Until and unless he does that I'll not even consider him to be a contender of being Superstar. What AB and Salman say I don't care. They have said more ridiculous things in the past, some even you will not agree with. Their words are not gospel. And this is just a phase for Ranveer. Sometime back Varun was also hyped on IF and called a Superstar, now no one cares of him as he gave a few flops. Same thing will happen with Ranveer if his next movie flops. Superstar tag is supposed to stick permanently.

We'll see how much people are dying to see 83 when the film releases. Nothing can be really said before the first day, and even after that the movie depends on WOM. Niche or not, Gully Boy proved that RS "Superstar" star power is not good enough to make his films cross 150 Crores. Kapil Dev is respected doesn't mean people are dying to watch his film.

Originally posted by: Luna46

So anyone who points out faults in your Devta Ranveer is making illogical argument and his/her opinion doesn't matter? And if it doesn't matter then why the heck you are even arguing with me and giving me value. I don't need to write in bold to say that Gully Boy is not a niche film. No one on this forum is unbiased and you are definitely not so your opinion has same value as mine or anyone else.

I'm hopefully trying to make you understand(again) why I don't consider GB niche, though I highly doubt there is any use of it.

Niche film = A film which is targeted at limited audience, which means its releasing on limited screens, something which GB didn't get. The link you posted itself is the link you're asking me to prove why Producers think its not a niche film. See the number of screens the film was released on.

Neither it gets huge promotions, because it increases the budget of the film. And lastly a niche film will never open on 20 Crores, an opening which RS other commercial films also took.

Yes, audience decides the success of the film, but don't try it excuse it as niche. And from where you are coming up with this logic that the movie was only targeted at youngsters? Although youngsters are enough to make a film Blockbuster in India, Endgame and Kabir Singh are examples for that. Primary audience of Bollywood films are youngsters only.

Comparison with BM was only done to prove a point that RS failed to beat years old record.

Superstar Ranveer Singh can't even give 25 Crore opening, Tiger and Ranbir have already done that. Until and unless he does that I'll not even consider him to be a contender of being Superstar. What AB and Salman say I don't care. They have said more ridiculous things in the past, some even you will not agree with. Their words are not gospel. And this is just a phase for Ranveer. Sometime back Varun was also hyped on IF and called a Superstar, now no one cares of him as he gave a few flops. Same thing will happen with Ranveer if his next movie flops. Superstar tag is supposed to stick permanently.

We'll see how much people are dying to see 83 when the film releases. Nothing can be really said before the first day, and even after that the movie depends on WOM. Niche or not, Gully Boy proved that RS "Superstar" star power is not good enough to make his films cross 150 Crores. Kapil Dev is respected doesn't mean people are dying to watch his film.

so now coz ranveer hasn't given a 25 cr opening you don't consider him a superstar. but you consider rk and tiger superstars coz they have had films with 25 cr openings? so you are just choosing your own standards of what a superstar is lol

i personally think the era of the superstar is gone, its all about content of films, and tbh even films with big opening numbers have then gone down in numbers and ended up flopping, and then there are films which opened to small numbers and went onto become huge hits like uri, so this whole opening number arguement doesn't really matter anymore, its about how the movie sustains and wat the oeverall collection ends up being, and that mainly depends on the content of the film and not on who the star is, content is the superstar

Verdict - Films made biggest impact more than stars .

Originally posted by: zara321

so now coz ranveer hasn't given a 25 cr opening you don't consider him a superstar. but you consider rk and tiger superstars coz they have had films with 25 cr openings? so you are just choosing your own standards of what a superstar is, ok got it 👍🏼

i personally think the era of the superstar is gone, its all about content of films, and tbh even films with big opening numbers have then gone down in numbers and ended up flopping, and then there are films which opened to small numbers and went onto become huge hits like uri, so this whole opening number arguement doesn't really matter anymore, its about how the movie sustains and wat the oeverall collection ends up being, and that mainly depends on the content of the film and not on who the star is, content is the superstar

When did I say Ranbir and Tiger are Superstars? No they are not because they are not consistent with that opening. But twisting words is a common habit of RS fans I guess. And even if I consider them, what's wrong in it? You can throw your personal opinion that Superstar era is gone, but I can't think who's Superstar and who's not? Ranveer is a Superstar is also not some Scientific fact like some people believe.

Opening numbers matter in determining star power. Uri ended up being a bigger grosser than Simmba but I'll never say Vicky>Ranveer, because Vicky is not a star and the low opening proves it. Uri is also an exception and not a rule. That level of trending was never seen since Gadar. Every film will not trend like that so opening is important for sustaining in long run.

Though again I'm saying, if you really believe in this theory then preach it to everyone and not just me.

Originally posted by: Luna46

When did I say Ranbir and Tiger are Superstars? No they are not because they are not consistent with that opening. But twisting words is a common habit of RS fans I guess. And even if I consider them, what's wrong in it? You can throw your personal opinion that Superstar era is gone, but I can't think who's Superstar and who's not? Ranveer is a Superstar is also not some Scientific fact like some people believe.

Opening numbers matter in determining star power. Uri ended up being a bigger grosser than Simmba but I'll never say Vicky>Ranveer, because Vicky is not a star and the low opening proves it. Uri is also an exception and not a rule. That level of trending was never seen since Gadar. Every film will not trend like that so opening is important for sustaining in long run.

Though again I'm saying, if you really believe in this theory then preach it to everyone and not just me.

I'm not preaching anything, I thought we were having a discussion here

Chalo i guess we will have to agree to disagree on this