Would it help to redeem Naren's character if...

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Posted: 7 years ago
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... Naren becomes the one to discover Supriya's truth, as well as his own birth truth, and some if not all of the deeds of the villains, exposing it all and letting Pooja know that he wants her to be able to leave, if she really so desires, with her true identity intact, and full credit for all the sacrifices she has made for the sake of himself and his entire family. Not to mention trying to express his eternal gratitude, and the fact that it could never be enough to repay her.

Perhaps I'm being naive, but it would help me to feel so much better about him, and the way the show has spiralled into such extreme negativity.

As you all said, I also found it impossible to genuinely enjoy the beauty of the marriage consummation scene despite the perfect presentation of cast and crew. It just made me wish that it could have happened when they loved each other so truly and completely in the beginning. All it did was bring tears to my heart and eyes.

I think there would still be all kinds of aspects for the writers to explore if the show is really going to continue, which I hope it will. Things such as who is Naren's father... will it be revealed that he is indeed Vyas, thus thwarting Rahul's future plans once Chandrika is known to be his mother. And what if it's not Harish who is the father, what if it's Hardik? Creating some new twists there, since his wife has always been one of the villains, and it would make Naren Rahul's elder brother, hehe.

I hope the writers can find a way to save this show, it was such an example of a new direction in the serials, where ordinary everyday occurences were skillfully turned into interesting episodes, and the lead male didn't look like all the other serial leads as he does now. It has everything, and I hoped it would become an example to the other serials, instead of caving and following their lead, thus frustrating us all, and dashing our hopes.

Piyaa Albela is still better than the others in my opinion, showcasing their skill in coming up with so many different tracks, twists and turns... way too many, in fact. It's not necessary to shock us every day of the week, lol.

Sometimes I think the PA team is confusing suspense with dread in their attempts to keep us glued to the screen. However, suspense is meant to keep us on the edge of our seats, waiting in excited anticipation for the next episode, instead of always dreading what will happen next, and feeling that we can't continue to watch because it's getting too ugly. I know there is an audience for horror, but a love story should contain all aspects of life, with a minimum of horror, otherwise it just becomes a horrific tragedy.

Granted, there's the whole thing about TRP, but I think the PA team can do it, as they have shown in every way so far.

I will always be proud to have been a fan of this show, above all others. Thank you to Rahul Modi, Sooraj Bharjatya, Akshay Mhatre, Sheen Dass, and all the rest of the cast and crew. It has been extremely uplifting and devastating all at the same time. That's a tremendous achievement, no matter what.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Serenity05

... Naren becomes the one to discover Supriya's truth, as well as his own birth truth, and some if not all of the deeds of the villains, exposing it all and letting Pooja know that he wants her to be able to leave, if she really so desires, with her true identity intact, and full credit for all the sacrifices she has made for the sake of himself and his entire family. Not to mention trying to express his eternal gratitude, and the fact that it could never be enough to repay her.

Perhaps I'm being naive, but it would help me to feel so much better about him, and the way the show has spiralled into such extreme negativity.

As you all said, I also found it impossible to genuinely enjoy the beauty of the marriage consummation scene despite the perfect presentation of cast and crew. It just made me wish that it could have happened when they loved each other so truly and completely in the beginning. All it did was bring tears to my heart and eyes.

I think there would still be all kinds of aspects for the writers to explore if the show is really going to continue, which I hope it will. Things such as who is Naren's father... will it be revealed that he is indeed Vyas, thus thwarting Rahul's future plans once Chandrika is known to be his mother. And what if it's not Harish who is the father, what if it's Hardik? Creating some new twists there, since his wife has always been one of the villains, and it would make Naren Rahul's elder brother, hehe.

I hope the writers can find a way to save this show, it was such an example of a new direction in the serials, where ordinary everyday occurences were skillfully turned into interesting episodes, and the lead male didn't look like all the other serial leads as he does now. It has everything, and I hoped it would become an example to the other serials, instead of caving and following their lead, thus frustrating us all, and dashing our hopes.

Piyaa Albela is still better than the others in my opinion, showcasing their skill in coming up with so many different tracks, twists and turns... way too many, in fact. It's not necessary to shock us every day of the week, lol.

