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poppinss

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Posted: 7 years ago

Yesterday's episode was totally boring with the hero treating the heroine badly and she puts up with all that s**t. Typical Saas Bahu anti hero hero stuff.

I was confused why there was no explanation for the portrait coming out bad. Also how can a guy predict a happy married couple by painting portraits! I fell off my chair with that one. Did I miss something?

The CVS have totally lost it. There is no rhyme or reason to the episodes no continuity. Scenes are not properly finished and lots are left to imagination. Only thing that is predictable is the trip and fall. As if to cover up the mess that they have created with their writing there is a trip and fall for every episode. Is that how love happens.

Can they please remove Niranjan Iyengar as the dialogue writer there is absolutely no punch in the dialogues. The episodes since the marriage are really really shoddy.

PS The correct word that I was searching for was... Diya was / is being treated as a commodity to please Ratan. Yes she got married. But did she sign up to let herself be treated like so?

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foresight

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Posted: 7 years ago

The reason you are feeling things a bit disjointed has nothing to do with writing or dialogues and everything to do with execution and the need to squeeze a specific theme in.

The writers through out have been very logical about the broad story and where it needs to go as well as how it needs to go there and what will be the reaction of the characters. they have also been good at pre-empting the audience questions.

Similarly, it has been the same dialogue writer who has written amazing dialogues before the marriage and during it as well as after it. the dialogues aren't meaning less. the dialogue yest between yash and diya was good. so was the conversation between sakshi-ratan; ratan-yash after he is hurt and nitya-KM.

the failure is to some extent in editing which is making it patchy. and one of the side reason for that might be that they squeezed in a lot of shots with tejasswi before she left and as they were doing them again with others, they didn't fit in properly

another reason for this is the theme that sony is trying to drive across its shows "Virodh or VIrudh" It was in Sai. It was in Porus. It is in RLHN. that needed showing bemel shaadi and objections from society. the best way to show objections from society is through their comment...comments during the rituals.

family is going that partially. but for society to do it, rituals need to begin. post marriage rituals feature the heroine prominently...rasoi...mu dikhayi...pag phere. they need a lot of scene with the heroine to make happen. but with marraige sequence shooting stretching a lot, i don't think they had enough to wait for her to come back and do the heavy scenes and still have epis for the week. so they did scenes that were light on her and heavy on others. portrait fit in perfectly with that + showing bemel jodi.

i know i am going to get a lot of flak for talking about the teja being away. i am not blaming her for it. just that planning her being away was probably not managed well by all concerned.

again...that is not the only issue. this theme squeezing has a part in it too.

as for the portrait coming out bad...wasnt it expected? not just to show bemel jodi but the fact that the leads were supposed to be depressed with what happened to them and the fact that they are where they don't want to be.

as for the painter...that was a bit forced and could have been turned into some other comment...though to be fair i am not sure what.

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desiseriesfan

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Posted: 7 years ago

I can understand why you have freaked out. I did that also yesterday. Because you love Diya and I love her too.

The thing what Foresight said is right.

The main thing is Ratan the hero of the show is the villain here. I think makers are trying to make him more and more evil. But why? I don't know the reason. It is like that all the "Hamlawar Track" was just to make Diya and Abhay i.e. Ratan marry. So why he is jerk? for some other track... I guess. Though it might not be logical but still I think Ratan angry with Diya does make sense because at the end of the episode Ratan was venting all her anger not only because he is married with her but also she once said bhala bura to him. Actually the last one is the main reason. If Diya and Ratan had no fight in the pub that night we would be able to see the friendly Ratan after marriage.

About the writer, writer logo ki bohot buri hal hai TV industry mey. Have you watched "I Don't Watch TV" web series on YouTube? The series, in a funny way explains a lot about TV industry. So what I am saying, it is not always good to accuse writers only because they write what the HIGHER AUTHORITY tells them to write. But I really think the creative head should be changed because the first 7 episodes were awesome and marvelous in every perspective- action(Diya-Yash, my favorite in the desert, Diya's sword fighting with CT), location, romance(my favorite the NADA, DiRa on secret chamber, when Ratan gave her gangli phool scene, Ratan tried to kiss Diya i.e. camel), friendship, villains(Priya was dumb but still miss her). The main thing is the TRP was also high(0.7-0.8). Oh those days!

