Legal and Ethical sides

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I really hope the show focuses on the legal and ethical side of Teni's Mastani thoughts. Bajirao-Mastani belonged to a period where polygamy was accepted (although not in Bajirao's family or his culture). In today's period even Indian Muslims do not opt for polygamy marriages even though no law forbids them from practicing it as they considered it ethically wrong. Shorvori's consent has nothing to do with it. The law does not allow a Hindu married man to marry for the second time without legally separating form his first wife.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The show cvs have never thought about the logical aspects of it. For example only married women can be surrogate mothers, but here Teni an unmarried girl is chosen by Parth, which even a doctor like Jalpa approves. So the very first logical aspect about this surrogacy itself wasn't taken care by the cvs. As for this Mastani promo, Parth marrying Teni as his second wife isn't possible until Shorvari is alive. So don't know why and how on what basis Shorvari would accept to let Parth marry her. Most possible track would be Teni becoming negative and blackmailing Shorvari to accept her getting married to Parth.

They're hell bent on showing a triangle love between the Father, wife and surrogate. This show isn't exactly showing the complications of surrogacy and the problems surrogates can face while going through this procedure.., rather they're more interested in showing the complications that can rise with a surrogate's entry in a couple's life which can turn their life upside down. Logics has nothing to do with this show anymore
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Posted: 8 years ago
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My mother is a lawyer and I never knew that surrogate mothers can cause complications of this magnitude in the couple's life.
The interaction between the couple and the surrogate mother is strictly controlled by the lawyer.
Also, as Sudha said, only married women are allowed to be surrogate mothers but here Teni is unmarried.
Also, believe it or not, DSDT soon gonna end.
It was always supposed to be a finite show designed to run till Bigg Boss comes back.
One of my friend's uncles work in the Colors marketing team and he said that Mahakali might replace DSDT in the 10 pm time slot.
The channel is still not sure of this show's success since the only time they get humongous trps is when Mahasangams happen.
In fact, one such MS is planned for tomorrow too.
No show can run long by just depending on MS with Top 20 shows.
And DSDT really don't have much content to run for 2-3yrs atleast.
It's better for the channel to close down a worthless show that is a failure in terms of both trps and plotlines .
In fact, channels are nowadays closing down shows for the lack of feasible future tracks and not just trps.
Channels are looking for shows that'll give them trps on the long run, not badly scripted shows which has a sudden spike in trps just by showing Mahasangam and nonsense drama for a week.
Also Ishqbaaz and DBO are getting combined for a 1 hr show-it'll be impossible for DSDT to beat them.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Luna99

My mother is a lawyer and I never knew that surrogate mothers can cause complications of this magnitude in the couple's life.

The interaction between the couple and the surrogate mother is strictly controlled by the lawyer.
Also, as Sudha said, only married women are allowed to be surrogate mothers but here Teni is unmarried.
Also, believe it or not, DSDT soon gonna end.
It was always supposed to be a finite show designed to run till Bigg Boss comes back.
One of my friend's uncles work in the Colors marketing team and he said that Mahakali might replace DSDT in the 10 pm time slot.
The channel is still not sure of this show's success since the only time they get humongous trps is when Mahasangams happen.
In fact, one such MS is planned for tomorrow too.
No show can run long by just depending on MS with Top 20 shows.
And DSDT really don't have much content to run for 2-3yrs atleast.
It's better for the channel to close down a worthless show that is a failure in terms of both trps and plotlines .
In fact, channels are nowadays closing down shows for the lack of feasible future tracks and not just trps.
Channels are looking for shows that'll give them trps on the long run, not badly scripted shows which has a sudden spike in trps just by showing Mahasangam and nonsense drama for a week.
Also Ishqbaaz and DBO are getting combined for a 1 hr show-it'll be impossible for DSDT to beat them.




I have no idea if this is a finite show..coz jasmin denied saying that its not a finite drama..and the change in time slot also made me think maybe its not..
This show isnt about surrogacy or its complications anymore..its more about teni..her feeling her struggle her love her this and that...and now its about who is better for the husband..the wife who cant concieve or the surrogate who can give him the babyđŸ€Ș
But as per some rumours wasnt Mahakali replacing Thapki..that show is ending to make way for mahakali..
These guys can show so much drama over the theme they have chosen...but honestly speaking all their focus is only on teni and the childless couple are ignored big time to focus on her..tats why they have lost track of what to show and what not to show...lets see what they are planning to do in the coming episodes..
Edited by Shambavishivam - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shambavishivam




I have no idea if this is a finite show..coz jasmin denied saying that its not a finite drama..and the change in time slot also made me think maybe its not..
This show isnt about surrogacy or its complications anymore..its more about teni..her feeling her struggle her love her this and that...and now its about who is better for the husband..the wife who cant concieve or the surrogate who can give him the babyđŸ€Ș
But as per some rumours wasnt Mahakali replacing Thapki..that show is ending to make way for mahakali..
These guys can show so much drama over the theme they have chosen...but honestly speaking all their focus is only on teni and the childless couple are ignored big time to focus on her..tats why they have lost track of what to show and what not to show...lets see what they are planning to do in the coming episodes..

