'pyaar toh kiya jaata hai...'

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"...maanga ya cheena nahin."

Hayyee..Gauri Kumari Ssarma! Tere jaisi anmol bandi kahan pathar ke sanam Omkara ke saath phass gayi? 😆 Watched the episode without reading the updates after what's feeling like ages and it was actually a worthwhile episode for me. Yes, there was no Gauri in the episode in the way I want to see her but Gauri totally shone through Chulbul today. The entire slip of tongue about Chulbul being married, I honestly thought Chulbul would cook up this random tale of his "patni" being dead or maybe say something like "kisi aur ke liye chorh ke chali gayi". But this is where Gauri shines through. To her, her own marriage and the very foundation of marriage itself is not a joke. So Chulbul only reversed the roles and told the story of Gauri's marriage to Omkara. There are Chulbul's unintentional actions which remind Omkara of Gauri. And then there's this whole intentional reminder to Omkara about what happened in Bareilly.

Gauri and Omkara are the best when they clash due to their philosophies about love and life. This is the first time Omkara got to know about Gauri's take on love. I was surprised that Omkara took Chulbul's wife's side and supported her decision of leaving a marriage which had happened on the foundation of a simple majboori. His thoughts had traveled back to Bareilly and the girl he had claimed as his patni by performing some bogus rituals. It's interesting to see how Omkara still has no regard for Gauri. She really doesn't matter to her. Even today when he was thinking of Bareilly, his thoughts had him at the center. He HAD to marry Gauri because of majboori and HE shouldn't be blamed because he didn't accept the marriage. What happened to Gauri afterwards, why did she accept the marriage, heck...did she even survive afterwards..Omkara still has no interest in that.

Gauri worships the very existence of love. She is not IN love herself but because she feels she is bound to Omkara, if she were to ever fall in love it wouldn't be with anyone but Omkara. I have only read the updates for the last week but didn't Gauri get scared at the idea of falling in love with Omkara? Because that would make her weak and she wouldn't be able to walk away from him when time came? The reason why Gauri says she "loves" her husband is because there's no other word with which she can explain what she feels for Omkara. It's a mixture of respect, care, reverence. So, instead of making it all complicated she simply calls it "pyaar" or "prem". And as they say..pyaar and mohabbat are two different terms. She isn't in mohabbat yet...

Omkara says taali ek haath se nahin bajti but his hypocritical nature was SO evident here. Because his previous insistence of not letting his parents' marriage fall apart was basically him forcing the taali to bajaofy with one hand only. It's not like his ideas changed overnight, he has always been this way regarding his parents' marriage. But I guess that's who Omkara has always been - hypocritical. He applies different rules to different people.

Honestly, it got me thinking. How will Omkara ever deal with Gauri? When Chulbul's secret will come out and he'll realize just how much Gauri was there in his conversations with Chulbul, will he be able to handle it all properly? Pathar ka sanam Omkara..can he even grasp the idea of the love which Gauri has? This selfless, all consuming love of hers where she'd happily perish in a blink of an eye if it means Omkara gets his happiness. It's just so...unpractical. Who DOES that nowadays? Omkara is not wrong to be skeptical about her ideas. He is actually right to question that how can one person continue to be devoted to someone in such an unrequited manner. Isn't it only human nature to expect rewards and acknowledgement?

But Gauri's love...it's very sufiana. Where the pleasure isn't in getting rewards but in the struggle. Ae Dil Hai Mushkil was a pathetic movie but it has the most apt lines to describe what Gauri's idea of love like that famous line, "Ek tarfa pyaar ki taqat hi kuch aur hai..." Unlike Ayaan, Gauri really doesn't expect anything from Omkara. If it was in Gauri's hands, she'd really stay as far away from Omkara as humanly possible. But of course the show wouldn't work if that happens so she'll always be in front of Omkara, either as Chulbul or as Gauri herself. And she'd continue to risk her own neck if it means Omkara is safe and happy. But like I said, Omkara can't grasp this concept. His world is all give and take, even in khoon ke rishte. When a person's most primary beings of a family have a very screwed up relationship, a person is bound to be skeptical. Shivaay and Rudra's love may have saved Omkara from being a complete cynic but that kind of familial love wasn't enough for him to have faith on the love that leads to mohabbat and ishq.