Sometimes I think the PA team is confusing suspense with dread in their attempts to keep us glued to the screen. However, suspense is meant to keep us on the edge of our seats, waiting in excited anticipation for the next episode, instead of always dreading what will happen next, and feeling that we can't continue to watch because it's getting too ugly. I know there is an audience for horror, but a love story should contain all aspects of life, with a minimum of horror, otherwise it just becomes a horrific tragedy.

Granted, there's the whole thing about TRP, but I think the PA team can do it, as they have shown in every way so far.

I will always be proud to have been a fan of this show, above all others. Thank you to Rahul Modi, Sooraj Bharjatya, Akshay Mhatre, Sheen Dass, and all the rest of the cast and crew. It has been extremely uplifting and devastating all at the same time. That's a tremendous achievement, no matter what.



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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Serenity05

... Naren becomes the one to discover Supriya's truth, as well as his own birth truth, and some if not all of the deeds of the villains, exposing it all and letting Pooja know that he wants her to be able to leave, if she really so desires, with her true identity intact, and full credit for all the sacrifices she has made for the sake of himself and his entire family. Not to mention trying to express his eternal gratitude, and the fact that it could never be enough to repay her.

Perhaps I'm being naive, but it would help me to feel so much better about him, and the way the show has spiralled into such extreme negativity.

As you all said, I also found it impossible to genuinely enjoy the beauty of the marriage consummation scene despite the perfect presentation of cast and crew. It just made me wish that it could have happened when they loved each other so truly and completely in the beginning. All it did was bring tears to my heart and eyes.

I think there would still be all kinds of aspects for the writers to explore if the show is really going to continue, which I hope it will. Things such as who is Naren's father... will it be revealed that he is indeed Vyas, thus thwarting Rahul's future plans once Chandrika is known to be his mother. And what if it's not Harish who is the father, what if it's Hardik? Creating some new twists there, since his wife has always been one of the villains, and it would make Naren Rahul's elder brother, hehe.

I hope the writers can find a way to save this show, it was such an example of a new direction in the serials, where ordinary everyday occurences were skillfully turned into interesting episodes, and the lead male didn't look like all the other serial leads as he does now. It has everything, and I hoped it would become an example to the other serials, instead of caving and following their lead, thus frustrating us all, and dashing our hopes.

Piyaa Albela is still better than the others in my opinion, showcasing their skill in coming up with so many different tracks, twists and turns... way too many, in fact. It's not necessary to shock us every day of the week, lol.

Sometimes I think the PA team is confusing suspense with dread in their attempts to keep us glued to the screen. However, suspense is meant to keep us on the edge of our seats, waiting in excited anticipation for the next episode, instead of always dreading what will happen next, and feeling that we can't continue to watch because it's getting too ugly. I know there is an audience for horror, but a love story should contain all aspects of life, with a minimum of horror, otherwise it just becomes a horrific tragedy.

Granted, there's the whole thing about TRP, but I think the PA team can do it, as they have shown in every way so far.

I will always be proud to have been a fan of this show, above all others. Thank you to Rahul Modi, Sooraj Bharjatya, Akshay Mhatre, Sheen Dass, and all the rest of the cast and crew. It has been extremely uplifting and devastating all at the same time. That's a tremendous achievement, no matter what.


Very very very well said... 👏
I totally agree with you on the mixing up of suspense and dread.
Hardik being Naren's father? 😆😆 Nice thought. Rahul tou sadmay se behosh ho jayega...
You are not being naive. Where Naren is concerned, we all will eventually end up forgiving his misdeeds to some extent, no matter how much irked we are by his deviousness... 😭 But it will take some time. He cannot redeem in my eyes overnight. I actually want to see him crying and begging for mercy from Pooja, and Pooja giving him a cold shoulder for once would help me feel a lot better.. 😛 (Yes...I am a sadist! 😛)
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Serenity05

... Naren becomes the one to discover Supriya's truth, as well as his own birth truth, and some if not all of the deeds of the villains, exposing it all and letting Pooja know that he wants her to be able to leave, if she really so desires, with her true identity intact, and full credit for all the sacrifices she has made for the sake of himself and his entire family. Not to mention trying to express his eternal gratitude, and the fact that it could never be enough to repay her.

