Porus 140: The Murga Mystery

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Folks,

By now, most of those frequenting this forum would be aware that I am, to put it mildly, not fond of Ms.Roxanne (as a card carrying feminist, she should of course retain her Ms.). 😉😉

Nevertheless, I watched the apparently compulsory Alexander-Roxanne scene tonight (which was actually a variation on the classic menage a trois, or household with a threesome) with attention. Kyonki pata nahin kab koyi dilschasp cheez nikal aaye!

Apart from Alexander, who looked as if he was just back from a vacation in Saint Tropez on Bill Gates' yacht (and I am sure 80% of the young ladies here would have been drooling over him😆 ), and the fact that Ms.Roxanne had not yet located a second expression😉, I found the rest entirely predictable. But there was one thing I could not get at all, though my IQ is respectable, and one thing that really disturbed me.

The Murga Mystery: Taking the first one first, what Roxanne said was that the murga mistakenly assumes that the sun rises because of its crowing. She then goes on to draw a distinction between afsane and reality, which she states that human beings should be able to grasp.

The consensus here is, and rightly so, that she is calling Alexander a murga, though she promotes him to the status of insaan when she is winding up with her wisecracking. Accepting this, her jibe makes no sense at all. 😲

What is the sunrise for which she sees the Macedonian murga as falsely claiming credit ? Even more incomprehensible,which afsane is she talking about? Alexander has won in Greece, Persia. Syria, Egypt, and Mesopotamia fair and square, and he has untied the Gordian knot. She herself used to parrot the title Shah-e-Asia when she addressed him before he was unwise enough to marry her. So what afsane and what haqeeqat is she lecturing him about? 😡

Roxanne and the Porus red rag: Now for what disturbs me. Alexander is all wrong in the way he handles her. He goes on and on taking covert digs at Puru and Roxanne, like a riled little boy asserting to the girl who praises his rival: Just look out! I am tops and no one dare mess with me! So there!!

In the process, he shows her clearly how far she, and her dilchaspi in Puru's exploits, rile him. Apart from the evident folly of this juvenile carping, and the handle he gives her to give him even more of a chabi, there is a serious matter at issue here that Inlieu had flagged, and it is this.

Danger ahead: Alexander has had very little experience of handling women, and Roxanne is a particularly tedhi specimen of her sex. So now, when he should have been adopting a cool, slightly distant approach, he shows any detached observer that he has lost all sense of proportion vis a vis both Roxanne and her favourite, Porus.

He detests Porus much, much more now than after he had held him at swordpoint in Persia, and that is because of Roxanne, and his burning desire to

(a) impress her with his invincibility and

(b) get hold of Porus and teach him a very harsh lesson so that Roxanne understands her folly in hero worshipping Porus.

This is likely to make Alexander so eager to get Porus any which way that, while assessing the offer of an alliance with Takshashila brought by Chanakya, all the red lights that would usually go off in his fabled grey cells go on the blink, and he walks straight into Chanakya's trap.

This would confirm the widely held opinion that his obsession with Roxanne warped his sense of judgement, and made him less astute, and less capable of thinking four steps ahead, as he was wont to claim.

Chanakya the infallible: This is a given in all the representations of Chanakya in our TV serials and films. Given this, I don't see Swastik deviating from this unwritten rule. Which means that Chanakya's plot has to succeed, and Alexander has to be taken unawares for the second time running, letting Porus wreck his supplies and kill his men in a sneak attack.

This will of course enrage Alexander still more, and the effect of this white hot rage on his decision making and his military tactics can hardly be good. To add fuel to the fire, there would be Roxanne mocking him openly for this setback at the hands of Porus😡. All in all, a very bad situation for Alexander seems to be in the works.

Double faced Porus: I was not surprised at Chanakya's stand on kootneeti. That was his consistent, trademark stand on strategy and tactics against any enemy.

Nor was I taken aback by the oh so honorable and preachy preachy Porus setting out to launch yet another sneak attack against Alexander and his army. After all, he had done the same thing in Persia, when Alexander had not yet made any hostile move against Bharat.

It did not matter to Porus then that the conflagration that the Pauravengers launched so mysteriously must have killed a large number of innocent Persians,and destroyed a lot of private property. How was that any better, morally, than Hephaestion's and c***eus' attack on them after they stoned the Macedonian soldiers? I am not holding my breath waiting for answers.

What I do have a problem, and a serious one, with is Porus accusing Alexander of winning by underhand tactics, without even an iota of concrete proof for this statement,which is a downright falsehood. The same goes for Chanakya calling Alexander a kapti Yavan, which too is totally false, but at least Chanakya has the excuse that he does not know much about Alexander. Porus does not even have that excuse.

Alexander never adopted any shady tactics, he did not ape Darius in raiding the enemy camp stealthily and wreaking havoc there, and he always fought a fair battle, confident in his strength and sticking to his principles. It does not lie in the mouths of Porus and Chanakya to malign him falsely, and accuse him of using the kind of crooked tactics they are going to resort to right now.

The po*nography of violence against a woman: If I have to watch any more of the vile Shivdutt in action, I shall throw up😡. Methinks Swastik and the Porus CVs like seeing helpless women being beaten up, dragged by their hair, banged into hard things, and finally dumped in a brothel. Whence this sub-title. And if Siddharth Kumar Tewary thinks this sort of garbage will boost the TRPs, he could not be more wrong. They are more likely to plummet even further.

