Episode 211: RIP Ambhiraj - Page 4

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Pata hai poras ka budget 5 crore ka tha

Radha krishna ka 150 crore ka

Originally posted by: deepikagupta9

Serial khatam kab hoga

Originally posted by: inlieu

I don't know if Alexander will marry Barsine to control the Persian empire, because he already rules over it. It is morely like he will use this political marriage to stop revolts that are time and resource consuming and ensure continuing loyalty of the Farsi army and people.

I agree with you about Roxanne not having the pedigree that Barsine did, but as you said before love is blind and Alexander's obsession with her made him tune everything out. Same thing has happened with Alexander on the show. He has made some stupid decisions just because of his desire to impress Roxanne. A perfectly sensible man like him is distracted and will continue to be so. Perhaps the real and Sony Alexander both thought that their military power was strong enough to conquer Persia without needing a political marriage, as one of the main goals was to avenge the Persians for all the atrocities they had been committing against the Greeks for a long long time.

If the real Roxanne hadn't gone and killed his other wives soon after his death, he may have had a chance of a continuing legacy, but I doubt anyone could have prevented the wars of the Diadochi that destroyed things and eventually led to the end of his line. Seleucus, on the other hand, became very powerful because he made smart decisions. He marriage to Apama, a Persian, was very successful both romantically and politically and he was able to ensure his legacy continued through his daughter in some form even with the alliance with Chandragupta.

The main problem with the way Alexander conquered lands was that he went very fast, never staying in one place for too long or spending much time on administration himself. He did not name an heir or leave behind explicit instructions on how to run his empire. If he had, I am inclined to think his generals would have respected his wishes to a great extent. The empire that was built on power was also broken up soon after his death due to power struggles. His charisma and personality alone held everything together and the moment he was gone, lands were carved up and his successors did not have his vision. No one was quite like him, and I often wonder if his son would have turned out to be like him had he lived long enough. From what I have read about the last few years of his life, it seems as if he did not plan or invest too much in setting the stage for his offspring. It is indeed tragic that he did not live long enough to be a father and hand down his legacy to his children the way Philip had with him.

I too am interested to see what Ambhikumar does next. I still remember what he told Laachi about not being as obsessive about patriotism as Porus and her, but still he displayed good sense when he could and had the courage to stand up against his father. As I had said in my previous post, I am concerned that the CVs might not give him enough screen time for us to see him going through the conflict that is inevitable. One thing is true though, the way his character has been shown so far, he can either side with Porus or go against him (which may or may not automatically mean providing Alexander support), but whatever he decides to do it will be convincing either way.

As for Alexander winning India if he hadn't been distracted by Barsine, perhaps in the Sony version, yes, if the CVs had let him have a single victory instead of making it look like he's forgotten how to strategize or battle. Also, the show makes it seems as if Bharat = PR + Dasyulok + Taxila, which may have been conquerable, considering Magadh and other major kingdoms haven't been shown. In real life though, this was not the case at all.

Thank you Prem for bringing these points out. I have enjoyed reading your thoughts very much. 😃

Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Inlieu,

I am with you on all of this, bar the last para.

As for Porus, the problem is that his supporters WANT a lily white character, like the traditional hero in the old films. They would be uncomfortable with a complex, street smart, devious Porus of the kind Chanakya would have wanted.

So, when Porus IS devious, as when he makes a night raid on the Farsi camp, or when Bamni lays a trap over a chasm for Alexander to fall into, or when Porus drags Olympias to the edge of a cliff, threatens Alexander with her death, and demands Ambhiraj as the ransom for Olympias, in true kidnapper style, they are flummoxed and dismayed.

But this doesn't make them criticise Porus, as I did with Alexander after the bull and the Ambhikumar episodes, and the way he treated Ambhikumar's mother. Except, to some extent, my dear Surbhi, whose innate sense of justice struggles with her loyalties and preferences.

Here lies the crux of the problem. And the reason for their repeated retreats to condemning Alexander on moral grounds and blanking out the dubious things Porus does, even while claiming total moral superiority.

There is no point in saying thar Alexander does it, so why not Porus? If Porus is to be a lily white, flawless, piece of perfection, it follows that he has to be held to the highest standards. And when he fails, he has to be condemned, just as I condemned Alexander and dubbed Olympias a monster.

To come to your final para, I find it strange that you, with your energetic quartet, feel that you need breathing space. Why? You are in an overwhelming majority in this pathetic excuse for a forum. Why would you feel boxed in? I can think of perfectly good reasons for you to quit the forum, but this is not one of them!

Yes, I have heard complaints that the PR group does not want to participate in the forum because of the overwhelming presence of the Alexander group. Which seems to me less than convincing.