Luna@ Surrogate mothers may not necessarily live with the couples, since the Surrogate will be married in reality, there won't be chances of Surrogate falling for the biological father. And like you said the lawyers will play the mediator between the two. So there's hardly any chances of this kind of situations.

Lav@ Who is better for the husband?😆 wonder why this question arose, Honestly speaking, Parth himself has made it very much clear that no body can be like his Shorvari, nor take her place in his life and heart. I wish Teni should try to know parth's perception over her love for him, before she goes to any extremesđŸ„±

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Posted: 8 years ago
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@sudha I agree that parth has made his stand clear several times..i am talking in general ma..the way teni gets the intuition about parth being in danger..those rituals..all those makes it look like they are showing a competition of who is better off for the hubby
Recent episodes of parth thinking like teni is one more of such stupid things...
As long as they show parth stand for his love shorvari the show will have some respect..else this will be one disastrous story which was showing adultery in the name of some dilchasp rishta
Sashi mittal had recently told in an interview which was posted here in this forum that they wanted to show surrogacy in a different light..and wanted the family to accept the surrogate mothers..but if they show surrogate mother falling for the father and the relationship of the husband and wife itself in jeopardy than forget accepting the surrogate mother no one will opt for this process at all..
As a woman she needs to put herself in shorvari's place and then write the story..the current story is really very very annoying the way the wife is made to look.. the hubby is behaving and dont even get me started over the surrogate mother..
Edited by Shambavishivam - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shambavishivam

@sudha I agree that parth has made his stand clear several times..i am talking in general ma..the way teni gets the intuition about parth being in danger..those rituals..all those makes it look like they are showing a competition of who is better off for the hubby
Recent episodes of parth thinking like teni is one more of such stupid things...
As long as they show parth stand for his love shorvari the show will have some respect..else this will be one disastrous story which was showing adultery in the name of some dilchasp rishta
Sashi mittal had recently told in an interview which was posted here in this forum that they wanted to show surrogacy in a different light..and wanted the family to accept the surrogate mothers..but if they show surrogate mother falling for the father and the relationship of the husband and wife itself in jeopardy than forget accepting the surrogate mother no one will opt for this process at all..
As a woman she needs to put herself in shorvari's place and then write the story..the current story is really very very annoying the way the wife is made to look.. the hubby is behaving and dont even get me started over the surrogate mother..


I do have expressed my annoyance at that intuition scene where Teni reaches Parth and Shorvari comes later. Don't know why it was shown that way, It need not to create a belief that Teni's so called love is better than Shorvari's. Since the creatives would know that It wont be acceptable for majority of viewers especially married (read)Indian women who give the show their Trp ratings.

Parth's behaviour of hiding things to Shorvari about Teni reaching there and now this new developments of him thinking like Teni is all to create a hype and confusion in the viewer's minds. It wasn't exactly what was expected of Parth, but I feel he's just thinking of her as a close friend and nothing more. We do get influenced seeing our close friends doing certain things in a different way than we do. I see Parth's behaviour like that.

The cvs have messed up the storyline badly. They're not clear what's working for their ratings. So they're relying on too much negativity, hyped promos, and of course Teni's obsession over Parth. With this Pooja drama all the above mentioned stuff was proved to be TRP garners. So they're sticking to that. When they realise that it's spoiling their characters and show on a whole they may try to do damage control by bringing an overnight change in the characters, and at that point of time viewers would probably have lost their interest in the show.

As for Shashi Mittal, she could be thinking along the lines of Teni's feelings being respected, but only if she'd known where to draw the line on their too much focus on her, things would've been lot better. After seeing Teni the surrogate falling for Parth the biological father, I don't think no one can trust or accept surrogate mothers as a part of their family.