But perhaps they don't care any more about the TRPs, and the Shivdutt horror is the Revenge of the CVs against the disobliging viewers who refused to boost Porus!

It is very late, so I am not touching on anything else, except that I was pleasantly surprised to see one, real, live elephant. Now to hope that there will be more of them, caught from the wild by apna Puru and shanghaied straight into the battle. Ayesha's very practical advice to Puru is bound to come in handy in that situation.

That is it! Count your blessings, folks!😆

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& another one yayyy...

thanx aunty , will read it tomorrow & then reply in detail .
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Maybe I missed it, still, I did not see an iota of concrete proof that a large number of innocent Persians were killed ( your words) when the Pauravengers launched their conflagration.
As an average viewer, I only saw a lot of properties destroyed then.
Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I recall the saying - all is fair in love and war - and to me this is war.
So whatever it takes to win the war, whether it be a two-face Puru or hot & cold great Alexander, ride on guys on horse back or elephant trunk👍🏼
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Aunty when she mentioned the term 'Murga' all I was reminded of was the grilled murga I had for lunch.Somehow the words Alexander and Murga don't go along well together and they never will.😉
On what basis was she comparing him to a Murga?

1.Alexander had never ever made any tall claims which he couldn't fulfill.He has rightfully earned the title of Shah-e-Asia and that of The Great.

2.He has never chickened out in the face of battle.He has always faced his enemy and defeated him.

I am disllusioned with AlexAna thanks to Cold Turkey Roxy.It's only Alex for me now.
Looks like Sony Roxanne is really Sony Puru's soul sister given their common tendency to utter illogical stuff.

Speaking of Sony Puru,I feel that the CVs had a golden opportunity here to show some character growth in him which they didn't utilise of course.They could have shown Puru opposing Chanakya to which Chanakya would have explained the norms of kootneeti to him.Puru could have been shown to be reflecting on his own actions in the past like burning the ships and bombing Faras.He could have,for a change,admitted that he was wrong.His actions were wrong but his purpose was a noble one.He could have admitted that he couldn't live upto his words about honour and nobility and felt guilty about that.He could have vented out his frustrations and feelings when his idealistic self and practical self clashed with each other.Finally he could have concurred with Chanakya realising that while it's easier to speak about honour it's tough to implement that and realising that everything is fair in love and war and the end justifies the means
And it wouldn't have taken much time either.It would have perfectly fit in the screentime which the CVs gifted to Shivdutt and Kanishk.I believe such a scene would have shown the titular character as flawed and a human being for a change rather than this hero who can never be wrong.However our great CVs chose another route and turned their titular character into a hypocrite.👏👏👏

Also when this show had not begun and the promos were on air I was rather intrigued to see the equation which Porus and Alexander would share with each other.I imagined that equation to be one of enmity with a subtle admiration and respect for each other.Alexander and Porus had plenty of reasons to respect each other like their military prowess for instance.Wouldn't it have been more interesting to watch the two enemies harbouring the intense desire to defeat each other in battle and yet admiring each other's skills and personalities?

But looks like our sweet CVs do not understand that.Instead they showed Puru and Alex behaving like schoolkids.Puru thinks of Alex as that class topper who cheated in exams when actually the topper studied hard to deserve his grades.For Alex,Puru is that casanova dude over whom girls fawn whereas in reality,he friendzoned one girl and is about to behenzone the other.In short both survive on presumptions about each other.I won't blame Alex here coz anyone would have believed the same after seeing Puru's kaarnamas in Faras.Puru has zero reason to accuse Alex.Alex conquered whatever he did with zero cheating and that Devta act was just to draw Puru out of the crowd.It seems as if Puru is hell bent to not acknowledge any positive stuff about Alex.

Obsession seems to be the apt word to describe Alex's feelings for Cold Turkey.He is determine to prove to her that he is the good guy and Puru is the villain😆I wonder how Alex is gonna react when he finds out about Roxanne and Porus' Rakshabandhan celebration.He is gonna flip out for sure 🤪

I am not gonna comment on Shivdutt's puke worthy scene.I have already vented out my anger in another post.I just have something which I wanna tell Mr Siddharth Tewary.

I have followed almost all of Swastik's shows and I found something common in all of them.At one point in every show women were either objectified or subjected to excessive violence which was depicted in detail.I will never get this tendency of their's.

Initially I was happy that Porus has several strong female characters.Then I realised that even though they created strong female characters they could never handle them properly or depict their strength in an appropriate manner.For instance,

1.Anusuya is the eternal victim.Throughout the show she was subjected to endless humiliation and torture.@EtherealRati aka Surbhi mentioned a very valid point in my other post.I am paraphrasing it here.
Why couldn't they show Anusuya fighting Shivdutt herself and escaping instead of waiting to be rescued by Puru?

Personally I totally agree with this.If Puru can be shown with superhuman skills like surviving a shower of arrows then why can't his mother express her strength and fight for herself?

2.Barsine was introduced as a princess with sass but she was turned into a plastic doll.

3.Roxanne was promising but she turned out to be a cold turkey.

4.Dasyu Rani was deadly and ferocious but she is nowhere to be seen.

5.Laachi was one of the feistiest and strongest FLs but alas she has been confined to the background and doesn't even get dialogues.

It's only Olympias who has proved herself as an exception by remaining consistent throughout the show.

Mahabharat was Swastik's claim to fame and their best show till date.But sadly the PH learnt nothing from MB.They tried to recreate Draupadi's humiliation but they are forgetting that Draupadi never allowed herself to be treated as a victim.She fought for justice and she got it.Neither Duryodhan nor Dushassan had a clean and quick death.They were both killed in extremely painful manners coz this is what you get for insulting a woman.Even death won't come easily for you.

