How exactly is this fighting for right?

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I am so confused regarding Zara's character. She wants to stay with the chauvenistic pig that Kabeer Ahmed is and piss him every alternate day through her actions for women empowerment? This man just gave her a talaq, that is not a matter of joke and in she comes and wants to work on her relationship with him while he is not even remotely interested!

From Islamic perspective they are going through the period of iddat where Zara is not completely divorced but she is not married either, I don't understand why the CVs are handling this situation in this manner. She has every right to stay in her husband's house during this period but has no rights over him and neither does he have any rights on her. They are expected to stay in separate rooms as they cannot have any sexual relations. In the event, they end up having sex, the talaq will have become moot and void. If during this period of iddat the husband chooses to take the wife back, he needs to verbally tell her that he takes her back (this is called ruju) in front of two witnesses just like he gave her talaq in front of two witnesses. In the event he does not take her back within these three months, their divorce is finalized. He can say talaq another two times over the course of two months in front of witnesses but he doesn't need to, as long as he doesn't take her back, they will be divorced by the end of three months. The court has banned triple talaq, not talaq itself (which falls under Sharia law) so Zara staying in Kabeer's room and pretending as if nothing happened it just wrong. Even if she wants to work on her marriage, being a Muslim, she should stay in a separate room and try to woo Kabeer, the CVs should really research on talaq before showing whatever they want to show.

Secondly, as a woman, I can't accept that Zara fighting back actually means running after her husband who literally threw her away like a toilet paper. I think for two people to coexist together, both need to make some adjustments. I personally felt that Zara in her quest to get women their rights, put her marriage in the backseat. There is nothing wrong with that, people don't always need to prioritize their marriage above everything else but she should at least accept to herself that her marriage or Kabeer's feelings are less important to her than her values. If that is the case then why is she even trying to make this marriage work at the cost of her self-respect knowing that not a single value of hers and Kabeer's matches? She is confident and has no intention of changing herself and has seen that Kabeer is the same and yet she is neither willing to give up on her marriage nor on her ideology but everyday she is giving up a bit on her self-respect. No matter what, I could not digest Zara giving statement against her husband in Sharia board: it was very disturbing for me. Up until then I supported Zara for her fight for right but she could easily have refused to give a statement, as a human being that is her right, as a wife that is her right, but she didn't. Instead she made it seem like she would do some gunah (an activity which deserves punishment in the eyes of Allah) if she did not testify against him. Allah allows husband and wife to testify against each other in a court of law but it is not mandatory that they do so, it is just that if they require to do so, they should not feel guilty about it. Kabeer refusing to lead the prayer was od course wrong but was it absolutely necessary for Zara to testify against him? Was it necessary for Irfan to put her in the spot? Where there no other women or men who would be able to testify against him? It had to be either Zara or his mom? I don't know if divorce is too rash an action on Kabeer's part or not, but both Kabeer and Zara have every reason to be very pissed off at each other at the moment, I don't know why Zara is behaving like this. Kabeer actually had his wife testify against him: if I put myself in his place I can literally hear my heart breaking to pieces.

It hurts my self respect as a woman to see Zara trying to patch up with him after he has given her a divorce and left her at her parents place. Before he had given a divorce, Zara was of the attitude that he had left her and he had to come to take her back. Which to me made perfect sense but then after her sharia board stunt of testifying against him, I felt she had wronged him to such an extent as a wife that she should initiate fixing the relationship but she chose not to. Kabeer did not wrong her by refusing to offer prayer, he opposed every women's right to pray there, she was never the target. But she stood against Kabeer when she testified and not against his ideology.Something like this can actually lead to a divorce in real life. But Zara actually thought that Kabeer would come to take her after all this and decked up as a bride! What sort of a bubble does she live in? Had the situation been reversed, had Kabeer caused her permanent damage in her workplace or social circle because of her ideological difference with him, would she be all mushy mushy with him? I have no idea what was she thinking or expecting! She was all high and mighty and queen of the world who thought that her husband should come and sweep her off her feet after all the mess that has happened between them. But then when he instead treated her like a tissue paper, it didn't hurt her self-respect at all to return to this house by herself. And not just that, to actually behave with Kabeer as if no problem has occured between them. She is now trying to pacify him for testifying against him in court after he has wronged her so grossly that she does not even have a way back to him unless he chooses to take her back!

From a religious perspective Zara was wrong today and so was every member of the family who allowed her to go back to that room instead of arranging a separate room for her. For a woman's perspective, grovelling after someone who has literally thrown you away is just disturbing and in no way anything to do with a woman's fight for right.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I was under the impression that she will go there and give him a piece of her mind. Shout scold even slap him and vowed to keep this marriage intact until her final breath. What he did, he isn't even feeling guilty about it, she should have told him that he has no right to destroy her life and expect her to forget everything.
I really wanted an angry confrontation!

But... again we see the starry eyed zara ready to woo her husband who is being let off easily. I love kabeer but sometimes he really hurts me because he doesn't regard the feelings of those around him and he is somewhat oblivious to the threats to their marriage - the numerous villains roaming freely around the house.

