First aid for Shivika fans

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Yeah, Shivaay's NKK is very much alive and kicking. It kind of pulled a rug from under our feet, but this is the crux of the ShivIka relationship.

For those who don't know: on the DBO episode today, Shivaay had a conversation with Omkara, where the latter attributed the changes (for the better) in Shivaay as because of Annika's presence in his life. Om asks him to just acknowledge that he feels something for her.

Shivaay does acknowledge, that he feels concern, and care and worry for her, but I don't have a name for it. Om shakes his head and looks away. Shivaay says, he knows nothing about her, her family, her origin. Whatever he feels , he can't see her as the mother of his children.. "There is no future for Annika and me..."

Whoa, he went as far to think of that? Not bad Shivaay? At least he thought about it. That's something huge.

So, he has no name for their rishta. That hurt me a lot. Felt really sad for Annika, given what Pinky is doing to her on a daily basis. Also , this girl is trying to help the family by exposing Tia, so that they can say a heartfelt thank you and a gift.

No, I don't think Shivaay is heartless. If you watch the scene, you'll see the melancholy in his eyes. He's in unrest. A battle is going on inside him and it will continue.

He still won't be able to let her go. Now his reluctance to answer her relentless questions makes sense. He feels a kinship with Annika, like best friends who'd die for each other. Any more than that, will grow with time.

Annika loves him, honestly and simple.. She understands his prejudices, and tried to give him a way out through this ML plot, which he didn't take. Why he wants to play faraq padta hai with her I haven't the faintest idea.

uncontrollable actions of the heart perhaps. Ones the brain can't control.

Suddenly, the scene where Annika weeps to Sahil about how she didn't want to be in love with Shivaay, takes an incredibly poignant turn. I dare say if I watch that scene now, I'm going to cry buckets. Sahil innocently asks her to try her luck, try to love him, see what happens.

But she is pessimistic. "Shivaay wants even his enemies to be of same status as him.. let alone love" She cried about how this love will hurt her and she fears she won't be able to pick herself back up from it.

There is more to come, "to be continued" he said. Whether or not they overcome their NKK hurdles is the journey next.

Big hugs to all those who feel sad today, it's okay. Shivika is angst and mature love, it will be a good watch. We can see they love each other, and will do anything for one another.

Recall, he had tied mangalsutra twice (third upcoming), so her leaving is going to be tough. As her sister Gauri comes into the picture, surely her story will come to the fore.

I wonder, if in the end, it becomes about whether SHE is willing to accept him, being an Oberoi. Both sisters are joined to this family like fate or karma. I wonder.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Anisa, I know that many people feel bad about the scene but for me, it was too random-ass a situation to hold any significance, whatsoever. How is he in Bareilly? His leaving wasn't mentioned in IB, he sounded more like the Shivaay before ONS MU. The NKK is a future/past concern. Right now, it's just NBs and Anika that matter for shivaay. The timelines were incredibly confusing.

SSO saying that Anika can't be the mother of his kids felt like somone just punched me in the stomach 😆. It hurt like hell. I really hope this convo stays in DBO land and is not mentioned to Anika, ever.

I'm pasting this all over the forum today, so doing so here, too:

TBH, does that scene hold any standing in IB? I'm getting voluntary amnesia about it until it is mentioned in IB, too.

However, it hurt like hell. Esp when he said that Anika can't be the mother of his kids 🥺. I admit he mostly said good things about her and I don't expect NKK to leave so soon either, but then, why does he ask her to stay if there's no future? The Shivaay we saw in DBO today is just not the Shivaay who currently exists in IB land. I'm not saying NKK has completely disappeared but it's not at the front of his mind, right now. He's too busy with other stuff; getting Anika back is at the top of his list, too (with that chip). So why is he reminiscing about NKK with Om in Bareilly? MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.

We must remember that scene was shot eons ago, so the writers must have changed the story line after that, which is why it seems do disjointed. Honestly, it's just like they're throwing scenes around. Aik yahan, aik wahan, aik idhar bhee dal daitey hain and aik udhar bhee. There was no coherence, at all.

What I think is happening is that the scene was supposed to address audiences who only watch DBO. This was their introduction to Shivaay, his character, his relationship with Anika and what the conflict is, there. It was done to a) let people know about ShivIka and b) to get them interested and make them watch IB, too. I know there may not be many people who only watch DBO but they still had to have an SSO introductory scene, so this was it.

For me, the scene was so out-of-the-blue that I'm just choosing to ignore it, right now. NKK is there, yes, but it didn't make any sense to mention it at this present moment - doesn't fit the current track in IB. May be in the future, they're more careful with how the overlap scenes in the two shows, especially now that they've moved back to Oberoi Mansion.
Edited by --Risha-- - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I don't know why but your posts always make me cry 😭😭 i'm supposed to go to a party in two hours and here i am in my bed in "hate all men and this whole stupid world" mode 😭😭 but yeah you are right about all aspects. I actually didn't realise but Shivaay did think very far down the line! SO that's progress.
But see when he said to Om: " I don't see her as the mother of my children"
I so wish Om had asked: " will you be able to see her as the mother of someone else's children?"