But do Swastik have the guts to show this happening to their favourite Shivdutt??Can they show him getting punished for once? And by punishment I mean the brutal one.
They can show him committing all the cringe worthy inhumane acts but will give him a clean death only at the end of the show.

What's the point of showing all this then? Guess the CVs are big sadistic hypocrites too👏




Edited by LawlessLawyer - 7 years ago
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Hi Aunty. Glad you decided to write again. My comments are in green.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,


By now, most of those frequenting this forum would be aware that I am, to put it mildly, not fond of Ms.Roxanne (as a card carrying feminist, she should of course retain her Ms.). 😉😉

Nevertheless, I watched the apparently compulsory Alexander-Roxanne scene tonight (which was actually a variation on the classic menage a trois, or household with a threesome) with attention. Kyonki pata nahin kab koyi dilschasp cheez nikal aaye!

So far, Roxanne has paled in comparison to Alexander whenever they've shared the screen and I felt it was even more accentuated in today's episode, especially in those few seconds where she shares the screen with Olympias. They are both way out of her league acting wise. Heck even Sunny played Philip wonderfully considering it was his debut show. There is no way I can picture this Roxanne being a junior Olympias as was probably the case in real life. 😕

Apart from Alexander, who looked as if he was just back from a vacation in Saint Tropez on Bill Gates' yacht (and I am sure 80% of the young ladies here would have been drooling over him😆 ), and the fact that Ms.Roxanne had not yet located a second expression😉, I found the rest entirely predictable. But there was one thing I could not get at all, though my IQ is respectable, and one thing that really disturbed me.

Yeah, Rohit has become really tanned. Must be shooting outdoors the whole time. All the night scenes they've shown recently were shot in the day and then edited with a darkening filter.


The Murga Mystery: Taking the first one first, what Roxanne said was that the murga mistakenly assumes that the sun rises because of its crowing. She then goes on to draw a distinction between afsane and reality, which she states that human beings should be able to grasp.

The consensus here is, and rightly so, that she is calling Alexander a murga, though she promotes him to the status of insaan when she is winding up with her wisecracking. Accepting this, her jibe makes no sense at all. 😲

What is the sunrise for which she sees the Macedonian murga as falsely claiming credit ? Even more incomprehensible,which afsane is she talking about? Alexander has won in Greece, Persia. Syria, Egypt, and Mesopotamia fair and square, and he has untied the Gordian knot. She herself used to parrot the title Shah-e-Asia when she addressed him before he was unwise enough to marry her. So what afsane and what haqeeqat is she lecturing him about? 😡

She is trying to belittle Alexander in every way she can, especially in the aspect that counts most: his invincibility in battle. He won fair and square every time, but she makes it sound as if the reports of his incredible conquests are merely "tales" or legends - afsaane. Also she is taunting him for claiming to be the son of Zeus instead of a normal man. I think she was saying that this claim of Alexander's is an afsaana too, not the haqeeqat that he believes it to be. She's using that one anomaly in Alexander's career - where Puru managed to hold a sword to his throat - as the source of her daily dose of poison. That would never have happened in real life so she would have had nothing of the sort to taunt him with but that's what we were forced to endure in the Puru in Persia track so what can we do?

Alexander's taking the bait and throwing out some of his own and my favorite line of his today was
Logon ko ehsaas to ho ke maila chaand nahin, dhool unki aankhon par he.

He's asking her to wake up and she'd better do so before it's too late. Tab tak wo Barsine se shaadi kar lega. 😆

I loved Olympias' amused expression and I think she knows that Roxanne will fall for her son faster than she realizes, despite her resentment towards him. I think when that day comes Roxanne will just show up wearing the pearls and Alexander will know. 😉
I felt that when Olympias says zehr ko zehr hi kaatta hai she meant that Roxanne's sharp tongue will be neutralized by the sharp words she is bound to hear from Alexander once he snaps.

Roxanne and the Porus red rag: Now for what disturbs me. Alexander is all wrong in the way he handles her. He goes on and on taking covert digs at Puru and Roxanne, like a riled little boy asserting to the girl who praises his rival: Just look out! I am tops and no one dare mess with me! So there!!

It's all about his pride and ego now, and while these have served him well in the past, it may just work against him by clouding his judgement in the most basic things. I frankly think he should not be giving her so much importance to her face. He should go about his work quietly and efficiently and let her see the results for herself.

In the process, he shows her clearly how far she, and her dilchaspi in Puru's exploits, rile him. Apart from the evident folly of this juvenile carping, and the handle he gives her to give him even more of a chabi, there is a serious matter at issue here that Inlieu had flagged, and it is this.

Yes, she is winding him up - perfect description.

Danger ahead: Alexander has had very little experience of handling women, and Roxanne is a particularly tedhi specimen of her sex. So now, when he should have been adopting a cool, slightly distant approach, he shows any detached observer that he has lost all sense of proportion vis a vis both Roxanne and her favourite, Porus.

He detests Porus much, much more now than after he had held him at swordpoint in Persia, and that is because of Roxanne, and his burning desire to

(a) impress her with his invincibility and

(b) get hold of Porus and teach him a very harsh lesson so that Roxanne understands her folly in hero worshipping Porus.

