Sameer & Naina as Friends Again! NOT POSSIBLE

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Hi forum wasis, got some free time now. Sunday night. So, thought about writing down some points. Any way I am just tired writing for journals whole day. They are so boring. But writing on human emotions of love, hate and friendship always tugs the right strings to make you active and awake.

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There seems to be a lot of theories floating around on the probable resolution to the ongoing track of forced separation. (I say forced as I feel its indeed forced to certain extent).

Anyways, here are some of the floaters I read in the forum: (I have no idea if those are true spoilers or imaginary shooters)
  1. Chachaji somehow saves Naina from immediate marriage predicament. Naina is again in-debt to him. Delves further in to study. Sameer decides to get her back and the best approach is that he tries to start "JUST FRIENDSHIP" with Naina and eventually Naina again Falls for him.
  2. Naina meets the prospective groom at a coffee shop. Incidentally Sameer is also there with his family to celebrate his Mamiji's B day. Naina sees Sameer.
    • May be then either Sameer gets the shock to come out of Beard Mode to again get his Naina. Or,
    • Seeing Sameer and his condition Naina finally realizes that she can be with no other man sharing the same room and life.
I do not know whats going to be the approach of the writers (considering the TRPs and the channel).

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However, here are some of my modest observations:

Scenario 1 - Sameer & Naina as Friends - Again!

(Whats the difference between friendship & love)

A friend is some one:

1. With whom you can spend hours and days but when you sleep or are alone you do not crave for him/her. Its like breathing, you keep doing it 24x7 but you do not feel it always consciously.

2. The moment you are alone or sleep, you just go to your peace land, without any conscious thoughts of any one. You have no cravings for any particular friend.

3. You do not feel warm thinking of any one of your friend. You do not crave for him or her. If you feel the need of hormone induced hunger, you remember some distant unknown crush like a movie star, actor or actress. Even if you feel attracted to any one friend physically, you do not feel the Warmth of protection along side attraction for him/her.

4. You do not wake up with the hunger to meet any one friend in particular, or to do some thing special to make any one particular person happy.

5. You feel happy for your friend, but you do not feel like you have achieved everything in life seeing any particular one smiling.

6. You do not feel pangs and hurts of jealousy seeing any one particular talking or interacting with any other boy or girl.

And Love ...

When you feel you are going contrary to all the points mentioned above for any one particular friend, then you can be sure that you have crossed the level of friendship with that friend.

Your mind, body and being will revolve around that friend. You feel protection, passion, attraction and longing for him/her to accept you something more than a friend. Your decisions will revolve around that friend.

You feel jealousy, hurt & anger running though you when you see that one particular friend talking and interacting with another boy or girl - a bit more longer than you can withstand.

And when that friend, also reciprocates to you with the same feelings and intensity, then friendship is long over. Its Love!. Deep and Passionate Love!

It is never possible to get back to that friendship zone when your mind, body and soul craves for that friend with emotional and physical intimacy. You sole purpose is to shower love and get love. (in all its forms)

Considering the entire current scenario, Sameer deciding to just be friends with Naina and Naina accepting to be that ... Its not possible and very un 90's.

And Sameer has to be Naina's friend for what ? To dance at her marriage ceremony with some other guy 😆 or Naina clicking photo with Sameer and His Wife in Sameer's marriage reception.

That is not 90s story. That becomes the 21st century love story.

After all that has happened, if Sameer and Naina has to be friends again to do what ? Realize each other importance in life? To again falling in love, once more? Feeling strong emotions for each other ? They have and already done all these aspects. They are already united at multiple levels.

So, showing a friendship phase again will be stale. With some slo mo rehashed romantic scenes (No doubt we all will love the romance scenes) that really serves no purpose. Friendship is required to build till the point of love.

However, at this stage, use of friendship so that Naina again falls in love or realizes Sameer's importance in regards to marriage and future - is pointless.

If she still has to realize "Sameer's Shadi Wala Pyar" then friendship track is not real enough. Its very Soapy.

If Naina still needs to realize the value of Sameer (as the steady rock to her future with whom she should put efforts to make a future), if Naina still needs to realize that he is worth the effort, If Naina still needs to relize that she needs to gather courage to fight along side Sameer for their future, then,

it is time for Sameer Baba to change his track towards Su-Naina😆. She definitely seems to carry "Shadi Wala Attraction" for Sameer.