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poppinss

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Posted: 7 years ago

@Foresight, @Nancy I get where you guys are coming from... but, the writing is ok to decent at some places. Yesterday's Yash and Diya interaction was a repeat scene from PPK as Prasunoid pointed out in her post (sorry if I spelt the name wrong 😊)

Ratan's and Diya's characters are totally off. Its like every time they muck up they give us a slip and fall sequence.

I have seen Niranjan's Wake up with Sid. He was one of the reasons for me to watch PPK. Infact the initial scene of PPK where the 9 year old Ratan catches Diya from falling was cliched but darned funny and was also making fun of such cliched scenes oft repeated on TV. I am seriously missing that kind of writing here. Also scenes where Diya was like 007 and Ratan was the damsel in distress but always wrong. Diya could predict what he would do next. Those were the scenes that we loved the most.

Another problem that I have is that how could a strong Diya meekly accept this whole thing... I cant but compare this with another show where the lead point blank refuses to let others bully and force her. I expected that of Diya... but here we have a Gobi Bahu 😉.

Execution is terrible agreed. But the writing for what ever reasons is very inconsistent. Yesterday, why did no one ask why Ratan's painting was not done ok? or did they?

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111192

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: poppinss
@Foresight, @Nancy I get where you guys are coming from... but, the writing is ok to decent at some places. Yesterday's Yash and Diya interaction was a repeat scene from PPK as Prasunoid pointed out in her post (sorry if I spelt the name wrong 😊)
Ratan's and Diya's characters are totally off. Its like every time they muck up they give us a slip and fall sequence.

I have seen Niranjan's Wake up with Sid. He was one of the reasons for me to watch PPK. Infact the initial scene of PPK where the 9 year old Ratan catches Diya from falling was cliched but darned funny and was also making fun of such cliched scenes oft repeated on TV. I am seriously missing that kind of writing here. Also scenes where Diya was like 007 and Ratan was the damsel in distress but always wrong. Diya could predict what he would do next. Those were the scenes that we loved the most.

Another problem that I have is that how could a strong Diya meekly accept this whole thing... I cant but compare this with another show where the lead point blank refuses to let others bully and force her. I expected that of Diya... but here we have a Gobi Bahu 😉.

Execution is terrible agreed. But the writing for what ever reasons is very inconsistent. Yesterday, why did no one ask why Ratan's painting was not done ok? or did they?

Sorry for butting in but i think diya accepted to get married so easily was that she was already under the guilt that her parents had to suffer for 12 years because of her decision and now if she doesn't agree then her parents will again have to listen to taunts regarding her being unmarried and may be cause of character assassination which was done by abhay...so for her this marriage is out of guilt rather than weakness.

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desiseriesfan

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: poppinss
@Foresight, @Nancy I get where you guys are coming from... but, the writing is ok to decent at some places. Yesterday's Yash and Diya interaction was a repeat scene from PPK as Prasunoid pointed out in her post (sorry if I spelt the name wrong 😊)
Ratan's and Diya's characters are totally off. Its like every time they muck up they give us a slip and fall sequence.

I have seen Niranjan's Wake up with Sid. He was one of the reasons for me to watch PPK. Infact the initial scene of PPK where the 9 year old Ratan catches Diya from falling was cliched but darned funny and was also making fun of such cliched scenes oft repeated on TV. I am seriously missing that kind of writing here. Also scenes where Diya was like 007 and Ratan was the damsel in distress but always wrong. Diya could predict what he would do next. Those were the scenes that we loved the most.

Another problem that I have is that how could a strong Diya meekly accept this whole thing... I cant but compare this with another show where the lead point blank refuses to let others bully and force her. I expected that of Diya... but here we have a Gobi Bahu 😉.

Execution is terrible agreed. But the writing for what ever reasons is very inconsistent. Yesterday, why did no one ask why Ratan's painting was not done ok? or did they?