This is likely to make Alexander so eager to get Porus any which way that, while assessing the offer of an alliance with Takshashila brought by Chanakya, all the red lights that would usually go off in his fabled grey cells go on the blink, and he walks straight into Chanakya's trap.

I fear this too, as you know, though somewhere deep down I feel that either Olympias will warn him or he will find a way to emerge as the winner despite this setback, exactly as he did when he stopped Barsine from escaping. I think this will also be his wake up call and cause him to be more aggressive towards Taxila and his war strategy. Or maybe, just maybe, the CVs will surprise us and Alexander will see good sense before it's too late.

This would confirm the widely held opinion that his obsession with Roxanne warped his sense of judgement, and made him less astute, and less capable of thinking four steps ahead, as he was wont to claim.

Whether or not he falls into Chanakya's trap, I'm already uncomfortable with the fact that he is derailing from his primary goal of conquest for glory and focusing instead on conquest for proving his worth to his wife. He does not need to prove anything and she will batter down his self-confidence to a dismally low level at this rate if he keeps letting her. He is here to rule the land and not go for Puru's head. 😡

Chanakya the infallible: This is a given in all the representations of Chanakya in our TV serials and films. Given this, I don't see Swastik deviating from this unwritten rule. Which means that Chanakya's plot has to succeed, and Alexander has to be taken unawares for the second time running, letting Porus wreck his supplies and kill his men in a sneak attack.

This will of course enrage Alexander still more, and the effect of this white hot rage on his decision making and his military tactics can hardly be good. To add fuel to the fire, there would be Roxanne mocking him openly for this setback at the hands of Porus😡. All in all, a very bad situation for Alexander seems to be in the works.

If this happens, then what I want to know is, will this be the wake up call he so badly needs? Because Alexander can fight against all odds and as he so very wisely told Arrhidaeus during their arm wrestling match in episode 26
woh aakhri pal hi hai jo shikast ko fateh mein tabdeel kar deta hai.

Stupid me, I'm still hoping he wins the war in his usual honest and fair manner despite all the scheming by Chanakya and gang.

The question is, according to Roxanne's logic will she never give him her love if he, for some reason, ends up losing the battle? Where does that leave her? She is said to have been pregnant and miscarried in Bharat, though I doubt we'll see this. She can only taunt him up to a point after which he will tire of the games and withdraw from her (and probably marry Barsine to get some mental peace as she will treat him far better! 😆)

Double faced Porus: I was not surprised at Chanakya's stand on kootneeti. That was his consistent, trademark stand on strategy and tactics against any enemy.

Nor was I taken aback by the oh so honorable and preachy preachy Porus setting out to launch yet another sneak attack against Alexander and his army. After all, he had done the same thing in Persia, when Alexander had not yet made any hostile move against Bharat.

I think this is what had bothered me most about Puru's actions in Faras. He was pre-emptively attacking Alexander even though Alexander had not done anything to Bharat or its citizens. He knew of Alexander's intentions but intentions and actual actions are two very different things. It would only make sense to go on the offense against Alexander once he set foot in Bharat, as the real Porus did. But who am I expecting sense and logic from? 😡

It did not matter to Porus then that the conflagration that the Pauravengers launched so mysteriously must have killed a large number of innocent Persians,and destroyed a lot of private property. How was that any better, morally, than Hephaestion's and c***eus' attack on them after they stoned the Macedonian soldiers? I am not holding my breath waiting for answers.

The CVs never intended to depict Puru as a gray or flawed hero, so these misplaced ideals of his and warped sense of morals send the wrong message to viewers about the central character, about what an honest good hero should be like. If they want to portray him as a pure white character, then his actions must be above reproach. What message are they trying to send? That honesty and hard work, tadbeer, have no value and will never give you victory against sneaky plots and peeche se waar? Ugh, after all the moral policing that Puru and his mother have been doing in this show, this thought nearly causes the bile to rise up my throat. 😡

The CVs are, in my opinion, wrongly justifying Puru's past and future actions by using the Chanakya card, i.e. since Chanakya is suggesting this, then Puru and gang are excused from every past "crime", saat khoon maaf, etc. Chanakya's role was all about politics and strategy, not about being a good person as per Puru's previous lectures.

What I do have a problem, and a serious one, with is Porus accusing Alexander of winning by underhand tactics, without even an iota of concrete proof for this statement,which is a downright falsehood. The same goes for Chanakya calling Alexander a kapti Yavan, which too is totally false, but at least Chanakya has the excuse that he does not know much about Alexander. Porus does not even have that excuse.

If Puru had even reflected upon his mistakes in Faras, I would have been a little appeased. Also, if he truly does believe that Alexander uses underhanded tactics, then his own capitulation to following Chanakya's ways should make him understand that if indeed Alexander had done such things he would have been "justified" as per the teachings of Chanakya's school of by hook or crook. Puru would have no right to label him a bhediya.

The guy really needs some "me time" to reflect upon what he did and what he continues to do. Too much hypocrisy can destroy the very clean soul that he brags about. No wonder Puru jumps so quick at the idea of using whatever means Chanakya suggests to weaken Alexander. He seems to lack conviction and foresightedness.

What does kapti mean, by the way? 😳

Alexander never adopted any shady tactics, he did not ape Darius in raiding the enemy camp stealthily and wreaking havoc there, and he always fought a fair battle, confident in his strength and sticking to his principles. It does not lie in the mouths of Porus and Chanakya to malign him falsely, and accuse him of using the kind of crooked tactics they are going to resort to right now.