Scenario 2 - Naina with another guy at restaurant and her feelings seeing Sameer or Sameer's reaction seeing her

Naina Feels Pity

I hope we do not get it that way. I guess none of us would like to see Sameer getting back Naina in his life because She felt pity seeing the condition of Sameer. The dignity and pride of Sameer's character needs to be restored.

Naina realizes that she cannot be close to any second man ditching Sameer from her side

Though I personally do not prefer, yet it can be the most preferable and viable solution.

Naina's mind and body won't allow her to think of any other man. She will cringe at the thought of any other man touching her and getting close to her.

And then she sees Sameer at the restaurant and sees him trying to get along with the day with the help of his family.

When the prospective groom tries to initiate a hand hold, she relizes that the mess she has created and the pain she has given to him and herself.

The perceived pain she was trying to save Sameer from, she has given him that much amount of pain and more. She also relizes that she can never be emotionally and physically intimate with any other man but Sameer.

She refuses the marriage. She decides to get back the love she has let go.

But it should not be made easy for her.

Due to her knee jerk, unilateral and unfair decision, Sameer has changed.

She realizes that due to her decision Sameer is extremely hurt which has changed him. He might love her but he is now indifferent to her and back to being the hard shell he was. He is like a stone like before trying to move away from anymore betrayal to his emotions.

Naina should now feel the real desperation of losing Sameer and his "Shadi Wala Pyaar" (not the sacrificing proud sadness she felt when she left Sameer for his good - to retain the family name).

Hence, it should be Naina's redemption track where she not only has to put efforts to gain Sameer's trust again but she also gets strong enough to Face her family and Sameer's family to be with Sameer.

That for me will make a justified viewing.

Rest, you all dedicated fandom will know the best.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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What an beautiful post say ur post are always insightful
Can't comment the previous one Bec never been in relationship so have no idea about the experience ND RED FLAG but yes have watch many couple freinds got separated due to RED FLAG ingnoramce ND sadly it's many cases it's the boy who blamed inspite the girl being the real culprit .

Being a girl me too feel ..not always a boy is wrong . Or he is solely responsible ..for fall out of a relationship unless the boy is really serious ND of great nature ND heart ..it's girl also who can be the culprit

Coming back to this post


I agree to each point u noted

Exactly this just friend concept is just out of my brain .don't know what makers are thinking but this is the so let's welcome the so called Liberty ..

U have wrote everything which was going in my mind since the Freinds tag spoiler comes out

Really pray there will be no any stupid under the name of creativity ND liberity

After coming so far they can't me back being just friend higly illogical ND almost make no sense ..


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Nice post Doc...u deeply analyse the scenarios
Regarding friend zone lets story unfold in the episodes ...I think it will be only for others not for self
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: PritiSC

Nice post Doc...u deeply analyse the scenarios

Regarding friend zone lets story unfold in the episodes ...I think it will be only for others not for self


I have no idea.

However, the "Just Friendship" with such a passionate history.

Not very 90s. In any case all their friends know about them. It should not be stretchy.

I would like to see Naina's redemption of sorts, her gathering courage and also "Putting Real Efforts" and struggle to get back to Sameer.

Sameer should not run around behind Naina anymore after this 440 Volt shock by her. It is Naina who has to do all the running now. 😆

Thanks for commenting.
Edited by Dr.Don - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Really a very nice post doc. The way you analyze small small things are really interesting. As of now being friends can't be possible even I feel the same after reaching to a level of acceptance and intimacy they cant become friends again. But as the show has been unpredictable always we never know what will happen.
We have to just wait for the episodes to be aired. Now efforts should be only from naina end and I even don't want sameer to give in easily as the way he has been suffering because of one sided decision I feel so.
More over he hadn't got the love he craved for fully and permanently. His nanu left him in the middle and his mom was understanding him and pouring love still they are separated in between and naina did the same.
So it will not be easy for any person to handle it or accept it so easily. The situation sameer is in is due to all these scenarios and the thing most affected him was being away from naina whom he thought will never leave him under any circumstances. When nanu left the world naina was there with him to support him.
Now there are so many people around him friends and family but he is not able to come out of her. That itself states how much deeply he loves her. He might have appeared less serious when compared to naina but I feel he loves her more deeply beyond the world.
Hoping that CVS won't come up with any friendship drama. We have to wait and watch.
As usual it's a well analyzed post and thanks for the post doc.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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You should stop equating every story with your personal experiences.
U might be older than me or even experienced, but i have seen a lot of lovers who went all the way upto.marriage talks yet broke up for various reasons remain friends even today.
No two stories are same, no two relationships arw same.