And you know what? When Omkara will taste the love that Gauri will eventually have for Omkara...he'd become so addicted to it that he'd want more and more of it. No matter how I see it, Gauri will always love Omkara more. She'll always have the upper hand solely because of the fact that her ultimate goal isn't to be loved back or even acknowledged; it's to just keep loving regardless. Yes, she worships the very ground Omkara walks on and yes, it's fundamentally wrong. But it's also so incredible. Itna pyaar? Itni shiddat? Aisi gehrai? First Omkara will be angry thinking it's all fake, then he'll be baffled because he'd see the very ideas he shunned come into a literal existence right in front of his eyes, then he'd be genuinely curious and before he knows it...he'd be sucked right in. And Babaji's prediction will come true.

aayega zidd pe toh hogi qayamat;
ye ishq abhi masoom.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Ohhh mais,,,a post by U,,after longgg time,,loved reading it..so beautifully written..hope cvs reads this too..everything u said,,too good..cant wait to watch the epi..
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Lovely Update .. Thank You ..Cant wait to watch todays episode 😛
Why cant we have more people like you in this forum

I am waiting Elvi to post pics for today episode ...


BTW People will make fun of Gauri selfless ektarfa love 😆 even if she does something right and express her feeling / thought process her way without forcing anyone to accept her either in Guari attire or Chulbul ...this is the real gauri chahe woh chulbul ke roop main ho yaa gauri ke roop main



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Wonderful post.
But I would like to highlight om pov.
First his parents got married because of love not because of any majboori. But later his father cheated and her mother continued relationship because she couldn't get over that love. About opinion of om about marriage then fact is that he doesn't want his parents marriage to be broken because of jhanvi weakness for tej not because he love the idea of marriage nibhao despite all majboori. He love his mom. And anything which will destroy her life or threatened her life will make him do all kinds of things that he does not want even getting engaged to Svetlana.
So here om is not saving marriage of parents because he regard marriage very sacred but because he know his mother will not able to live without tej. That message was louded by her suicide attempt.

If gauri is selfless then om is also. Because he did not need to put himself in danger for a girl whom he thought wrong. And he did the drama to save her not because he wanted to marry her. And that was not even proper marriage.
And In my pov om was right to reject that marriage because marrying a girl to just save not because he wanted or wished is practical and acceptable.
About gauri acceptance of marriage because she liked om because saved her when no one was on her side.
For her she was shivji ka vardaan. And she is right at her place.
Both are right at their place. For om that marriage was act. And for Gauri that was sign from shivji.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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You know the very idea your words created had me inhale a dreamy breath. Really who can stand this kind of love without getting addicted? It really is that all consuming all captivating unreal sort of thing.
I agree Omkara has no idea what he is in for. This kind of love doesn't exist in the world he belongs to. No matter how pure everything requires a return there. He is right in his place to believe that kind of love is fake for he has never tasted that.
And when he does he is going to be addicted. She is going to be the center if his universe, his dangerous obsession. This love is going to be fatal in a sense.
Ah...! I can hardly wait...! This is the kind of story I would look forward to.
Love your post as always!
Sakura
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Posted: 8 years ago
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i was missing ur post last 2 -3 week
love this very much so am happy today we get chulkara conversation about life and all
but guls all other show mein toh hero has upper hand sooo
maybe rikara tooda execption from all couple of guls
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: loveangel94

Wonderful post.

But I would like to highlight om pov.
First his parents got married because of love not because of any majboori. But later his father cheated and her mother continued relationship because she couldn't get over that love. About opinion of om about marriage then fact is that he doesn't want his parents marriage to be broken because of jhanvi weakness for tej not because he love the idea of marriage nibhao despite all majboori. He love his mom. And anything which will destroy her life or threatened her life will make him do all kinds of things that he does not want even getting engaged to Svetlana.
So here om is not saving marriage of parents because he regard marriage very sacred but because he know his mother will not able to live without tej. That message was louded by her suicide attempt.

If gauri is selfless then om is also. Because he did not need to put himself in danger for a girl whom he thought wrong. And he did the drama to save her not because he wanted to marry her. And that was not even proper marriage.
And In my pov om was right to reject that marriage because marrying a girl to just save not because he wanted or wished is practical and acceptable.
About gauri acceptance of marriage because she liked om because saved her when no one was on her side.
For her she was shivji ka vardaan. And she is right at her place.
Both are right at their place. For om that marriage was act. And for Gauri that was sign from shivji.