Perhaps I'm being naive, but it would help me to feel so much better about him, and the way the show has spiralled into such extreme negativity.

As you all said, I also found it impossible to genuinely enjoy the beauty of the marriage consummation scene despite the perfect presentation of cast and crew. It just made me wish that it could have happened when they loved each other so truly and completely in the beginning. All it did was bring tears to my heart and eyes.

I think there would still be all kinds of aspects for the writers to explore if the show is really going to continue, which I hope it will. Things such as who is Naren's father... will it be revealed that he is indeed Vyas, thus thwarting Rahul's future plans once Chandrika is known to be his mother. And what if it's not Harish who is the father, what if it's Hardik? Creating some new twists there, since his wife has always been one of the villains, and it would make Naren Rahul's elder brother, hehe.

No I don't think hardhik can be the father, today chandrika referred Hardik as baisaab. So yeah he can't be Naren's father. The only possibility of Naren being a vyas is if they introduce a long lost third brother. But you never know what the writers are capable of.



I hope the writers can find a way to save this show, it was such an example of a new direction in the serials, where ordinary everyday occurences were skillfully turned into interesting episodes, and the lead male didn't look like all the other serial leads as he does now. It has everything, and I hoped it would become an example to the other serials, instead of caving and following their lead, thus frustrating us all, and dashing our hopes.

Piyaa Albela is still better than the others in my opinion, showcasing their skill in coming up with so many different tracks, twists and turns... way too many, in fact. It's not necessary to shock us every day of the week, lol.

Sometimes I think the PA team is confusing suspense with dread in their attempts to keep us glued to the screen. However, suspense is meant to keep us on the edge of our seats, waiting in excited anticipation for the next episode, instead of always dreading what will happen next, and feeling that we can't continue to watch because it's getting too ugly. I know there is an audience for horror, but a love story should contain all aspects of life, with a minimum of horror, otherwise it just becomes a horrific tragedy.

Granted, there's the whole thing about TRP, but I think the PA team can do it, as they have shown in every way so far.

I will always be proud to have been a fan of this show, above all others. Thank you to Rahul Modi, Sooraj Bharjatya, Akshay Mhatre, Sheen Dass, and all the rest of the cast and crew. It has been extremely uplifting and devastating all at the same time. That's a tremendous achievement, no matter what.


@bold: well said👏 yeah instead of creating anticipation for the next episode, they are making the viewers dread to watch the next episode. They say too much of anything is not good. That goes so well with the PA. They fill the lead couples life with so much negativity, distress and hatred for each other due to each other that it is tiring us.

As far as Naren's redemption is concerned, well I truly believe that what ever works against humanity should never be forgiven. We should not confuse between a mistake and a crime, a mistake and a sin. A mistake can be forgiven coz it's a human quality, while a crime or sin cannot & should not be forgiven because it's against humanity and not every wrong we do can be camouflaged as mistake.

My issue with the writers is they went too far with Naren's hatred. Just to make the show more melodramatic, they carelessly rubbed the line between anger & hatred. I kept writing here in this forum that while Naren's anger, annoyance and frustration is acceptable even if it were for unjustified reasons, but his hatred is absolutely not acceptable coz it's completely misplaced. But they went ahead and now how they salvage him, well they can try, whether we buy it not is our choice.
Edited by anoosree - 7 years ago
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: Doc.love


Very very very well said... 👏
I totally agree with you on the mixing up of suspense and dread.
Hardik being Naren's father? 😆😆 Nice thought. Rahul tou sadmay se behosh ho jayega...
You are not being naive. Where Naren is concerned, we all will eventually end up forgiving his misdeeds to some extent, no matter how much irked we are by his deviousness... 😭 But it will take some time. He cannot redeem in my eyes overnight. I actually want to see him crying and begging for mercy from Pooja, and Pooja giving him a cold shoulder for once would help me feel a lot better.. 😛 (Yes...I am a sadist! 😛)


Thank you! Yes, I totally agree that it will take time to change our perception of Naren given what he has done.

I hope PA has enough time to recover. Villains can go jump in a lake for all I care, I'm not seeking their redemption. Just their exposure, and the clipping of their wings. They've been flying way too high.