Team Alexander has never been more than 8 strong, and there was nothing to prevent the PR group from starting a lot of threads in which they could praise Porus. But such threads are very rare. Surbhi started a couple, in which I was the main responder. Deepthi (daphnejasmine) wrote one, but she did not even come back to it to respond to such comments as there were.

I don't know about what happened during the first four months, but this is what I have seen since I came in on March 31 last. It could not have been much better seeing that till.today, this forum has only 78 pages, of which almost half must be due to luckysnow's frenetic thread opening!

The Jodha Akbar forum, which is still alive and kicking over three years since the show ended, has over 1800 pages! When I was there, it already had over a 1000 pages. There were always strong conflicts between the Jodhaphiles (80%) and the Jalalphiles, but neither quit. They stayed and propounded their respective views vigorously

There is no point complaining that you are crowded out when you don't exert yourself. Or state that you know nothing about history. When you watch a historical, one should try to gain at least a modicum of knowledge about the period and the happenings it deals with. The net is there for those who don't want to plough through books.

I wanted a different Porus and, of late, a different Alexander. I quit because I could not stand what was on offer. But so long aa I was there, despite my preference for Rohit's Alexander, I did try to be objective, and slammed him when I hated what he did. The same for Porus, though I wrote very little about him.

If we could all have striven for a reasonable level of objectivity, we could have had wonderful discussions in a lively, non-confrontational forum. But that was not to be, more is the pity.

Well, I am exhausted .This is it for today and probably tomorrow.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Thanks for your posts that keep the forum running

I do not think they should have got Chankya on this show or even a CGM

Even a Roxanne is a waste on this show actually

Originally posted by: inlieu

Prem,

This is why the web/digital space is growing really fast for Indian series. People feel they have more creative freedom as they are not restricted by TRPs or the pressure to product 200+ episodes when the story is not able to go that far. Writers can often explore characters with any kind of shade(s) they want and can rely on this to be portrayed without butchering them. Also, platforms like Netflix vet projects carefully before investing in them. If there isn't a good enough story/script, they won't come on board.

Aside from Bamni and Anusuya, there was no chemistry between any other pair on the show, and even there the CVs kept those two separate for so long with all sorts of politics and other obstacles. Because these two weren't given the title of the typical lead couple, people didn't focus on their loves story or go far enough into writing fan fiction for them.

Dasyuraj and Dasyurani never got enough footage but in the final scenes you could tell the strength of their bond. What a shame this was never explored because they were not given much more importance in the show except to fuel revenge tracks and now for Dasyuraj to be a sort of general of Porus'.

Porus and Laachi were companions since childhood and their relationship was always just there in the background. No spark there whatsoever. I don't think they needed fireworks in their relationship but we didn't even see a slow-burning flame there, not what we expect from the hero's love story. Frankly, it just lacked the depth and passion and has always felt almost platonic to me. Both sets of parents had better love stories than they did. 😆

Ambhiraj did not seem to be interested in romance much and he was an authoritarian sort of husband anyway. Alka just had to put up with what he did and said. 😕

Philip and Olympias showed us a volatile and bitter relationship, but at least that was fleshed out till the end. She didn't have any lovers or that would have been an interesting aspect of her personality, but no her son was the only person she cared about.

Also, people seem to love the takraar phir pyaar angle a lot, which the CVs failed to accomplish with Alexander and Roxanne. Their interactions have improved only slightly in recent episodes but they missed the boat when they failed to create the right impact when it was necessary early on. They couldn't keep Roxanne fiery for too long and she is well on her way to becoming a dutiful wife.

With Jodha Akbar there was heaps of emotional and philosophical conflict between the couple and the fans loved it. In order to achieve this though, they had to distort history and make Ruqaiyyah a vamp and Jodha his only love, which was not even true and fizzled out after a while (though it lasted long enough for the CVs to milk it).

Lastly, this show was never meant to be about a love story or to give importance to love stories, but how much war and battle can you show without boring the audience, that too when the fight sequences have been sub-standard of late? Audiences want to see the emotional side of characters but even here the CVs have categorized things into black or white to dumb things down.

Originally posted by: myviewprem

True Porus was not a love story

But people on indian shows want love stories only

Whether nagin or mythology or history all work for love story whether in real it was there or not

Even imaginary love story of history figures is fine

So serial should have shown a great love story

Actually here there are four love stories

Porus and lachi childhood love

Bamini and Anusya love hate love

Alexander and Roxanne one sided love

Alexander and Barisine hate hate love

Alexander-Barisine-Roxanne love triangle

Ambikumar-Lachi-Porus love triangle

Barsine- Porus-Alexander triangle

If only they had started with love stories this serial would have become a hit

In between show some politics too and war like Jodha Akbar

CVs missed a great opportunity

Another thing CVs must do make leads meet within a week of serial start

They stretch childhood and hence viewers run off

Than they show lead after a month or so tough to get viewers back