I wanted a sort of revengeful zara, I know I'm probably the only one who wanted this. But she should make him understand that she isn't the same girl who was head or heels in love with him. And that even though her love was true this time he will have to earn it!

Zara please don't let him off that easily it's not fair to you!

P.s I've only watched half of the episode

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I was hoping that Zara would go to kabir's house and say that they are not divorced. And there she will stay in the house until they become divorced. And she will leave the house after getting divorce...
Zara is a confusing girl to be honest.. she talked all about living without Kabir and not going back until he comes to get her, then when things didn't go the way she wants, in fact went totally wrong, she is trying to get back with Kabir.. like does she not have any real self respect? Ok what she did is wrong by giving a statement against Kabir. She shouldn't have done that. But without discussing divorce with her, e gets mad and decides to kick her out of his life as if it is not her life also. His decision affects her future also. But after getting the divorce, how can she just run after him?? What did she think? That if she tries to woo him, Kabir will just accept her? That is wrong. She should have asked for a divorce also. But since between them no triple talaq can take place, she should said to his face that she is not interested in living with him either and would like to get divorced from him legally.

So I have a question... I'm not Muslim... but In Islam when a husband and wife wants to get divorced, do they not go to a court and sign divorce papers with a lawyer??? Like about saying divorce three times then the 3 month period and all.. but like do they never actually sign divorce papers legally in court???
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I also found Zaras character degraded in today's episode as everyone ignored her but she persistently tried to fit back into the family
Zeenat was extremely annoying...I felt like slapping her one 😡
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Posted: 7 years ago
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I do not understand where Zara's self respect goes when Kabir comes into the frame. He is a chauvinistic pig and the way Zara behaved today is too degrading. He is throwing insults left and right, Zara is just looking like a person who lost her marbles. Zara should have taken another room at least if she wasn't showing her anger on her psycho (ex) husband.
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: arnavkidevani

I also found Zaras character degraded in today's episode as everyone ignored her but she persistently tried to fit back into the family

Zeenat was extremely annoying...I felt like slapping her one😡


Loved the way Kabir shut her up when she was bad mouthing about Zara in his room
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: athai

I am so confused regarding Zara's character. She wants to stay with the chauvenistic pig that Kabeer Ahmed is and piss him every alternate day through her actions for women empowerment? This man just gave her a talaq, that is not a matter of joke and in she comes and wants to work on her relationship with him while he is not even remotely interested!

From Islamic perspective they are going through the period of iddat where Zara is not completely divorced but she is not married either, I don't understand why the CVs are handling this situation in this manner. She has every right to stay in her husband's house during this period but has no rights over him and neither does he have any rights on her. They are expected to stay in separate rooms as they cannot have any sexual relations. In the event, they end up having sex, the talaq will have become moot and void. If during this period of iddat the husband chooses to take the wife back, he needs to verbally tell her that he takes her back (this is called ruju) in front of two witnesses just like he gave her talaq in front of two witnesses. In the event he does not take her back within these three months, their divorce is finalized. He can say talaq another two times over the course of two months in front of witnesses but he doesn't need to, as long as he doesn't take her back, they will be divorced by the end of three months. The court has banned triple talaq, not talaq itself (which falls under Sharia law) so Zara staying in Kabeer's room and pretending as if nothing happened it just wrong. Even if she wants to work on her marriage, being a Muslim, she should stay in a separate room and try to woo Kabeer, the CVs should really research on talaq before showing whatever they want to show.

Secondly, as a woman, I can't accept that Zara fighting back actually means running after her husband who literally threw her away like a toilet paper. I think for two people to coexist together, both need to make some adjustments. I personally felt that Zara in her quest to get women their rights, put her marriage in the backseat. There is nothing wrong with that, people don't always need to prioritize their marriage above everything else but she should at least accept to herself that her marriage or Kabeer's feelings are less important to her than her values. If that is the case then why is she even trying to make this marriage work at the cost of her self-respect knowing that not a single value of hers and Kabeer's matches? She is confident and has no intention of changing herself and has seen that Kabeer is the same and yet she is neither willing to give up on her marriage nor on her ideology but everyday she is giving up a bit on her self-respect. No matter what, I could not digest Zara giving statement against her husband in Sharia board: it was very disturbing for me. Up until then I supported Zara for her fight for right but she could easily have refused to give a statement, as a human being that is her right, as a wife that is her right, but she didn't. Instead she made it seem like she would do some gunah (an activity which deserves punishment in the eyes of Allah) if she did not testify against him. Allah allows husband and wife to testify against each other in a court of law but it is not mandatory that they do so, it is just that if they require to do so, they should not feel guilty about it. Kabeer refusing to lead the prayer was od course wrong but was it absolutely necessary for Zara to testify against him? Was it necessary for Irfan to put her in the spot? Where there no other women or men who would be able to testify against him? It had to be either Zara or his mom? I don't know if divorce is too rash an action on Kabeer's part or not, but both Kabeer and Zara have every reason to be very pissed off at each other at the moment, I don't know why Zara is behaving like this. Kabeer actually had his wife testify against him: if I put myself in his place I can literally hear my heart breaking to pieces.