Because that is where this will go.

I truly hope there comes a time where SHE is the ONE who has reservations about becoming an OBEROI. I mean the whole family continues to make a mockery of the word "marriage"

Mistresses walk in and out and change partners. Marriages happen and no one knows about as if it just another everyday chore. Divorce process hasn't even started and second marriages are already initiated..

Let's be honest.. What decent level-headed girl will put her whole future on stake with a family like that? It's an absolute gamble tbh..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Nice post Anisa.. I didn't feel bad today.. Well copy pasting this from Amri's thread.. .. after their jungle episode.. So I agree with this.. he will slowly change.. but not now.. he cares for her.. has special feelings for her.. but doesn't respect her for being Just Anika.. w/o NKAK... NKAK is main base of ShivIKa story.. I don't blame him n didn't blame him that time too.. becoz he grow up with that ideology since childhood.. It's not easy to leave Ur principles jo itane din se tumhare sath the.. suddenly giving up those is not possible.. after that day I decided to keep away from shivay's lovey dovey talks with anika..😆 I was ready for it.. His battle btwn heart n brain ideologies.. still der.. So it won't give me Michmichi right now.. 😛 Ahaan.. just practical like SSO.. 😆 whooshh.. doing some ninja style.. lolz.. But sad thing is that may be in this battle btwn heart n brain.. heart will completely win on that day may be .. when Anika will be hurt or on hospital bed.. that day fully Omie's shayari words will come true.. 😳
just hoping one more thing.. Shivay's battle btwn heart n brain won't hurt Anika n him more.. becoz now de both are such path where de both will be equally hurt.. 💔
Indeed it's gonna be good ride with shivIka n Anaik's sis.. if Gauri is really her sister..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I would like it if your words come true! Whether she wants to accept him or not... Whether she wants to carry his blood inside her womb or not!
I would love to see the Anika we haven't yet seen! The one we all are looking for.
Shivaay is way too complicated than ever shown. I think, there is much more to come in future. But Anika, till now, she has been selfless. Earlier this Anika only existed for Sahil but now, she also does the same for Shivaay. But does he deserve this?
He loves her as well, but this thing, NKK is going nowhere for at least another century! So, having said that, I believe a Storm is waiting for him in future, which would be bigger that the illegitimacy of Omakara, that would make him rethink about all the things said by him about classes, statuses!
I would love to see went he would beg her to accept him as her husband, and I want Anika to stay strong and no melt so easily. He needs to beg her for his position in her life, he needs to desperately ask her to let him be the father of her kids!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: --Risha--

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Anisa, I know that many people feel bad about the scene but for me, it was too random-ass a situation to hold any significance, whatsoever. How is he in Bareilly? His leaving wasn't mentioned in IB, he sounded more like the Shivaay before ONS MU. The NKK is a future/past concern. Right now, it's just NBs and Anika that matter for shivaay. The timelines were incredibly confusing.

SSO saying that Anika can't be the mother of his kids felt like somone just punched me in the stomach 😆. It hurt like hell. I really hope this convo stays in DBO land and is not mentioned to Anika, ever.

I'm pasting this all over the forum today, so doing so here, too:

TBH, does that scene hold any standing in IB? I'm getting voluntary amnesia about it until it is mentioned in IB, too.

However, it hurt like hell. Esp when he said that Anika can't be the mother of his kids 🥺. I admit he mostly said good things about her and I don't expect NKK to leave so soon either, but then, why does he ask her to stay if there's no future? The Shivaay we saw in DBO today is just not the Shivaay who currently exists in IB land. I'm not saying NKK has completely disappeared but it's not at the front of his mind, right now. He's too busy with other stuff; getting Anika back is at the top of his list, too (with that chip). So why is he reminiscing about NKK with Om in Bareilly? MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL.

We must remember that scene was shot eons ago, so the writers must have changed the story line after that, which is why it seems do disjointed. Honestly, it's just like they're throwing scenes around. Aik yahan, aik wahan, aik idhar bhee dal daitey hain and aik udhar bhee. There was no coherence, at all.

What I think is happening is that the scene was supposed to address audiences who only watch DBO. This was their introduction to Shivaay, his character, his relationship with Anika and what the conflict is, there. It was done to a) let people know about ShivIka and b) to get them interested and make them watch IB, too. I know there may not be many people who only watch DBO but they still had to have an SSO introductory scene, so this was it.

For me, the scene was so out-of-the-blue that I'm just choosing to ignore it, right now. NKK is there, yes, but it didn't make any sense to mention it at this present moment - doesn't fit the current track in IB. May be in the future, they're more careful with how the overlap scenes in the two shows, especially now that they've moved back to Oberoi Mansion.


@bold .. That's exactly how I felt. 😕

But you may have a point. This was SSO's intro, and NKK is his thing. So it had to be addressed.

