Can someone really change to this extent? Or it's forced? Opinions pls - Page 4

Originally posted by: aardhan

<font size="2" color="#0000cc">Devyani, its a good question... but I beg to differ. Why do you think this is a change? I would say that Sameer's original change to a mature adult had not fully happened yet... atleast not enough to face tough situations on his own. And I'm taking my cue straight from what Nanu told Vishaka in the hospital... I choose to believe that character more than anyone else...</font>

<font size="2" color="#0000cc">Nanu left Vishak Sameer's responsibility and she needs to fulfill it. 🤔 In fact Nanu specifically told her Sameer was onlynow maturing and becoming responsible, he was still very weak from inside. She needs to nurturehim till he grows stronger, and so far Vishaka has not done it. She has been grossly negligent of this.😡 In fact in some ways her actions have made it worse for Sameer, by making his sense of loneliness more acute. When he was in hostel, he felt lonel and only imagined how Rohan got his share of love, but now he is witnessing first hand how both Rohan and Deepika are getting so much care and affection but he is still left out... Yes, he got a glimpse of it the night he came back from Ahmedabad, but is that really enough?</font>

<font size="2" color="#0000cc">I've been writing this many times... Sameer and Naina were drifting, somehow now Naina found her anchor and she is growing strong with that support but Sameer is still drifting... he is gradually getting more destructive. His escape to Ahmedabad would've opened Vishaka's eyes if he had stayed there, but (un)fortunately he fought with Naina and came back... so things once again appeared normal, but was it? We saw how Vishaka has gone back to her indifferent self, and Sameer has been left alone once again to bide his time...</font>

<font size="2" color="#0000cc">But I also have a feeling that Naina will be the first to realize something was horribly wrong with Sameer (don't ask me how) and she will share it with Mundit. Remember her words yesterday, if two friends can fight for one friend they can also come together for that same friend... that will happen soon.In all seriousness, I think it should be Vishaka who needs to invest time and energy in helping Sameer, though I feel in some way Naina will help from far...</font>

<font size="2" color="#0000cc">Sameer is displaying all the same signs he did when he came to Nanu's from hostel... only this time its a notch higher because this time he has seen what love and care is and has lost it again... this time his sense of loneliness and loss is multiplieda lot more. A year ago Nanu understood it was Sameer's cry for help... who will do it now? I feel something else is going to happen in the next few days that will push him off the edge... but he won't display anger because he promised Naina... I also feel that Santhi teacher's well meaning talk to Naina is going to end up hurting these two, especially Sameer, in some manner.</font>

<font size="2" color="#0000cc">Nanu knew how much Sameer was lonely and lacked in confidence, having always been put down by everyone. He knew Sameer made it u by acting tough in front of everyone. The whole Agarwal thing was in fact the first time Sameer had succeeded in a mission, without running away or screwing up. It was the first time Sameer was using his capabilities and figuring out solutions to problems. Even Nanu said that, and he was proud of that. It was the first time everyone around them were starting to look at Sameer differently. Though Sameer didn't win any awards (although he could have won the man of the match) he won hearts and more importantlyrespect and credibility.But Sameer himself was slowly becming confident that he could also handle tough situations.</font>

<font size="2" color="#0000cc">But Nanu went too soon... and we saw what happened. Sameer was first in shock and denial, lost to the world. Then, before he could recover fully, he has been constantly subjected to taunts and jibes and made to feel inferior because till date he has not won any significant awards or anything... his upbringing constantlyquestioned, hence the one person who was everything to him (Nanu) was constantly being demeaned... no one to console him, no one to even talk to... how can such a person, let alone a teen, living in this toxic environment survive?</font>

Aarti... beautifully explained.. Can't really add much to your post.

Just a few thoughts in no random order..

I would say...it's always best to look at a story being told from the perspective of the storyteller and then determine if it makes sense. Not always from our sensibilities!!! No two people and their circumstances will be ever completely alike and no two people will react to circumstances in exactly the same manner. If it were so there would be only formulaic love stories.

I agree that the narrative is tested on its ability to seem logical from time to time in order to continue the thread of the story but keeping that aside for a moment, one must consider if the character trait displayed by the character makes sense.. it has always been shown that Sameer largely responds to love...this is not to mean that he feels the need for only one kind of love in his life, even having Naina in his life, ( she is away at the moment) he may still feel lonely due to being away from a good friend's circle, missing family love despite living in a family... so there are circumstances for him to make him stray off the path in search of love... but at the same time having the maturity to discern the difference between love that endures and love that leads him astray will be the key..

Most guys need the company of other guys to hang out with, laugh with, do masti with.. especially at Sameer's age. However much he may love Naina, he will still want to 'be with the guys' and have male bonding time. I have seen this with guys in high school, college and later, even when they are in committed relationships. Agree this is not good company for him, but he is bored, he doesnt know anyone in delhi and he doesnt have his usual circle of friends with him. Its obvious he will seek out whoever he knows to spend time with. Plus I feel there is still a rebel inside Sameer. It may have been buried due to Naina's influence, but its still there inside him and it may surface at times like this when he is lonely and unsettled. Hopefully he will realise soon enough that these guys are no good and he will stop hanging out with them. Just my POV.