Of course, not. The makers are just doing this to justify those two's underhanded actions and any further sneaky attacks they plan, a la tit for tat. Never mind Faras, which is far away, about which they may also have heard "afsaane" of Alexander being unfair, but what about closer to home in Bharat where Alexander has done nothing of the sort? They would have actually heard about it if he had, but all they received was a by-the-procotol message asking Taxila to surrender. Also, where was this sense of indignation about underhanded tactics when Puru was more than happy to get Barsine to betray her father several times?

I'm glad that Ambhikumar objected on the grounds that it is against the rules of war and this alone made me think that he might be instrumental in making the pact with Alexander later on. That guy doesn't speak much but often talks sense and I can see him being a wiser king than his cousin Puru.

I know they've distorted history a lot, but surely when it comes to Bharat, they cannot show Taxila joining Paurav Rashtra to beat Alexander?! Those two kingdoms were never allies and in this show too, Ambhiraj's "loyalty" to Paurav Rashtra is very fragile. Right now, it's a cease fire but I think deep down Ambhiraj is not happy with Paurav Rashtra getting the spotlight and leading the rest to make key decisions. He had very rightly warned his son not to be sucked into Puru's harebrained schemes en route to Faras. Puru nearly got them all killed, and they would have been, had Alexander not let them escape. When push comes to shove, I totally see him opting to surrender to Alexander when they realize the folly of Puru's actions, in exchange for something. If the CVs show this of course. 😕

The po*nography of violence against a woman: If I have to watch any more of the vile Shivdutt in action, I shall throw up😡. Methinks Swastik and the Porus CVs like seeing helpless women being beaten up, dragged by their hair, banged into hard things, and finally dumped in a brothel. Whence this sub-title. And if Siddharth Kumar Tewary thinks this sort of garbage will boost the TRPs, he could not be more wrong. They are more likely to plummet even further.

But perhaps they don't care any more about the TRPs, and the Shivdutt horror is the Revenge of the CVs against the disobliging viewers who refused to boost Porus!

It is very late, so I am not touching on anything else, except that I was pleasantly surprised to see one, real, live elephant. Now to hope that there will be more of them, caught from the wild by apna Puru and shanghaied straight into the battle. Ayesha's very practical advice to Puru is bound to come in handy in that situation.

I'm not even going to talk about these scenes because I now skip all the PR segments, especially those featuring Shivdutt. My time is too precious! 😉 But Sid T needs to realize that when you have a few days left before the end of the show, you need to provide the best material possible to go out with a bang and not let your magnum opus fade out.


That is it! Count your blessings, folks!😆

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Edited by inlieu - 7 years ago
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@LawylessLawyer, what a lovely and entertaining post! To answer your first 2 points:
  1. Actually, she was the one who called him Shah-e-Asia
  2. Lions can't be chicken.
Cold Turkey - love that! 😆

Puru? Admit he was wrong? ha ha ha!
He bulldozes through everything without thinking it through and when the damage is done, he doesn't take a step back but continues to charge forward.
We were all hoping to see Alexander and Puru admire each other despite their enmity, but I don't see how Alexander could be any bit impressed after what Puru did, and especially the way he set fire and put people and property in danger because he supposedly has "sahi soch". 😕

I just want to be like Professor X and read what's in the CVs' minds regarding the Shivdutt tracks. Why do they love him so much? If at least they showed Kanishk starting to do his kingly duties, I would have been able to digest that.

@Bold I loved this whole paragraph! 🤣 Friendzoned and behenzoned! 🤣 🤣 🤣
Great description of Alexander being the studious one who always gets top marks and Puru being the jock/Casanova! This personal rivalry is beneath the surface of the political ongoings and I find it really funny that the mighty Alexander is somewhat jealous of his wife's dilchaspi. Barsine knows that she will never be in Alexander's good books so she continues to propagate the notion that Puru and she are lovers and that he hears her call even saat samundar paar. This has a compound effect on Alexander as he realizes that mousy Barsine has already undermined him through his wife this time.

At first I was dreading the Raksha bandhan scene, but after watching today's episode I think it would be highly entertaining to see Alexander be unable to do anything as his wife openly ties Puru a Rakhi and Puru promises to protect her! Then Puru will give Roxanne a gift that she will accept, and it would drive Alexander bonkers after she refused his pearls. 😆 This is all speculation, mind you. I don't think the CVs will spend time on this.

Completely agree with you that the CVs have a strange perspective on what strong women should be.

Sadistic is the right word. They have been torturing Anusuya from the beginning and showing her as a bechaari instead of a shatraani. Wasn't she the one who walked/ran miles while heavily pregnant with Puru, gave birth in a ditch without screaming, fell from height, and still survived with amnesia, only to regain her memory? (So of course Puru had to be Superman.)

Yes, they probably have a Mahabharat hangover but even there they failed to learn lessons from the story of their own show about what Draupadi did in retaliation for being mistreated. All these women sign up for the show to play "strong" characters, and then look what happens to them. The latest "strong" character is Roxanne, but I find her unconvincing as a strong woman; she just appears mean. Olympias is the only saving grace but I still can't understand why she would like this Roxanne, who is nothing like her. Ugh. 😡 The other really strong woman, Dasyu Rani, disappeared. I really hope she takes part in the battle - it would be great to see the Dasyus fight.

Originally posted by: LawlessLawyer

Aunty when she mentioned the term 'Murga' all I was reminded of was the grilled murga I had for lunch.Somehow the words Alexander and Murga don't go along well together and they never will.😉

On what basis was she comparing him to a Murga?