It's a bit naive for the makers to think majority of ppl watch only IB or DBO. I think the lion share of viewers are ObBros fans who watch both. I watch both, I adore OmRu.

Not depressed, just Pinky's awful public humiliation of Annika and her forlorn face, for meshed up with Shivaay's words and BAM! Felt sad...😆

So ready for Tia and Svetlana to go. Mrs. K was so smug, I felt like cheering for Shivaay's Tadi when he put her down a peg.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thanks to you Anisa for your post. Since morning I have been reading all the posts about this topic but don't have the heart to watch this scene. I do understand this conflict is important in the story but some thing has gone wrong somewhere and I can't point it out. May be you, Aysa or other members will be able to figure it out. I love...adore Shivaay as a character...he is cute, affectionate, loveable, understanding, man of principles...sort of a gentleman in today's world (in some aspects). But after reading about this scene...I don't feel very good about him.

I understand it will take time to break those prejudices but then why try getting a confession out of her. If you don't see your future with her, let her go with dignity. They are both going to get hurt...there is no doubt about it.

But thinking about yours and then Aysa's post from yesterday...there is a huge power imbalance in this relationship and of all Shivaay should be aware of it. He was the one who forced marriage on her, made her sleep on the same bed with her and he has his entire family with him. She is alone...with no one to her side, living in this house where she has to face humiliation on a daily basis and living a relationship which has no name. So if Anika brought Rohit or did some other frivolous act...it can be forgiven but Shivaay who has every other benefit...can't be forgiven. To me it's like taking advantage of some one...it is hurting him...but he is still doing it. Yes he took a bullet and he cares about her more than his own life and will die for her but to live a life...there is much more needed than these one time gestures.

From OLV, we see him tying mangalsutra, why do all this when you don't see a future with her? This all gives me a michmichhi... Anika should run away as fast as she can

Of all the things I don't want a hospital scene to break his NKK, I would rather see a gradual journey and that would be the redemption track for me. I don't want her to make any more attempts to prove herself to him or this family.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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loved your post.
Ya i still remember how anika cried knowing SSO is and understanding his thoughts which will give her only heartbreak. Seem today he confirmed it. And that might be reason she not saying why it matters to her when he goes far. Because she know she will always lose this game.

But why SSO is playing the fark game i think that too is cleared today because he wants his inner battle between heart and mind to stop. And anika confession can only end it. His heart himself want the wall of nkak to fall down he prepared now onky want that jhakta of 440 volt

Because he himself hads nit so much strength to admit it. That is why he want anika to admit her feeling. Make him realized what is there between them . Help his to get our of his ideology
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: mishti4maan

I don't know why but your posts always make me cry 😭😭 i'm supposed to go to a party in two hours and here i am in my bed in "hate all men and this whole stupid world" mode 😭😭 but yeah you are right about all aspects. I actually didn't realise but Shivaay did think very far down the line! SO that's progress.

But see when he said to Om: " I don't see her as the mother of my children"
I so wish Om had asked: " will you be able to see her as the mother of someone else's children?"

Because that is where this will go.

I truly hope there comes a time where SHE is the ONE who has reservations about becoming an OBEROI. I mean the whole family continues to make a mockery of the word "marriage"

Mistresses walk in and out and change partners. Marriages happen and no one knows about as if it just another everyday chore. Divorce process hasn't even started and second marriages are already initiated..

Let's be honest.. What decent level-headed girl will put her whole future on stake with a family like that? It's an absolute gamble tbh..


@bold

This ! Is for future follow up tracks... 😆

Don't.be sad, it was waiting to surface only. We were carried high by all the romance and jealousy, that we got a wake up call.

This is why he won't answer her searching questions about where she stood with him. Because he has no explanation to give. He can't say Love, because his brains is saying No.

It's all these spoilers I tell you, wedding clothes and romantic poses.. messed with the head...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: AnnzSageflower7


@bold .. That's exactly how I felt. 😕

But you may have a point. This was SSO's intro, and NKK is his thing. So it had to be addressed.

It's a bit naive for the makers to think majority of ppl watch only IB or DBO. I think the lion share of viewers are ObBros fans who watch both. I watch both, I adore OmRu.

Not depressed, just Pinky's awful public humiliation of Annika and her forlorn face, for meshed up with Shivaay's words and BAM! Felt sad...😆

So ready for Tia and Svetlana to go. Mrs. K was so smug, I felt like cheering for Shivaay's Tadi when he put her down a peg.


@BOLD: I don't think they think that the viewers are individual. The ratings for DBO show that majority are IB viewers.

Despite all that, they had to give an SSO intro. Like we got an Anika intro. It was right after her ML but it still sounded like Anika, not Kalavati.

This is all promotional tactics, I tell you. To force us to watch DBO and vice versa. See how angry everyone is, they'll watch DBO now. 😆

Also, someone mentioned elsewhere that in DBO Shivaay has a patti on his hand after the fight, which has disappeared in IB. I rest my case 😆
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