It actually looked wired that the family members didn't noticed that. I surrender about the painting swollen lips of Ratan.

Edited by nancy505 - 7 years ago

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foresight

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: poppinss
@Foresight, @Nancy I get where you guys are coming from... but, the writing is ok to decent at some places. Yesterday's Yash and Diya interaction was a repeat scene from PPK as Prasunoid pointed out in her post (sorry if I spelt the name wrong 😊)
Ratan's and Diya's characters are totally off. Its like every time they muck up they give us a slip and fall sequence.

I have seen Niranjan's Wake up with Sid. He was one of the reasons for me to watch PPK. Infact the initial scene of PPK where the 9 year old Ratan catches Diya from falling was cliched but darned funny and was also making fun of such cliched scenes oft repeated on TV. I am seriously missing that kind of writing here. Also scenes where Diya was like 007 and Ratan was the damsel in distress but always wrong. Diya could predict what he would do next. Those were the scenes that we loved the most.

Another problem that I have is that how could a strong Diya meekly accept this whole thing... I cant but compare this with another show where the lead point blank refuses to let others bully and force her. I expected that of Diya... but here we have a Gobi Bahu 😉.

Execution is terrible agreed. But the writing for what ever reasons is very inconsistent. Yesterday, why did no one ask why Ratan's painting was not done ok? or did they?

Is that so bad if they picked up what was a good scene from PPK? Honestly, I have seen PPK but seeing it here again wasn't bad and didn't feel bad.

Every serial has a writer who writes the main story, broad structure and scene structure. Then comes the screen play guys and convert it into how it is going to be shown on TV scene by scene and then comes the dialogue writer giving dialogues for those very scenes that are worked out by someone. so the slip and fall to me (which i completely agree is happening way too much...not that that is not the case in every serial annoying as it is) seems to be the fault in screen play primarily. and screen structure to a very small extent. would i like to see that cleaned up more...absolutely. I am there with you in that.

Diya can still predict what he is going to do. she knows why he is doing it as well. she is just being patient. she said that herself ...he is taking out his frustration. that is not right of course even if expected in the situation. but what i am saying is that this is not a case of her not knowing what is going on with him and how he is going to react. this is more about her being restricted from reacting to him the same way she would have before because of her parents...because of her promise to give the marraige a try..because she doesnt know how to herself deal with their changed equation as she has well admitted to eesha. she never wanted to go to his room. she knew she needed time. they needed time. she is not being given that.

she may seem meek ...but she is not meekly accepting this. she is begrudgingly quashing all her questions and anger and objections to fulfil her promise and wishes to her parents. because she feels immense guilt towards them ...for what happened when she walked out. for what she saw them go through when abhay walked out. even the strongest girl in the world..esp an indian girl still wants to be the best daughter to their parents...even today and will sometimes bite the bullet for their happiness once in a while.

i cannot say i have seen SNS. not my kind of show. but i know the docile bahu who listen to everyone and feel that that is the right thing to do even in their heart and their head. Diya is not that. she knows this is wrong. she isn't okay with this. she is just stuck with the situation where her hands have been forcefully tied. they wont be tied for long. but they also cannot be opened 1 day into the wedding which happened in far from normal circumstances.

yesterday sakshi did say that the painting turned out pale and bad and lack lustre. they didn't comment specifically about ratan i would imagine because that would have been odd right..telling this "famous" waiter that you messed up when they were trying to keep deadlines for his sake when otherwise a royal couple would have gotten precedence in terms of managing the timing...but sakshi did comment that it made clear that they are bemel jodi. everyone in the family looked to agree. so they did speak it out.

that is when the painter said i don't know what is the issue between the two of you that is coming out pretty obvious to all of us, but i have seen a lot of pairs in my lifetime and i see the hallmarks of you being a good pair. he sort of left implying that they should try to resolve whatever is the issue going on between them.