1.Alexander had never ever made any tall claims which he couldn't fulfill.He has rightfully earned the title of Shah-e-Asia and that of The Great.

2.He has never chickened out in the face of battle.He has always faced his enemy and defeated him.

I am disllusioned with AlexAna thanks to Cold Turkey Roxy.It's only Alex for me now.
Looks like Sony Roxanne is really Sony Puru's soul sister given their common tendency to utter illogical stuff.

Speaking of Sony Puru,I feel that the CVs had a golden opportunity here to show some character growth in him which they didn't utilise of course.They could have shown Puru opposing Chanakya to which Chanakya would have explained the norms of kootneeti to him.Puru could have been shown to be reflecting on his own actions in the past like burning the ships and bombing Faras.He could have,for a change,admitted that he was wrong.His actions were wrong but his purpose was a noble one.He could have admitted that he couldn't live upto his words about honour and nobility and felt guilty about that.He could have vented out his frustrations and feelings when his idealistic self and practical self clashed with each other.Finally he could have concurred with Chanakya realising that while it's easier to speak about honour it's tough to implement that and realising that everything is fair in love and war and the end justifies the means
And it wouldn't have taken much time either.It would have perfectly fit in the screentime which the CVs gifted to Shivdutt and Kanishk.I believe such a scene would have shown the titular character as flawed and a human being for a change rather than this hero who can never be wrong.However our great CVs chose another route and turned their titular character into a hypocrite.👏👏👏

Also when this show had not begun and the promos were on air I was rather intrigued to see the equation which Porus and Alexander would share with each other.I imagined that equation to be one of enmity with a subtle admiration and respect for each other.Alexander and Porus had plenty of reasons to respect each other like their military prowess for instance.Wouldn't it have been more interesting to watch the two enemies harbouring the intense desire to defeat each other in battle and yet admiring each other's skills and personalities?

But looks like our sweet CVs do not understand that.Instead they showed Puru and Alex behaving like schoolkids.Puru thinks of Alex as that class topper who cheated in exams when actually the topper studied hard to deserve his grades.For Alex,Puru is that casanova dude over whom girls fawn whereas in reality,he friendzoned one girl and is about to behenzone the other.In short both survive on presumptions about each other.I won't blame Alex here coz anyone would have believed the same after seeing Puru's kaarnamas in Faras.Puru has zero reason to accuse Alex.Alex conquered whatever he did with zero cheating and that Devta act was just to draw Puru out of the crowd.It seems as if Puru is hell bent to not acknowledge any positive stuff about Alex.

Obsession seems to be the apt word to describe Alex's feelings for Cold Turkey.He is determine to prove to her that he is the good guy and Puru is the villain😆I wonder how Alex is gonna react when he finds out about Roxanne and Porus' Rakshabandhan celebration.He is gonna flip out for sure 🤪

I am not gonna comment on Shivdutt's puke worthy scene.I have already vented out my anger in another post.I just have something which I wanna tell Mr Siddharth Tewary.

I have followed almost all of Swastik's shows and I found something common in all of them.At one point in every show women were either objectified or subjected to excessive violence which was depicted in detail.I will never get this tendency of their's.

Initially I was happy that Porus has several strong female characters.Then I realised that even though they created strong female characters they could never handle them properly or depict their strength in an appropriate manner.For instance,

1.Anusuya is the eternal victim.Throughout the show she was subjected to endless humiliation and torture.@EtherealRati aka Surbhi mentioned a very valid point in my other post.I am paraphrasing it here.
Why couldn't they show Anusuya fighting Shivdutt herself and escaping instead of waiting to be rescued by Puru?

Personally I totally agree with this.If Puru can be shown with superhuman skills like surviving a shower of arrows then why can't his mother express her strength and fight for herself?

2.Barsine was introduced as a princess with sass but she was turned into a plastic doll.

3.Roxanne was promising but she turned out to be a cold turkey.

4.Dasyu Rani was deadly and ferocious but she is nowhere to be seen.

5.Laachi was one of the feistiest and strongest FLs but alas she has been confined to the background and doesn't even get dialogues.

It's only Olympias who has proved herself as an exception by remaining consistent throughout the show.

Mahabharat was Swastik's claim to fame and their best show till date.But sadly the PH learnt nothing from MB.They tried to recreate Draupadi's humiliation but they are forgetting that Draupadi never allowed herself to be treated as a victim.She fought for justice and she got it.Neither Duryodhan nor Dushassan had a clean and quick death.They were both killed in extremely painful manners coz this is what you get for insulting a woman.Even death won't come easily for you.

But do Swastik have the guts to show this happening to their favourite Shivdutt??Can they show him getting punished for once? And by punishment I mean the brutal one.
They can show him committing all the cringe worthy inhumane acts but will give him a clean death only at the end of the show.

What's the point of showing all this then? Guess the CVs are big sadistic hypocrites too👏




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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Folks,


By now, most of those frequenting this forum would be aware that I am, to put it mildly, not fond of Ms.Roxanne (as a card carrying feminist, she should of course retain her Ms.). 😉😉

Nevertheless, I watched the apparently compulsory Alexander-Roxanne scene tonight (which was actually a variation on the classic menage a trois, or household with a threesome) with attention. Kyonki pata nahin kab koyi dilschasp cheez nikal aaye!