But doesn't mean he is forcing a relationship on Tej? Jhanvi is the one who is weak without Tej and to Tej, Jhanvi is just a majboori at that point (now things have changed but I'm talking of pre-BuaMa TejVi equation in DBO) and Omkara is against a relationship which is formed on the basis of majboori. Yes, he loves his mother and there's nothing wrong in him wanting to sacrifice himself if it means Jhanvi will be happy. But his way of doing things still remain hypocritical. Instead of showing support to Jhanvi and saying, "I'm here for you. Your son will support you. So what if the man you loved left you? Your son will always be by your side" he was so fixated with the idea of somehow stopping Tej from leaving Jhanvi. Tej doesn't even love Jhanvi anymore! Yes, TejVi's marriage happened cuz of love. But the problems started early on as well. Wasn't it told in IB that Omkara was in grade school when he witnessed his parents fighting? Omkara's introduction was done with the point that TejVi's marriage was in shambles and that's the reason Omkara was against Tej. No matter how I see it, how Omkara treats TejVi's marriage and what he says about "rishta majboori se nahin banna chaiye" is very hypocritical.

I'm not saying Gauri is right in accepting this marriage or saying Omkara wasn't selfless when he jumped in and saved Gauri. I was only saying that Gauri's idea of LOVE is of the selfless kind. I was merely commenting on that. And if you have read any of my previous posts I have defended Gauri's act of accepting Omkara as her husband solely BECAUSE she thinks that's what her Shankar Ji has chosen for her and not because of who Omkara is as an individual. I wasn't comparing the two marriages (of RiKara and TejVi) Marriage wasn't even the main point here, it was love. By bringing up Omkara's thoughts on TejVi's marriage I was merely trying to point out how hypocritical he was being because while he himself doesn't believe in any relationship which isn't done on the basis of equal consent, he readily ignores that point when it comes to Jhanvi.

Your post did make me consider that the only thing that can be compared in these two marriages are the women Jhanvi and Gauri. Jhanvi needs the love and acknowledgement in return for the sake of her sanity and happiness. Gauri doesn't need any of that. Both the women are in unrequited love with their spouses where their husbands don't give a shit about them. But their way of dealing is so different. Omkara has witnessed the one sided love of his mother where it took her to the brink of destruction. So naturally he condemns the love which is done with such heavy unbalance. And that makes RiKara so interesting because this idea of him witnessing a one sided love which is a strength for someone and not a liability is so new to Omkara. And this man desperately needs to broaden his horizons in terms of how people can be in this world.
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Originally posted by: lostmymusic.



But doesn't mean he is forcing a relationship on Tej? Jhanvi is the one who is weak without Tej and to Tej, Jhanvi is just a majboori at that point (now things have changed but I'm talking of pre-BuaMa TejVi equation in DBO) and Omkara is against a relationship which is formed on the basis of majboori. Yes, he loves his mother and there's nothing wrong in him wanting to sacrifice himself if it means Jhanvi will be happy. But his way of doing things still remain hypocritical. Instead of showing support to Jhanvi and saying, "I'm here for you. Your son will support you. So what if the man you loved left you? Your son will always be by your side" he was so fixated with the idea of somehow stopping Tej from leaving Jhanvi. Tej doesn't even love Jhanvi anymore! Yes, TejVi's marriage happened cuz of love. But the problems started early on as well. Wasn't it told in IB that Omkara was in grade school when he witnessed his parents fighting? Omkara's introduction was done with the point that TejVi's marriage was in shambles and that's the reason Omkara was against Tej. No matter how I see it, how Omkara treats TejVi's marriage and what he says about "rishta majboori se nahin banna chaiye" is very hypocritical.

I'm not saying Gauri is right in accepting this marriage or saying Omkara wasn't selfless when he jumped in and saved Gauri. I was only saying that Gauri's idea of LOVE is of the selfless kind. I was merely commenting on that. And if you have read any of my previous posts I have defended Gauri's act of accepting Omkara as her husband solely BECAUSE she thinks that's what her Shankar Ji has chosen for her and not because of who Omkara is as an individual. I wasn't comparing the two marriages (of RiKara and TejVi) Marriage wasn't even the main point here, it was love. By bringing up Omkara's thoughts on TejVi's marriage I was merely trying to point out how hypocritical he was being because while he himself doesn't believe in any relationship which isn't done on the basis of equal consent, he readily ignores that point when it comes to Jhanvi.

Your post did make me consider that the only thing that can be compared in these two marriages are the women Jhanvi and Gauri. Jhanvi needs the love and acknowledgement in return for the sake of her sanity and happiness. Gauri doesn't need any of that. Both the women are in unrequited love with their spouses where their husbands don't give a shit about them. But their way of dealing is so different. Omkara has witnessed the one sided love of his mother where it took her to the brink of destruction. So naturally he condemns the love which is done with such heavy unbalance. And that makes RiKara so interesting because this idea of him witnessing a one sided love which is a strength for someone and not a liability is so new to Omkara. And this man desperately needs to broaden his horizons in terms of how people can be in this world.