There are friends who turned into lovers , there are lovers who turned into friends. It's all upto the person's ability to move on or change relationship dynamics.
In human relationships, there are no absolute rules. Everything is relative here
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Originally posted by: Samaina12

You should stop equating every story with your personal experiences.

U might be older than me or even experienced, but i have seen a lot of lovers who went all the way upto.marriage talks yet broke up for various reasons remain friends even today.
No two stories are same, no two relationships arw same.

There are friends who turned into lovers , there are lovers who turned into friends. It's all upto the person's ability to move on or change relationship dynamics.
In human relationships, there are no absolute rules. Everything is relative here



Whoa !!! Chill down !!!

I haven't mentioned any thing about my experience here.

Even if I do, I do not think I am in any way trespassing the border of your thoughts. I haven't mentioned anything related to you. Please understand, you have all the right to like or not like my posts or comments. However, you cannot or should not pass any judgement on what should or what I should not relate to when I write my posts.

Just like I am no one to have an opinion on you, you are also immaterial and non exsistant to suggest what I should connect to or not.

In life everything is relative. Even you raising the point. As you directly pointed out my story - let me put this straight - Hypothetically, can you attend you're Bfs marriage within a month of breaking up or after a month of him saying you "hey listen! Please move away from my life". (Do not take it personally, it's just as assumption)

You may attend his reception or you may not. If some of your friends did something similar... it does not mean you could or could not. If you do attend your Ex BF's marriage (who unfairly gave you a lot of pain by not letting you at least be prepared mentally for what was he going to do) and wish him & his wife happy married life - I applaud you. Very few can do that 👏 If you cannot as you feel betrayed and belittled then I understand you.

The opinion you have now won't be there when you personally face a situation. People assume that they know how to react but none does as expected when it comes to love or teenage love.

I just made a general view that once you get that much emotionally involved it takes a considerable time to make the necessary mental modifications.

The post was making friendship overlooking the deep love Sameer & Naina have in their Soul.

The post was about when friendship turns to love.

In any case, what you said is relative as you said. Your opinions will change depending on the scenarios. However, mark my words miss, when I equate anything to my experience, I state it emphatically. You can check all my posts.

We all learn from experiences from each other and I am happy to share mine without resorting to negativity.

I always try to put forth points that will make teenagers think and ponder when they are facing the issues of love and break up as the age is tender and mind is fickle.

In all my posts, there is just pointers regarding human emotions that you can just mark and be aware. I never say they are absolute. I never say that this is what is right. But they are pointers. Or may be you are just a superficial reader, reading few words and guessing/presuming what the writer has written.

And, as your said it's all relative 😆 Hope you get the point of relativity now.
Edited by Dr.Don - 7 years ago
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Hi doctor,
Since long I wanted to interact you but didn't get time. Now I got some free time apart from taking care of my thread.😆

Actually someone had mentioned on my thread that there was another male (apart from me 😆) who was active at beginning referring to you and then your story thread had popped up, I did read your story maybe a month ago and thought to share my views later thinking you have vanished under the woods 😆...so I was not in hurry to register my presence over there.

But you re-appeared and glad to meet you.Will share my views on your story later, but for that I have to read it again.😆


Anyways,I avoid spoilers so I didn't read your intro abt spoilers but I understood your post as a whole and it is a well analysed one.

This
"Hence, it should be Naina's redemption track where she not only has to put efforts to gain Sameer's trust again but she also gets strong enough to Face her family and Sameer's family to be with Sameer."


Exact same feeling, and many on my daily episodic discussion thread are of same view that like post Mt.Abu now it's Naina's turn to go for redemption.
She did what Sam had done to her in Mt.Abu and hence she should put maximum efforts to gain his trust.
but for that she should know what she has actually done to him, confrontation didn't serve the purpose, wonder what it will be?
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Originally posted by: -Ross-

Hi doctor,

Since long I wanted to interact you but didn't get time. Now I got some free time apart from taking care of my thread.😆

Actually someone had mentioned on my thread that there was another male (apart from me 😆) who was active at beginning referring to you and then your story thread had popped up, I did read your story maybe a month ago and thought to share my views later thinking you have vanished under the woods 😆...so I was not in hurry to register my presence over there.