Apart from Alexander, who looked as if he was just back from a vacation in Saint Tropez on Bill Gates' yacht (and I am sure 80% of the young ladies here would have been drooling over him😆 ), and the fact that Ms.Roxanne had not yet located a second expression😉, I found the rest entirely predictable. But there was one thing I could not get at all, though my IQ is respectable, and one thing that really disturbed me.

The Murga Mystery: Taking the first one first, what Roxanne said was that the murga mistakenly assumes that the sun rises because of its crowing. She then goes on to draw a distinction between afsane and reality, which she states that human beings should be able to grasp.

The consensus here is, and rightly so, that she is calling Alexander a murga, though she promotes him to the status of insaan when she is winding up with her wisecracking. Accepting this, her jibe makes no sense at all. 😲

What is the sunrise for which she sees the Macedonian murga as falsely claiming credit ? Even more incomprehensible,which afsane is she talking about? Alexander has won in Greece, Persia. Syria, Egypt, and Mesopotamia fair and square, and he has untied the Gordian knot. She herself used to parrot the title Shah-e-Asia when she addressed him before he was unwise enough to marry her. So what afsane and what haqeeqat is she lecturing him about? 😡

Roxanne and the Porus red rag: Now for what disturbs me. Alexander is all wrong in the way he handles her. He goes on and on taking covert digs at Puru and Roxanne, like a riled little boy asserting to the girl who praises his rival: Just look out! I am tops and no one dare mess with me! So there!!

In the process, he shows her clearly how far she, and her dilchaspi in Puru's exploits, rile him. Apart from the evident folly of this juvenile carping, and the handle he gives her to give him even more of a chabi, there is a serious matter at issue here that Inlieu had flagged, and it is this.

Danger ahead: Alexander has had very little experience of handling women, and Roxanne is a particularly tedhi specimen of her sex. So now, when he should have been adopting a cool, slightly distant approach, he shows any detached observer that he has lost all sense of proportion vis a vis both Roxanne and her favourite, Porus.

He detests Porus much, much more now than after he had held him at swordpoint in Persia, and that is because of Roxanne, and his burning desire to

(a) impress her with his invincibility and

(b) get hold of Porus and teach him a very harsh lesson so that Roxanne understands her folly in hero worshipping Porus.

This is likely to make Alexander so eager to get Porus any which way that, while assessing the offer of an alliance with Takshashila brought by Chanakya, all the red lights that would usually go off in his fabled grey cells go on the blink, and he walks straight into Chanakya's trap.

This would confirm the widely held opinion that his obsession with Roxanne warped his sense of judgement, and made him less astute, and less capable of thinking four steps ahead, as he was wont to claim.

Chanakya the infallible: This is a given in all the representations of Chanakya in our TV serials and films. Given this, I don't see Swastik deviating from this unwritten rule. Which means that Chanakya's plot has to succeed, and Alexander has to be taken unawares for the second time running, letting Porus wreck his supplies and kill his men in a sneak attack.

This will of course enrage Alexander still more, and the effect of this white hot rage on his decision making and his military tactics can hardly be good. To add fuel to the fire, there would be Roxanne mocking him openly for this setback at the hands of Porus😡. All in all, a very bad situation for Alexander seems to be in the works.

Double faced Porus: I was not surprised at Chanakya's stand on kootneeti. That was his consistent, trademark stand on strategy and tactics against any enemy.

Nor was I taken aback by the oh so honorable and preachy preachy Porus setting out to launch yet another sneak attack against Alexander and his army. After all, he had done the same thing in Persia, when Alexander had not yet made any hostile move against Bharat.

It did not matter to Porus then that the conflagration that the Pauravengers launched so mysteriously must have killed a large number of innocent Persians,and destroyed a lot of private property. How was that any better, morally, than Hephaestion's and c***eus' attack on them after they stoned the Macedonian soldiers? I am not holding my breath waiting for answers.

What I do have a problem, and a serious one, with is Porus accusing Alexander of winning by underhand tactics, without even an iota of concrete proof for this statement,which is a downright falsehood. The same goes for Chanakya calling Alexander a kapti Yavan, which too is totally false, but at least Chanakya has the excuse that he does not know much about Alexander. Porus does not even have that excuse.

Alexander never adopted any shady tactics, he did not ape Darius in raiding the enemy camp stealthily and wreaking havoc there, and he always fought a fair battle, confident in his strength and sticking to his principles. It does not lie in the mouths of Porus and Chanakya to malign him falsely, and accuse him of using the kind of crooked tactics they are going to resort to right now.

The po*nography of violence against a woman: If I have to watch any more of the vile Shivdutt in action, I shall throw up😡. Methinks Swastik and the Porus CVs like seeing helpless women being beaten up, dragged by their hair, banged into hard things, and finally dumped in a brothel. Whence this sub-title. And if Siddharth Kumar Tewary thinks this sort of garbage will boost the TRPs, he could not be more wrong. They are more likely to plummet even further.

But perhaps they don't care any more about the TRPs, and the Shivdutt horror is the Revenge of the CVs against the disobliging viewers who refused to boost Porus!

It is very late, so I am not touching on anything else, except that I was pleasantly surprised to see one, real, live elephant. Now to hope that there will be more of them, caught from the wild by apna Puru and shanghaied straight into the battle. Ayesha's very practical advice to Puru is bound to come in handy in that situation.

That is it! Count your blessings, folks!😆

My usual reminder: If you agree with me on most of the above, do press the Like button.