It hurts my self respect as a woman to see Zara trying to patch up with him after he has given her a divorce and left her at her parents place. Before he had given a divorce, Zara was of the attitude that he had left her and he had to come to take her back. Which to me made perfect sense but then after her sharia board stunt of testifying against him, I felt she had wronged him to such an extent as a wife that she should initiate fixing the relationship but she chose not to. Kabeer did not wrong her by refusing to offer prayer, he opposed every women's right to pray there, she was never the target. But she stood against Kabeer when she testified and not against his ideology.Something like this can actually lead to a divorce in real life. But Zara actually thought that Kabeer would come to take her after all this and decked up as a bride! What sort of a bubble does she live in? Had the situation been reversed, had Kabeer caused her permanent damage in her workplace or social circle because of her ideological difference with him, would she be all mushy mushy with him? I have no idea what was she thinking or expecting! She was all high and mighty and queen of the world who thought that her husband should come and sweep her off her feet after all the mess that has happened between them. But then when he instead treated her like a tissue paper, it didn't hurt her self-respect at all to return to this house by herself. And not just that, to actually behave with Kabeer as if no problem has occured between them. She is now trying to pacify him for testifying against him in court after he has wronged her so grossly that she does not even have a way back to him unless he chooses to take her back!

From a religious perspective Zara was wrong today and so was every member of the family who allowed her to go back to that room instead of arranging a separate room for her. For a woman's perspective, grovelling after someone who has literally thrown you away is just disturbing and in no way anything to do with a woman's fight for right.

👏I totally and completely agree with you.I am not as erudite as you are and could not put it in words,but you nailed it.well done👏👏
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Posted: 7 years ago
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absolutely agree with ur every word...
since zabeer marriage zara was mostly of the view lets snub kabeer in front of others, be indifferent to how it affects his reputation then when he reacts play a victim after all her saas is there to make her feel she is always right and then just woo kabeer for the patch-up which never really solved the issues between them even in past...now the things have gone overboard but zara rather than proving kabeer wrong in resorting to triple talak as a way to get rid of her n stand against the male chauvinism is only behaving like how important marriage is to a women, n still she has no right to force this rishta on kabeer who has decided to divorce her...hope zara starts handling things maturely n in a more dignified way...

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Posted: 7 years ago
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I don't understand where Zara's self respect goes whence comes to kabeer ..she wants to stay with that person who doesn't' respect her and insults her every now & thn .. she is ready to work work on her relationship thn why kabeer is showing so much of hatred .. it really hurts that Zara is trying to patch up with him after he has given a divorce ... he treated her like a tissue paper ... why it didn't hurt her ...though she loves but .. wht he did was wrong .. how can kabeer forget tht Zara was the only person in house who supported in ruksaar's case .. no one actually believed him .. she was the only person who didn't think tht he did some mistake for a second .. he was in love tht time .. he again got married to Zara and suddenly how come a drastic change came in his behavior... I understand that issue was very delicate about women's right .. but still talak was not the solution ??? Stil he is telling he will again give talak .. can someone explain if he gives another talak now thn th you are seperated permanently or still thy can come back??
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aarti2808

I don't understand where Zara's self respect goes whence comes to kabeer ..she wants to stay with that person who doesn't' respect her and insults her every now & thn .. she is ready to work work on her relationship thn why kabeer is showing so much of hatred .. it really hurts that Zara is trying to patch up with him after he has given a divorce ... he treated her like a tissue paper ... why it didn't hurt her ...though she loves but .. wht he did was wrong .. how can kabeer forget tht Zara was the only person in house who supported in ruksaar's case .. no one actually believed him .. she was the only person who didn't think tht he did some mistake for a second .. he was in love tht time .. he again got married to Zara and suddenly how come a drastic change came in his behavior... I understand that issue was very delicate about women's right .. but still talak was not the solution ??? Stil he is telling he will again give talak .. can someone explain if he gives another talak now thn th you are seperated permanently or still thy can come back??



Well, as I explained in my post, their talaq process has already been expedited but it is not complete. They are expected to stay under same roof in case they can reaolve their differences but in separate rooms as the process of talaq has already started and they are not supposed to have any sexual relations. If, within this three months, Kabeer tells her in the presence of others that he takes her back, they can get back. If he doesn't and three months is completed, their divorce will be finalized. What Kabeer meant was that he would say talaq a second time in a month's time and then a third time in the third month after which their divorce will be finalized. So I am royally pissed of at Zara and everyone else for letting Zara just walk into her room as if nothing happened as it goes against Islam. And I am super pissed with Zara for not having an ounce of self-respect now that Kabeer has treated her like shit while when she was going to give statement against Kabeer, she was acting as if she was a Queen and no matter what she did, Kabeer had to grovel at her feet and ask her to return! Such a contradiction really! The CVs have lost it completely.

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