I did not deny that om is hypocrite because he is. For sake of his mom love he can do anything. Even cam get marry Svetlana. But do jhanvi love him more than tej. I don't think. No mother in world will witness his son to get engaged with the woman who is her husband mistress. If she was good mother then she would have left tej and force om to break disgusting engagement. But the way she still want tej despite of all his shit and at stake of her son life itself showed that she care about tej more than Om.

Secondly gauri has no right to ask to Om consider their marriage. She is in one sided relationship and love that doesn't make om jerk if he does not accept forced marriage. He never intended to marry her. And falling in love is still not in picture.
So I m liking the thing that she is not asking for acknowledgement for the relation that was formed because of charity by om not because he felt something for her.
I will surely dislike if she will try to force herself on him in future . Because this will make her hypocrite. and I hope not.

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Originally posted by: Sakura24

You know the very idea your words created had me inhale a dreamy breath. Really who can stand this kind of love without getting addicted? It really is that all consuming all captivating unreal sort of thing.

I agree Omkara has no idea what he is in for. This kind of love doesn't exist in the world he belongs to. No matter how pure everything requires a return there. He is right in his place to believe that kind of love is fake for he has never tasted that.
And when he does he is going to be addicted. She is going to be the center if his universe, his dangerous obsession. This love is going to be fatal in a sense.
Ah...! I can hardly wait...! This is the kind of story I would look forward to.
Love your post as always!
Sakura



Aaah...IF ONLY this was the main focus of this show and not Svetlana Ka Raaz 😆
But just see the possibility of all the intensity these two hold and that too all organic! Just by having two such drastically different opinions about love and relationships, they open the doors to all these angles with which they can proceed further. The love itself doesn't necessarily have to be fatal and an obsession but the idea of LOSING such love after tasting it..now that has all the potential of being so freakin' intense! I know there's no way Omkara would so easily accept Gauri in his life, he will push her back more and more. My personal wish is to see him push her back SO much that she starts retreating away from him. And at that point he starts to realize he could lose this once in many lifetimes wali cheez if she goes away. Like...I'd love to see an Omkara who has seen just what Gauri's existence in his life makes it out to be...and to see him in a life without Gauri.
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Originally posted by: loveangel94

I did not deny that om is hypocrite because he is. For sake of his mom love he can do anything. Even cam get marry Svetlana. But do jhanvi love him more than tej. I don't think. No mother in world will witness his son to get engaged with the woman who is her husband mistress. If she was good mother then she would have left tej and force om to break disgusting engagement. But the way she still want tej despite of all his shit and at stake of her son life itself showed that she care about tej more than Om.

Secondly gauri has no right to ask to Om consider their marriage. She is in one sided relationship and love that doesn't make om jerk if he does not accept forced marriage. He never intended to marry her. And falling in love is still not in picture.
So I m liking the thing that she is not asking for acknowledgement for the relation that was formed because of charity by om not because he felt something for her.
I will surely dislike if she will try to force herself on him in future . Because this will make her hypocrite. and I hope not.



Jhanvi could've saved everyone heck loada trouble if only she stepped up and actively did something. By not saying anything to Omkara at the right time, she unintentionally gave Omkara the signals to jump in and get tied up in all this Svetlana mess. I wouldn't compare Jhanvi's love for the two men in her life. Motherly love can move mountains but Jhanvi is so human because she is so dependent on Tej's presence in her life. I blame her condition on the people of Oberoi Mansion as well. The idea of "Oberois mein divorce ki baat nahin hoti" and all conditioned Jhanvi to be someone who can only find solace in this suffocating relationship she shares with Tej. The dymanics of Tej-Jhanvi-Omkara relationships are so screwed up..everyone is mad cuz of everyone 😆

Believe me. One of the MAJOR reasons I love Gauri is because of her idea of love being so unconditional and so devoid of expecting to get anything in return. This is how she was introduced to us and if the CVs somehow decide to change this about her, she wouldn't be Gauri anymore and by extension she wouldn't remain someone I can love and support.
Yes, Gauri has no right to force this marriage on Omkara but when did she do it? She NEVER asked Omkara to accept it so I don't get why you would bring this up here? I don't get this defensive stance about Omkara when I'm not even attacking him in the first place 😆 Love is not in the picture now but it will come here, jaega kahan? I was just talking of the possibility of Omkara's reaction when the truth will come out. When his ideas of love will come in a direct clash with Gauri's ideas. Today was just a first glimpse of it..they were just discussing theories. He has yet to see Gauri's love in actual practice and I was simply wondering how he'd react then.

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