Shyamala Aunty

With reference to the Murga scene, although Roxanne was saying that in context to Alexander (since she does not know better 😛), I could not help bringing it in context with Porus since he really is the real MURGA who thinks he is the only one who can save Bharat from Alexander and other outside forces...height of misplaced vanity!
As for Porus blaming Alexander of using underhand tactics to win over half of Asia, what can you expect from a person who himself has no qualms indulging in them in the name of deshbhakti and saving his mother land...he thinks that since he uses such tactics, every other prince/ king must be using them as well, only he is correct to do so and they are not!😡 Height of misplaced assumptions!! 😡 As for the actor playing Porus, I liked him initially during his Dasyu and PR track, but now his expressions just annoy me to throw a chappal at him!!☢️
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Aunty dearest 🤗
Maybe I love you the most for being consistent in doing such detailed take and lavish analysis, for most episodes even when some characters and their performances as well as the episodes's quality are overall not worth the efforts you put in ! As expected, our Lady Roxanna and her facial expression are going down the hill every passing day but we didn't expect her to improve as well, did we ? At this rate, even Petit poucet and his brothers were faster in finding their way home than milady, her new expression 😆 Currently, Roxy, fake good goody Porus and Chanakya are the ones mostly getting on my nerves. I won't even bother to enumerate their deeds but what is common in all of them which is annoying me the most, is their vicious words in maligning Alexander's military prowess and mightiness. He firmly expressed his loath and hatred all the long, toward backstab, malicious and underhanded tactics. He just rightfully gave it back to Darius but that was all. He even had harshly rebuked his mother when she had deployed unconventional methods on Arredius to make his way thornless toward the throne. Yes, he is greedy ! Yes, he is ambitious but the efforts he put in are neat and par level of this grandiose ambition he holds. To cure my mood, Aunty, I am running back to watch Alexander again after that apt description you made of him 😆 You can only blame yourself 😆
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Aha! There you are, most likely exclaiming to yourself: Gotcha ! Tripped her up this time!!😆 And I liked the use of my own phrase "not an iota of concrete proof"!

I am sorry to spoil your fun😉, but you have not read my text properly. I was a diplomat all my working life, and I set great store by using precise words. What I had written was :

It did not matter to Porus then that the conflagration that the Pauravengers launched so mysteriously must have killed a large number of innocent Persians,and destroyed a lot of private property.

I did not say that they were killed, as you are now quoting me.

Now, what we were shown, after a large number of bombs (never mind that there were no bombs or explosives in use in the 4th century BC) were thrown all over the place by Puru's cohorts, was that the whole city, not just the Macedonian camp, was in flames. The whole area looked liked a mass of blazing roofs and walls and stalls. In such an inferno, without fire engines to put the blazes out speedily, a large number of people are very likely to have died. And as the bombs could not have been Macedonian specific,😉 a lot of Persian common folk must also have died.

As for Puru's sneak attack on Alexander's camp in Persia, it was not a part of a war, as the current one would be. Alexander was not at war with Bharat, and he had not landed in Bharat, nor was he anywhere near Bharat at that point. Yes, he had said that he intended to conquer Bharat, but intentions are not deeds.

Puru did not go to Faras to bomb Alexander's stores. He went there to reconnoitre his armed strength and his weaponry, and try to gauge his military tactics. He ill advisedly added the Barsine Raksha Abhiyaan to his primary task, and then launched a guerrilla attack on his own. And skimped on his primary mission, which he disposed off in ten minutes. But then this script is a joke.

As for the morality of it, one can argue both ways. Chanakya would have approved.

As for the present plan, if Alexander were to attack the Takshashila army and wreck it, and then burn down all of Takshashila in revenge for the attack on his camp, I don't want to see Puru pontificating about his being a vaishi darinda. As you sow, so you reap, even if it is someone else doing the reaping!

The problem with Puru is that he is not consistent, and demands standards of behaviour from his opponent that he does not observe in his own case. He does not have the slightest hesitation about Chanakya himself lying barefacedly to Alexander, compromising his reputation as a great teacher, and planning a sneak attack under the guise of friendship, thus exposing Ambhiraj to instant retaliation from Alexander, for they can surely not expect to destroy the whole Macedonian army!

Alexander is consistent, and he has standards of loyalty and honour that he observes, as I had discussed at length in my post on Episode 125.

Originally posted by: ananda29

Maybe I missed it, still, I did not see an iota of concrete proof that a large number of innocent Persians were killed ( your words) when the Pauravengers launched their conflagration.


As an average viewer, I only saw a lot of properties destroyed then.
Anyway, as far as I am concerned, I recall the saying - all is fair in love and war - and to me this is war.
So whatever it takes to win the war, whether it be a two-face Puru or hot & cold great Alexander, ride on guys on horse back or elephant trunk👍🏼

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My dear Ayesha, Inlieu, Taherav & Sweety,

I loved reading your delightful responses, and especially the very detailed takes by Ayesha and Inlieu.

I would have wanted to reply, to the extent that I could manage, to each of them. But I was not in very good shape today to start with, and I have, moreover, used up my fingers doing a post, as requested by Taherav, about Alexander's hair, eyes and the scent given off by his body😆😆😆, and then responding to Ananda29, which needed doing. By now, I cannot do any more today, my fingers are beginning to move sideways and cramp up. That is also why I have not made a single comment on any thread bar the hair and eyes one!😉

I have some points to add to the wealth of material that you have brought up, so I will do something tomorrow, as an omnibus response. I am very worried for Alexander. With such a wife, he has no need of enemies!😡 At least Rohit had a nice birthday. Now let us see what happens to his character!


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