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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: NainoMeinSapna


TBH: I can't think of any recent examples of this. There are still bad guy heroes. One example I can think of is GathBandhan, I saw some episodes of that show when I went home for reading week and basically the hero is a gunda who falls in love with this girl who wants to be a police officer. He forces the girl to marry him and vows to make her fall in love with him. Most recently there's a promo where he drinks poison at his reception. That show was basically glorifying gundagiri and forced marriages, I was shocked.

Another recent show I was following was Aisi Deewangi which showed a hate to love story and the hero in that was a total slacker and goon too. His dad had killed the girls dad and his dad was shown to be a really nice and sanskaari man. In the end the plot twist was that the girl's dad had actually been a bad guy.

Most recently, in DTHHJ I heard that they killed off the good guy and the ML is a bad guy.

Some other shows I can think of are Haasil, Ishq Mein Marjaawan (not sure what the story of this show is, but as far as I know Deep had negative shades to him), IPKKND3, Udaan, and even Swaragini, where Sanskaar had been a bad guy before "Swara changed him."

But there have been good guy heroes also, like Roop, and Jamai Rajaa, and the ML in MMCJTDR.


Ah fair!

I watch a handful of serials to begin with and the only ITV ones I have seen are: Kis Desh Mein Hai Mera Dil, Qayamat, Bade Ache Lagthe Hain, Geet Hui Sabse Paraye, MadhuBala, Dharam Patni, Tere Liye, Dil Se Di Dua, Beyadh (on/off), Bepannah, and now Silsila.

I tend to watch Pakistani drama serials quite a bit, since I am Pakistani.

American shows wise I am all about Big Bang Theory.

That being said, I totally can understand and see where you're coming from, as far as "bad guys" getting the girl and her falling in love with him, sometimes the guy even changing for his lady love.

The shows are definitely there and in retrospect I can say, I personally fail to see them/recognize them, because I don't tune in to them. Only shows that hold proper social messages or ones where my personal thoughts and the storyline align, are the shows I tune in to, and that is probably why I didn't realize these shows were out there.

That being said, and I wrote this on the MauHaan AT last weekend, but Pakistani shows have been fairly consistent this past year or so on showing women leaving their no good husband (vs. taking him back to keep the family united - Dida style), but for sure Koi Chand Rakh that ended last week for us, was the first of its kind to show the wife not only leave her husband, but openly love/accept the man who had silently loved her for years, so that was a huge win for us, media wise, in my opinion.

And overall I will say, do you guys remember Aamir Khan's show on taboo topics? Satyamev Jayate? He did a show once where he talked about how irresponsible ITV/Bollywood is when showing their hero's. How even if they show a guy just constantly telling a girl he loves her, grabbing her wrist, etc., and eventually the girl gives in, it sends such a bad image to our youth who assume that harassing a girl will eventually lead to her loving you. I loved that episode.

Also reminds me of Ae Dil Hai Mushkil, where Ayan just cannot take no as an answer. It doesn't make sense, Alizeh not loving him, but it's her choice and she shouldn't be harassed for it.

But that is a whole other can of worms.


Edited by ritzbitz786 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ritzbitz786


Ah fair!

I watch a handful of serials to begin with and the only ITV ones I have seen are: Kis Desh Mein Hai Mera Dil, Qayamat, Bade Ache Lagthe Hain, Geet Hui Sabse Paraye, MadhuBala, Dharam Patni, Tere Liye, Dil Se Di Dua, Beyadh (on/off), Bepannah, and now Silsila.

I tend to watch Pakistani drama serials quite a bit, since I am Pakistani.

American shows wise I am all about Big Bang Theory.

That being said, I totally can understand and see where you're coming from, as far as "bad guys" getting the girl and her falling in love with him, sometimes the guy even changing for his lady love.

The shows are definitely there and in retrospect I can say, I personally fail to see them/recognize them, because I don't tune in to them. Only shows that hold proper social messages or ones where my personal thoughts and the storyline align, are the shows I tune in to, and that is probably why I didn't realize these shows were out there.

That being said, and I wrote this on the MauHaan AT last weekend, but Pakistani shows have been fairly consistent this past year or so on showing women leaving their no good husband (vs. taking him back to keep the family united - Dida style), but for sure Koi Chand Rakh that ended last week for us, was the first of its kind to show the wife not only leave her husband, but openly love/accept the man who had silently loved her for years, so that was a huge win for us, media wise, in my opinion.