I would love to be able to admire the beauty of Naren's (malanga, albela) soul once again, without being rudely awakened by his sudden bouts of stupidity. :D Not too often, anyway. I so enjoyed watching the way he and Pooja loved each other before.

I've been enjoying reading your posts, for the insight as well as the wit. Your down-to-earth analyses certainly lighten the mood after watching all the doom and gloom on the show. :D


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: anoosree


@bold: well said👏 yeah instead of creating anticipation for the next episode, they are making the viewers dread to watch the next episode. They say too much of anything is not good. That goes so well with the PA. They fill the lead couples life with so much negativity, distress and hatred for each other due to each other that it is tiring us.

As far as Naren's redemption is concerned, well I truly believe that what ever works against humanity should never be forgiven. We should not confuse between a mistake and a crime, a mistake and a sin. A mistake can be forgiven coz it's a human quality, while a crime or sin cannot & should not be forgiven because it's against humanity and not every wrong we do can be camouflaged as mistake.

My issue with the writers is they went too far with Naren's hatred. Just to make the show more melodramatic, they carelessly rubbed the line between anger & hatred. I kept writing here in this forum that while Naren's anger, annoyance and frustration is acceptable even if it were for unjustified reasons, but his hatred is absolutely not acceptable coz it's completely misplaced. But they went ahead and now how they salvage him, well they can try, whether we buy it not is our choice.



Thanks! I agree. I could never defend what Naren has done, it's indefensible. I'm just wanting to see him start the journey of becoming an honourable man once again. No one is perfect, and it's not required, he's only human.

"One cannot always be a hero, but one can always be a man." (Goethe)

Our one-time hero needs to show that he can be more than just an emotional, vindictive, angry young man. One who has learned life's lessons, and will at least try to put them to good use to the best of his ability. That's the most anyone can do.

Pooja needs to do some soul searching, as well. Stop protecting Naren from himself by lying all the time, as if he can't learn to face things and resolve them on his own terms, albeit with her help. She's a very strong ally, they would be invincible if they could work together, as life partners should.

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Posted: 7 years ago
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@ serenity05 ...Hehe.. Thank you.. I am glad my posts could make you happy after going through the torture of PA.. 😆😆
You are right on all accounts.
The Naren that we all had fallen in love was simple , impulsive and not at all materialistic. He was never shown as emotionally strong and he had always needed Pooja to provide him a strong pillar of support. That Naren used to get angry easily, but he was not vindictive. He was the opposite of a hero that we see or read about. I loved their equation before their marriage so much because where he was a weakling from our normal male standards, Pooja was his opposite and they used to work together perfectly fine...
The problem with the latest version of Naren is that he has totally forgotten what he was. He was pushed into the bad world so hard (by his parents and Pooja) that he lost his balance completely. Aur harkaton mien uss ne koi aur hi train pakar ly. 😕 Abh woh train Rishikesh ke bajaye usko chennai le gai hai aur chennai mien he is stuck now. The fact that intrinsically hes the same as before is this that he still cannot judge people correctly...he still is a weakling emotionally and mentally as well...and he still needs Pooja as a drug.
Pooja has been there for him all along... but when Pooja also caught the wrong train by lying to him and not trusting him with the truth, thats where she also went somewhere else instead of her destination. Aik baar jhoot for his benefit was ... chalo..okay.. but baar baar jhoot kisi bhi insan k liye buht kharab hota hai. The circumstances were such that Pooja ended up doing all that...but still...i cant justify her lies completely. Instead of giving support to him, she started making decisions for him also...decisions about their marriage...decisions about the truths etc. And that is extremely wrong in a relationship jismien agla banda pehle soch aur aqal ke maamlay mien kaafi naazuk hai! 😕😆😆
I think PA's story is a perfect example of How-We-Ruin-Our-Relationships!
I keep blaming the writers for butchering the characters to a no redemption point...esp.for Naren. But today i am reflecting it all in a different light. Writers fell for the trp trap-true. As anoosree says, they went completely berserk in making Naren a villain too... I keep saying that hes a changed version and this and that... but today i feel ke ander se woh abhi bhi wohi pagla deewana admi hai jo sarkon per kapray utaar ker chal parta tha, jiski ooper ki manzil kafi hili hui thy... aur jo apne dushman aur dost mien kabhi farq nahi ker paaya tha... 😆 😆 And hes the same Naren jis ke peeche aadhi duniya dushman thy.. 😛 Bass he has turned into one hot cupcake.. and his ego has inflated to a height from where his judgement gets completely clouded (jo ke already kamzor hoty hai!).
Today, I am thinking that his inflated ego, his almost maniacal behavior towards Pooja can also be a sub-conscious effort to protect his heart from getting hurt again by Pooja's ultay seedhay lies. I still remember the 1st time she left him due to kundali dosh... MY GOD!!! She could have killed him with a bullet and thay would have been kinder for him than what her words had done at that time. Massive damage... 😕 i still shudder when i remember that scene and Naren's helplessness at that point. Now the current molding of Naren can be like a defence mechanism...although he went totally out of line by committing the CRIME of attempted murder...not once, but more than once. 😕 and that is really hard to overlook...lekin mujhe lagta hai ke shayad kuch time baad i will end up letting bygones be bygones... 😕 (mera dil bhi kitna pagal hai, yeh pyar ussi ghadhay se kerta hai!😕)
About the Dushmans of the show...well they are just tooo many to even count and the weirdest thing is that those who are not completely negative, even they get their chance to play villains in alternative tracks. 😆😆 so this show is really good if someone wants to debut as a villain! 😆 Apart from Rahul and Nilu, i want every moron to get lost from Naren Pooja's lives... 😛 This show is also about 50 shades of grey in the Vyas Mansion as everyone is either totally black or grey and no one is completely white... 😕 not even that useless Dada ji! 😛