Edited by foresight - 7 years ago

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poppinss

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: 111192

Sorry for butting in but i think diya accepted to get married so easily was that she was already under the guilt that her parents had to suffer for 12 years because of her decision and now if she doesn't agree then her parents will again have to listen to taunts regarding her being unmarried and may be cause of character assassination which was done by abhay...so for her this marriage is out of guilt rather than weakness.

Please butt in... thats the point of this post.

I am not questioning her decision. But, after the marriage, to put things crudely, looks like people want her to be attractive so that Ratan is sexually attracted to her, so that they get a future vaaris?

So she is expected to sleep with him, when she knows what he is going through or what she herself is feeling? Things will happen eventually, but to force it on herself at this point... to me looks crude.

Also wasn't Diya the one who wanted to stay in the hotel room and was telling her sis that she and Ratan could never get close? Its strange that on one hand she mouths this dialogue and in the next she listens to KM and acts like she is wooing Ratan?

What the... 😆😆

PS: by accepting I do not mean the marriage. That is a done deal and that is fine. She made that decision.

She doing the rituals, I do not question. But why does she not ask KM and others for some space for both herself and Ratan? And Diya is in many ways being inconsiderate towards Ratan. She knows what he is going through. Ratan is another story... a poorly written character.

I cannot help but compare the with the other show that I watched. There the FL stood up to her decisions. Hope makers bring back that old Diya. This one is surely not that!!

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foresight

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Posted: 7 years ago

Originally posted by: nancy505

family is in awe of the artist...they are trying to accommodate him rather than the royal couple coming first. i don't think anyone would have commented on him being bad painter...and stuck to saying the painting looked pale and had no life in it.

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111192

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: foresight

Is that so bad if they picked up what was a good scene from PPK? Honestly, I have seen PPK but seeing it here again wasn't bad and didn't feel bad.

Every serial has a writer who writes the main story, broad structure and scene structure. Then comes the screen play guys and convert it into how it is going to be shown on TV scene by scene and then comes the dialogue writer giving dialogues for those very scenes that are worked out by someone. so the slip and fall to me (which i completely agree is happening way too much...not that that is not the case in every serial annoying as it is) seems to be the fault in screen play primarily. and screen structure to a very small extent. would i like to see that cleaned up more...absolutely. I am there with you in that.

Diya can still predict what he is going to do. she knows why he is doing it as well. she is just being patient. she said that herself ...he is taking out his frustration. that is not right of course even if expected in the situation. but what i am saying is that this is not a case of her not knowing what is going on with him and how he is going to react. this is more about her being restricted from reacting to him the same way she would have before because of her parents...because of her promise to give the marraige a try..because she doesnt know how to herself deal with their changes equation as she has well admired to eesha. she never wanted to go to his room. she knew she needed time. they needed time. she is not being given that.

👏 Well said

she may see meek ...but she is not meekly accepting this. she is begrudgingly quashing all her questions and anger and objections to fulfil her promise and wishes to her parents. because she feels immense guilt towards them ...for what happened when she walked out. for what she saw them go through when abhay walked out. even the strongest girl in the world..esp an indian girl still wants to be the best daughter to their parents...even today and will sometimes bite the bullet for their happiness once in a while.

i cannot say i have seen SNS. not my kind of show. but i know the docile bahu who listen to everyone and feel that that is the right thing to do even in their heart and their head. Diya is not that. she knows this is wrong. she isn't okay with this. she is just stuck with the situation where her hands have been forcefully tied. they wont be tied for long. but they also cannot be opened 1 day into the wedding which happened in far from normal circumstances.

yesterday sakshi did say that the painting turned out pale and bad and lack lustre. they didn't comment specifically about ratan i would imagine because that would have been odd right..telling this "famous" waiter that you messed up when they were trying to keep deadlines for his sake when otherwise a royal couple would have gotten precedence in terms of managing the timing...but sakshi did comment that it made clear that they are bemel jodi. everyone in the family looked to agree. so they did speak it out.

that is when the painter said i don't know what is the issue between the two of you that is coming out pretty obvious to all of us, but i have seen a lot of pairs in my lifetime and i see the hallmarks of you being a good pair. he sort of left implying that they should try to resolve whatever is the issue going on between them.

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