If it was shown in a different way, Like she genuinely liking Aman and marrying him, and becoming a true part of the Bhanushali's that would have been Lot better, a much better message of acceptance which they wanted to show. With Parth and Teni angle they can never achieve anything except earn an overall disgust for the surrogate mothers.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Luna99

My mother is a lawyer and I never knew that surrogate mothers can cause complications of this magnitude in the couple's life.

The interaction between the couple and the surrogate mother is strictly controlled by the lawyer.
Also, as Sudha said, only married women are allowed to be surrogate mothers but here Teni is unmarried.
Also, believe it or not, DSDT soon gonna end.
It was always supposed to be a finite show designed to run till Bigg Boss comes back.
One of my friend's uncles work in the Colors marketing team and he said that Mahakali might replace DSDT in the 10 pm time slot.
The channel is still not sure of this show's success since the only time they get humongous trps is when Mahasangams happen.
In fact, one such MS is planned for tomorrow too.
No show can run long by just depending on MS with Top 20 shows.
And DSDT really don't have much content to run for 2-3yrs atleast.
It's better for the channel to close down a worthless show that is a failure in terms of both trps and plotlines .
In fact, channels are nowadays closing down shows for the lack of feasible future tracks and not just trps.
Channels are looking for shows that'll give them trps on the long run, not badly scripted shows which has a sudden spike in trps just by showing Mahasangam and nonsense drama for a week.
Also Ishqbaaz and DBO are getting combined for a 1 hr show-it'll be impossible for DSDT to beat them.


Wasn't Mahakli supposed to be a biweekly show? And what makes people think that a mythological show will work in a timeslot as late as 10.00 pm? 😕 Mythological/historical shows usually take early timeslots from 8.00-9.00 pm.
As far as I know the show will take weekends 7.00 pm slot.
I request you not to spread rumors if you don't have legitimate info.. Let the channel decide what is worth and what is worthless for them!
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Originally posted by: _goofyCat_


Wasn't Mahakli supposed to be a biweekly show? And what makes people think that a mythological show will work in a timeslot as late as 10.00 pm? 😕 Mythological/historical shows usually take early timeslots from 8.00-9.00 pm.
As far as I know the show will take weekends 7.00 pm slot.
I request you not to spread rumors if you don't have legitimate info.. Let the channel decide what is worth and what is worthless for them!

1st of all, I'm not spreading illegitimate rumours.
I clearly used the word "Might" while stating my facts about the chances of DSDT going for air and to be replaced by Mahakali.
I think you know the meaning of might
If you don't , then here's my explanation on the highlighted sentence:There are possibilities that DSDT might witness another timev
Mahakali is SUPPOSED to be a biweekly show, but then, Colors might've realized that the biweekly format isn't working out for the show.
So they're trying to shift it to the weekdays and the PH, as usual, is clamboring for a prime time slot.
Ultimately, nothing is final.
And I've never said Mahakali WILL replace DSDT in all its probability.
Especially after DSDT has seen a humongous rise in its trps, the Channel will probably reconsider its decision.

@Underline: .
Mytho/histo shows usually are aired between 8-9:30pm doesn't mean that they won't work in a timeslot OUTSIDE it.
It's not like that the TRP audience will only and only watch a mytho/histo show if it's slotted between 8pm-9:30pm only.
Probably this 8:00 pm to 9:30 pm slot is considered to be prime time slot and channels place their high budget mytho/histo shows in these time slots to maximize their profits and to recoup the show's budget.
The channel while alloting time slot to a show takes the audience availibility at that time ,also the viewership of the rival tv shows airing at that particular time slot, and also also the budget of the show.
See, Mahakali is a high budget mytho show.
And with a high budget alloted to the show, there are expectations of high returns also.
The channels earn money from selling ad spaces to companies
At the time of launch, the initial advertisers are contracted for a specific period of time .
After the initial contract period is over, if that particular serial's trps are low, advertisers aren't willing to waste their money on them because since not many people are watching the show and hence not getting to know about their products.
The time slot also equally matters.
Both channels and advertisers put in extensive research regarding the audience availibility in a particular time slot and whether the audience will be choosing their show over the slot leader show or not.
Like , early evening prime time slots are considered "risky" by the advertisers and channels.
But Still they launch shows in those time slot but they're low budget enough to recoup the costs of the serial from the lower ad rates this time slot offers.
Well, exceptions DO occur.
But usually, non prime time shows have lower budgets than prime time shows.
Also, the content matters.
If the content of the serial fails to take off among the audience within the 1st few months of the launch, and they get consistent low trps, the advertisers either don't want to renew their initial contract or settle on a lower ad rate.
And either way, it means LOSS for the channel, especially when the serial is a high budget show.
That's why serials are nowadays getting so much pressure put on them by the channels to perform right from the beginning and even moderately performing shows get pulled off air abruptly and get replaced by new serials.
Infact, even slot topper shows sometimes get replaced because the concerned channel decides that the show won't be able to get much trp with its current story on the long run.
And it'll be a foolish step on the part of the channel to retain the show even if they know that it'll cause severe loss to their advertiser friends in the next contracted period because the trps will definitely start declining.
And this lack of viability on the long run also applies to the pulling off of moderately performing shows which suddenly got a huge increase in numbers after performing low for many months.
The channels know that this particular track might attract trp audience right now but on the long run, they'll get hell bored of it.
So it's better to end the show with more than respectable trps and get a new show to attract new audience.