But you re-appeared and glad to meet you.Will share my views on your story later, but for that I have to read it again.😆


Anyways,I avoid spoilers so I didn't read your intro abt spoilers but I understood your post as a whole and it is a well analysed one.

This
"Hence, it should be Naina's redemption track where she not only has to put efforts to gain Sameer's trust again but she also gets strong enough to Face her family and Sameer's family to be with Sameer."


Exact same feeling, and many on my daily episodic discussion thread are of same view that like post Mt.Abu now it's Naina's turn to go for redemption.
She did what Sam had done to her in Mt.Abu and hence she should put maximum efforts to gain his trust.
but for that she should know what she has actually done to him, confrontation didn't serve the purpose, wonder what it will be?


Hey Ross,

Thanks for commenting.

It's nice to see another POV from the male section of the viewers. The forum is full with amazing women power in producing some excellent writing stuffs (many which I yet have to read due to time constraints, but have bookmarked many).

Regarding my OS, I posted it long back, October 2017. After that there have been many professional commitments requiring me to travel a lot. As I am relatively free for next two months, so thought about writing some posts.

Writing for people who read also improves the vocabulary.

By the way, you mentioned a thread of yours. If you can share the link, I would love to have a look at the thread.

Regarding the spoilers:

I do not know if they are true spoilers or not. I came across those in the forum. And I did not like the spoilers. Hope the story does not follow that. Specially the Just Friend Zone.

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You stated - Relation of Mt. Abu Incidence by Sameer to What Naina did currently

I feel that you are right in doing so.

Mt. Abu was the turning point for Sameer. There he betrayed a girls love, reputation and dedication. Which is a sin in my view.

But he owned up to that Sin. He felt the mistake he committed. He felt the guilt of what he did. He felt the pain of Naina. He cried for turning a joyful girl in to a stone. He feared that because of him Naina will never love or believe in love.

And he set out to correct that mistake.

He went through a lot of pain, insults, slaps, hard work & mental torture to do all he can to make Naina believe in love again. And finally he did succeed.

What has Naina done now is quiet similar to what Sameer did in Mt.Abu in regards to the pain and questions that Naina's action has left Sameer with.

I have no idea how Sameer will react now? From the VO it seems that Sameer will again try his best to get Naina in his life. However, I personally would not prefer this approach.

Why?

Sameer & Naina must be together, but this time the Onus is on Naina.

Naina was the one who was always fixed on and even tested Sameer for "Shadi Wala Pyaar". She very well knows that Sameer has that "Shadi Wala Pyaar" for her.

Inspite of having all she wanted from Sameer, she took the decision to cut all the ties off in one jerk. (As she was afraid of family reaction) I do not know about show, but in real life it dents the trust factor of any boy/girl depending on who is in the situation.

There will be so many questions of confusion for Sameer. (or any one in his position). His belief that Naina is always with him is broken. He was hammered with the statements that he is insignificant compared to others in her life. He is expendable. He can be erased, even if Naina is hurting. He has no say in the thing. One moment she was in the bliss of his love and next moment she removed him from her life. It pains her but not enough that she cannot withstand it. Sameer will feel and question himself where he went wrong?

These are the questions which every boy or girl in the Sameer situation will definitely face. And he/she won't get the answers as their significant other has passed the sentence.

Hence, if Sameer and Naina (or any real life couple) have to get back together, then the foremost Onus lies with Naina (or the one who made such a rash decision unilaterally) to go through the journey of redemption.

Naina needs to redempt herself. She needs to gather courage to face people. She needs to gather strength to stand next to Sameer. However, before that she will need to gain Sameer's trust (like Sameer gained her trust after Mt Abu).

Sameer (or equivalent real life person) will have immense fear and mistrust to trust Naina or the partner. Sameer will become a stone not to be hurt again. He will be afraid that Naina will again ditch him, when the time comes to be strong (as she has herself stated that she is afraid to stand against people).

"Hence, it should be Naina's redemption track where she not only has to put efforts to gain Sameer's trust again but she also gets strong enough to Face her family and Sameer's family to be with Sameer."

But as you pointed out, for all this to happen Naina first needs to realize the extent of damage she has done to Sameer.

Thanks for sharing your points.
Edited by Dr.Don - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Completely agree! Just friends in a scenario like is would be just plain stupid and not possible. And why should Sameer be forced to pretend or try to accept that he is find with Naina moving on with her life. Just not done! And an extremely alien concept in 90s.

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