And overall I will say, do you guys remember Aamir Khan's show on taboo topics? Satyamev Jayate? He did a show once where he talked about how irresponsible ITV/Bollywood is when showing their hero's. How even if they show a guy just constantly telling a girl he loves her, grabbing her wrist, etc., and eventually the girl gives in, it sends such a bad image to our youth who assume that harassing a girl will eventually lead to her loving you. I loved that episode.

Also reminds me of Ae Dil Hai Mushkil, where Ayan just cannot take no as an answer. It doesn't make sense, Alizeh not loving him, but it's her choice and she shouldn't be harassed for it.

But that is a whole other can of worms.



I also haven't seen too many shows. I just somehow know what's going on in shows because of IF and other media outlets. The only shows I have seriously followed after I grew up/my personality developed are IPKKND (rewatched on HS), Swaragini, Tashan-E-Ishq, Aisi Deewangi DNK, DHTH, and now Silsila. And tbh I have never watched a single show from start to finish. I usually only tune in if I find a show's plot interesting and I tune out as soon as I lose interest.

I hated ADHM.


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: NainoMeinSapna


I also haven't seen too many shows. I just somehow know what's going on in shows because of IF and other media outlets. The only shows I have seriously followed after I grew up/my personality developed are IPKKND (rewatched on HS), Swaragini, Tashan-E-Ishq, Aisi Deewangi DNK, DHTH, and now Silsila. And tbh I have never watched a single show from start to finish. I usually only tune in if I find a show's plot interesting and I tune out as soon as I lose interest.

I hated ADHM.



Agreed, and I want to say that is why it did poorly at the box office (ADHM).


I agree Loosey, now that you mention it, that there is a demographic who loves seeing bad guys with a girl and think harassment is somehow the intensity of love.

But then we have to step back and think, who is responsible for planting this image in their mind? Could it have been avoided via ITV? And I think it definitely could have.

That is actually one reason why I was never an Ekta fan. Her ML's not matter how endearing, always had one slapping scene, where he slapped the FL. Hated it.

Sad to see that now in 2019, there are still shows like this.

Bollywood I want to say has taken a turn for the responsible. Hope ITV does too, soon.

And regarding ADHM Sapna, bro. don't even get me started and then add in KJo's commentary 2 weeks ago, and my blood boiled, literally 😡
Edited by ritzbitz786 - 6 years ago
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ritzbitz786


Agreed, and I want to say that is why it did poorly at the box office (ADHM).


I agree Loosey, now that you mention it, that there is a demographic who loves seeing bad guys with a girl and think harassment is somehow the intensity of love.

But then we have to step back and think, who is responsible for planting this image in their mind? Could it have been avoided via ITV? And I think it definitely could have.

That is actually one reason why I was never an Ekta fan. Her ML's not matter how endearing, always had one slapping scene, where he slapped the FL. Hated it.

Sad to see that now in 2019, there are still shows like this.

Bollywood I want to say has taken a turn for the responsible. Hope ITV does too, soon.

And regarding ADHM Sapna, bro. don't even get me started and then add in KJo's commentary 2 weeks ago, and my blood boiled, literally 😡


What did he say?

Bollywood has definitely promoted and romanticized staring and harassing girls in the past. But they still have a long way to go. Remember Badrinath ki Dulhaniya? And Half Girlfriend? 🤢 I haven't seen Zero, but I heard ML in that was a piece of crap also.




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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: NainoMeinSapna


What did he say?

Bollywood has definitely promoted and romanticized staring and harassing girls in the past. But they still have a long way to go. Remember Badrinath ki Dulhaniya? And Half Girlfriend? 🤢 I haven't seen Zero, but I heard ML in that was a piece of crap also.


Badrinath's ending truly made up for everything, his dialogues and newfound respect.

Half Girlfriend 🤢

Zero, also 🤢

Will PM you with KJo's comments
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ritzbitz786


Badrinath's ending truly made up for everything, his dialogues and newfound respect.

Half Girlfriend 🤢

Zero, also 🤢

Will PM you with KJo's comments


Some people just need to retire from Bollywood altogether TBH. 😛

Yeh conversation kahaan se kahaan aagaya? 😆
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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: NainoMeinSapna


Some people just need to retire from Bollywood altogether TBH. 😛

Yeh conversation kahaan se kahaan aagaya? 😆


😆

I mean it's still on topic na? Networks/shows being more responsible about the images/messages they put out, in their storylines.


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Posted: 6 years ago
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Originally posted by: ritzbitz786


😆

I mean it's still on topic na? Networks/shows being more responsible about the images/messages they put out, in their storylines.



True but we just got so serious. 😆

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