Itna analysis Karne see acha I will watch first then do analysis..! Pehle see mood kyu kharab karo..and please don't make assumptions because at the end of the episode we guys get surprised..

Originally posted by: youth_showsfan

exactly when did he leave smoking?😆

sameer hasnt changed... he was shown to be mischievous from start... its just he was blessed to hv good people around him... he promised naina not to show anger on his Family... when people are alone n depressed they try to find a way to be happy... in somani's house no one wants him nd his mother would never stand up for him... yesterday when vishakha was feeding sameer dadi didnt like it i am sure a drama will b there n sameer would feel dejected by seeing vishakha not supporting him... when u dont feel loved cared n wanted be people in home u try to find solace through other means such as drinking smoking drugs etc as dt makes u lose ur senses n u foret ur prob... some become so studious or into studies dt they dont think anything else apart from studies... sm get angry n frustrated nd keep breaking things...

sameer used to earlier speak his mind by showing anger but nw he cant b angry as he promised so he wont b able to share his feelings n dt would be bottled up nd would come out like this... roaming with lafange ppl will make him forget d feeling of loneliness...

also one should meet all types of people so dt u learn how to handle them... sameer in business will hv to meet such ppl good he would learn to handle such ppl... u only grow as person by meeting diff ppl n learning how to tackle/handle them...

also never believe in half baked stuff... samaina fight is an example... wt all v thought bt at d end it was not dt major... let d story unfold hv patience😳

Originally posted by: aardhan

Devyani, its a good question... but I beg to differ. Why do you think this is a change? I would say that Sameer's original change to a mature adult had not fully happened yet... atleast not enough to face tough situations on his own. And I'm taking my cue straight from what Nanu told Vishaka in the hospital... I choose to believe that character more than anyone else...

Nanu left Vishak Sameer's responsibility and she needs to fulfill it. 🤔 In fact Nanu specifically told her Sameer was only now maturing and becoming responsible, he was still very weak from inside. She needs to nurture him till he grows stronger, and so far Vishaka has not done it. She has been grossly negligent of this. 😡 In fact in some ways her actions have made it worse for Sameer, by making his sense of loneliness more acute. When he was in hostel, he felt lonel and only imagined how Rohan got his share of love, but now he is witnessing first hand how both Rohan and Deepika are getting so much care and affection but he is still left out... Yes, he got a glimpse of it the night he came back from Ahmedabad, but is that really enough?

I've been writing this many times... Sameer and Naina were drifting, somehow now Naina found her anchor and she is growing strong with that support but Sameer is still drifting... he is gradually getting more destructive. His escape to Ahmedabad would've opened Vishaka's eyes if he had stayed there, but (un)fortunately he fought with Naina and came back... so things once again appeared normal, but was it? We saw how Vishaka has gone back to her indifferent self, and Sameer has been left alone once again to bide his time...

But I also have a feeling that Naina will be the first to realize something was horribly wrong with Sameer (don't ask me how) and she will share it with Mundit. Remember her words yesterday, if two friends can fight for one friend they can also come together for that same friend... that will happen soon. In all seriousness, I think it should be Vishaka who needs to invest time and energy in helping Sameer, though I feel in some way Naina will help from far...

Sameer is displaying all the same signs he did when he came to Nanu's from hostel... only this time its a notch higher because this time he has seen what love and care is and has lost it again... this time his sense of loneliness and loss is multiplied a lot more. A year ago Nanu understood it was Sameer's cry for help... who will do it now? I feel something else is going to happen in the next few days that will push him off the edge... but he won't display anger because he promised Naina... I also feel that Santhi teacher's well meaning talk to Naina is going to end up hurting these two, especially Sameer, in some manner.

Nanu knew how much Sameer was lonely and lacked in confidence, having always been put down by everyone. He knew Sameer made it u by acting tough in front of everyone. The whole Agarwal thing was in fact the first time Sameer had succeeded in a mission, without running away or screwing up. It was the first time Sameer was using his capabilities and figuring out solutions to problems. Even Nanu said that, and he was proud of that. It was the first time everyone around them were starting to look at Sameer differently. Though Sameer didn't win any awards (although he could have won the man of the match) he won hearts and more importantly respect and credibility. But Sameer himself was slowly becming confident that he could also handle tough situations.

But Nanu went too soon... and we saw what happened. Sameer was first in shock and denial, lost to the world. Then, before he could recover fully, he has been constantly subjected to taunts and jibes and made to feel inferior because till date he has not won any significant awards or anything... his upbringing constantly questioned, hence the one person who was everything to him (Nanu) was constantly being demeaned... no one to console him, no one to even talk to... how can such a person, let alone a teen, living in this toxic environment survive?