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Thanks! I agree. I could never defend what Naren has done, it's indefensible. I'm just wanting to see him start the journey of becoming an honourable man once again. No one is perfect, and it's not required, he's only human.

@ bold: That would be something really interesting to look forward to.

"One cannot always be a hero, but one can always be a man." (Goethe)

Our one-time hero needs to show that he can be more than just an emotional, vindictive, angry young man. One who has learned life's lessons, and will at least try to put them to good use to the best of his ability. That's the most anyone can do.

To begin with Naren with all his flaws was a very sensitive person full of compassion for all the living beings. We can't deny that he had to get a little pragmatic and had to learn the rules of the world to lead a purposeful life. But In the process of making him pragmatic they just turned him into this insensitive selfish evil man who would not hesitate to even kill his own to satiate his ego. From a person who could not withstand the death of a pet to a person who plotted to kill his own innocent wife! this journey is dreadful. Ise kehathe hai insaan ko jaanwar banana. Naren was a grownup child, he had to become a responsible man, instead of adding grey shades to his character, they turned him Completely black. Which was not necessary, if they are going to pin this all to the adversaries he faced, then that's really sad coz adversaries should never be an excuse to unleash the beast inside us. Think of it, by this logic every offense committed under the sun can be justified & reasoned out. Just to spice up the plot the writers handled his character with extreme carelessness. What was further disturbing is that they were trying to justify such an awful transition as some kind of an albelapan...uniqueness. My issue is not with Naren, I am disappointed with the way the writer sketched his character.

It's fine to highlighted the goodness in Raavan, what is not ok is to glorify the devil in Ram.

Pooja needs to do some soul searching, as well. Stop protecting Naren from himself by lying all the time, as if he can't learn to face things and resolve them on his own terms, albeit with her help. She's a very strong ally, they would be invincible if they could work together, as life partners should.

I agree here, for her part she committed a lot of mistakes in name of shielding him. But we can't completely blame her as she has witnessed Naren's extreme emotional outbursts. It's really difficult for her as a Wife to hold herself when he is in distress and let him come out of it on his own, this is the reason why I want her to leave him in guilt. It's only when he is left alone in guilt that he might do some soul searching which could eventually make him a strong person.


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@ doc.love ... You are absolutely right. And causing me to reflect on a new level, also. About heroes and crimes.

I saw Naren as a "hero" in the sense that before, he always stood up for what was "right". He defended/fought for the rights of others, and was always ready to get the guilty punished for their misdeeds. Ready to accept punishment himself if he thought he may have done wrong.