And that's also the reason why pre launch promotions of shows are getting more violent than ever.
Previously,it was expected that a show will take 4-5 months to take off at the trp charts and advertisers used to renew their contracts beyond initial contracted time period.
But nowadays , advertisers want superfast returns and aren't willing to risk their money for a flop show in the hopes of seeing an improve.
So channels too want top 10 trps from the ep 1 only.
(PS:That doesn't mean super intensive promotions will result in #1 trps
Even if it does get high trps in 1st week, if people don't like the content, trps will stop coming.
Content makes ALL the difference)
Well, there are shows like Naamkarann who recovered from initial dismal ratings to become one of the top 10 shows of Indian tv.
But NK got oppurtunity only because the producers could convince the channel that the leap could bring the channel trps.
And also may Be SP thought Naamkaran would be a better competitor to KKB than Tu Suraj Main Saanjh Piyaji for the time being.
As I've said before, channels run extensive research on all aspects before alloting a time slot to a high budget show.
Nobody wants to put a high budget show, especially a mytho/histo show aimed at a small town family audience ,on a early or late time slot knowingly that this particular show won't get trps in this slot.
Especially if the show already has a positive buzz and anticipation surrounding and the channel believes that the show might get desired trps if alloted a prime time slot instead.
Also, previously, Jag janani maa Durga on the same concept as Mahakali flopped at weekdays 7pm slot.
10 pm time slot isn't too late for a small town crowd eager to watch a mytho show.
And now if Colors team feels Mahakali has a better chance at beating Ishqbaaz than DSDT on the longer run, then DSDT will surely be shifted to an different slot or even go off air in favour of Mahakali.
Also your claim that A mytho drama like Mahakali absolutely won't work in the late night time slot of 10 pm is absolutely illogical.
If the content is good enough, people will stay awake longer to watch the show and as I said, 10 pm isn't TOO late even for the rural crowds.
Finally, let's see what the stars hold for our favourite shows' fates!





Edited by Luna99 - 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Shambavishivam




I have no idea if this is a finite show..coz jasmin denied saying that its not a finite drama..and the change in time slot also made me think maybe its not..
This show isnt about surrogacy or its complications anymore..its more about teni..her feeling her struggle her love her this and that...and now its about who is better for the husband..the wife who cant concieve or the surrogate who can give him the babyđŸ€Ș
But as per some rumours wasnt Mahakali replacing Thapki..that show is ending to make way for mahakali..
These guys can show so much drama over the theme they have chosen...but honestly speaking all their focus is only on teni and the childless couple are ignored big time to focus on her..tats why they have lost track of what to show and what not to show...lets see what they are planning to do in the coming episodes..

Colors often makes their artists give wrong info regarding their roles in the show or the show itself.
See, DSDT isn't finite drama in that sense that it doesn't exactly have a set number of pre-determined episodes from the very beginning
But my friend's uncle told me that DSDT was set to be aired as a filler show in the gap before Big Boss 11 returns in its usual slot of 10:30pm.
Maybe now the plans have changed coz DSDT's ratings have improved for this week.
But I sincerely hope the show sticks to its initial promises and show Teni in a good light, and not the girl who's responsible for breaking Parth and Shorvari's marriage.
Mahakali is a high budget show.
And high budget shows have more priority regarding time slots.
But budget is also directly proportional to risk, so these high budget shows tend to go off air sooner if they don't receive desired trps.
And it's known that Mahakali won't get the desired ratings with respect to its budget on the 5pm weekday slot.
Why would even Colors try then!
And even if they try, the PH won't agree to it.
Nobody knowingly lets their hard work go waste.


Edited by Luna99 - 8 years ago

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