I'm remembering things like the way he stood up for Pooja when he discovered that she was attacked by Rahul at the guest house. He thought she was a servant then, and he promptly called the police to arrest his cousin. The way he "forged a relationship" as he put it, so he could teach the children of Rangali (sp?) thus creating the hope of a better future for them.

The two times he married Pooja were also like acts of heroism, in a sense. He was the one who ended up rescuing Pooja and sorting out the mess which Dada ji's legacy to Pooja caused. Before that, he and Mayank rescued Pooja from the goons who tried to rape her.

Time and again he stood up for Pooja and his mother when they were mistreated. Kept bringing Pooja back, and protecting her from the hatred and abuse/misdeeds of his own family. Villains were never able to succeed in their attempts to hurt or kill Pooja. He saved her from the well, Mr. Kapoor... the list is endless.

His lack of emotional control has always been his weakness. I totally agree that he has committed CRIMES, usually because of that lack of emotional control. Crimes of passion, in other words. Still, crimes.

His mother Supriya has used this weakness of his to blackmail him emotionally, to the point where he almost went crazy over the fact that he couldn't bring himself to avenge her suffering, because he couldn't help loving Pooja. As Danish said, he was trying or pretending (and ultimately failing) to be a bad/hard-hearted person, which goes against his true nature.

Serious, heinous crimes have been committed over and over again in this serial, from outright cold-blooded murder to emotional and physical abuse. These crimes have been committed because of greed, and lust, by everyone, from the police, doctors, you name it, to family members/loved ones. We move on past them even though the perpetrators have never been punished, perhaps because the show is fictional, and forces us to suspend logic, and also because we don't hold villains to a higher standard, or have emotional attachments to them.

I've heard people wishing Surbhi would come back, simply because she was preferable to Naina, who is a cold-blooded murderer. Killing with her own hand. Well, Surbhi is also a murderer, manipulating others to commit murder for her. I have to admit she is preferable to Naina, though.

I can't make excuses, but Naren's crimes have always been crimes of passion. The thing is, his crimes hurt me more deeply, seem uglier, because I love his character so much. Even before it came to attempted murder, when he would push Pooja, use ugly words to describe her and Chandrika, it broke my heart.

Back when other people were committing murder or other crimes, I never felt like I couldn't watch the show... I was disgusted, but on the contrary, I was looking forward to seeing the crimes exposed. They never were. Naren's crimes have been known to all. How ironic. And now, we all want to see him suffer, and hate his character, even though he couldn't go through with his foolish plans.

I want to see him pay for what he has done, learn from it, and change his life for the better. I want that for all of them, just so they can leave Narja to live a more normal life. Or go jump in a lake, as I said before.


Even if Naren was never a hero, I want him to always be a "man". In the true sense of the word. Ready to fight, even to kill in self defense, or to save others, if he has to. I believe that's the only time we could ever be justified in taking a life... the way Pooja did.

From the segments I've seen, we are about to see Naren beg, plead, and suffer for what he has done. Perhaps losing the person he lives for. I want to see the people who have so relentlessly caused problems in Pooja and Naren's lives brought to whatever justice can exist in this fictional drama.

Naren and Pooja have suffered horrendously... the villains haven't. Not yet, anyway. Too bad serials usually end once that happens. How about just exposing some of the crimes, and moving on to new twists and turns? After a break in the negativity, I might add. Not going to happen, it seems. I just don't see why problems can't build gradually, instead of crashing down the minute misunderstandings are cleared. ;) Literally. lol.

What a mouthful, please forgive me if I've gone on too long. It's great to see all the different perspectives. They are all valid. It's a credit to PA that it causes such discourse.

Edited by Serenity05 - 7 years ago
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@ anoosree ...
I totally agree that the writers got carried away with Naren's character. It's as if they went down a path that they didn't know how to return from, and kept digging deeper and deeper holes for him.

I also agree with what you said about Pooja. I've always realised that she understands Naren very well, and knows how he will react, so she usually prefers to go the route of keeping things from him that might cause him to freak out emotionally and do something drastic. It scares her, and rightly so.

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