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Isha Kumar

@ishakumar

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Posted: 8 years ago

#21

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan
@TM:

No Maya does not get a pass because of Bad past. But I think sometimes everything she does is boiled down to her dark past and dark character. Sometimes even she is just being human??

Even Saanjh's actions are human. That part is fine. But her hypocrisy is not being honest with Arjun and using her friendship to control his life is what I object to. I don't agree she has the "right" to tell Arjun what to do!! She acts like she is his wife and Arjun is cheating her. But even a wife does not tell her husband who he can talk to or spend time with. This is going overboard and I find such needy clingy behaviour really irritating.

When it comes to Maya, she has not had a normal childhood or life. So she will not act normally in love. She will try to hold on to the person so strongly she will just make them feel boxed. But here Saanjh is not acting much better?

Yep exactly Maya is acting in this manner because this is how she was built as a person since her childhood... this is expectedly of her, because of her past
but Saanjh on the other hand is acting weird due to the fact that she hasn't even told Arjun that she loves him and yet she expects him to reciprocate her love
She has to tell him first that she loves him, and even if she finds out that Arjun doesn't love her, still she will behave as though she has a copy right on him..
meanwhile becahara arjun hasn't committed to either one of them 😆

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Posted: 8 years ago

#22

I don't like to make excuses for Saanjh's character and behavior. When we don't make excuses for Maya and take whatever Maya says and does as she does and call her for it, then why do we have to babysit Saanjh? Whatever Saanjh says and does, it's always because she cares about Arjun that's why she wants him away from Maya, or she was just angry, or now that she speaks symbolically and tomorrow will be something else. Saanjh in yesterday proved everyone of those right who said she wants arjun away from Maya because of her own insecurities and not because she cares about him genuinely. She was sad over how those pictures got there, not that she cared a damn about Arjun's reputation or even as a woman to understand what Maya must be going through. The other day she was said that Maya bailed Aryan out and not for minute was happy for him. Instead wad more sad over the fact that Maya did it. She's complete hypocrite, annoying and looking dark wirh each passing episode. And whatever excuses one might say in her favor, she goes and and prove them wrong. Now i don't understand what she will be doing in mauritius. Don't know when she will leave them alone.

This is the first character where I get happy seeing her crying. I don't know if that makes me sadistic or what, but she's too annoying. She was crying and feeling insecure of Maya even before she know Maya liked him when she saw them in that party holding hands together and when Arjun saif Maya's name. So it is not for sure that she cares about Arjun. She just want to be the main woman in Arjun's life and can't bear if he says someone else's name or give credit to another woman. It wasn't even that she knew Maya liked him, but still she was so sad and feeling insecure of seeing them together. Then she tore their pictures whenever she saw them. And she does all this as joke as if it's something funny and gets away with it. She's totally obsessive and irritating. 🥱

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@starasdf

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Posted: 8 years ago

#23

Hey Annihilation! (Funny saying hello to that alias 😆, like hello destruction, but so suiting for this show).

One of the reasons why I love your posts are because they are well mannered. Which is indeed, like aekiel pointed out, hard to find in this forum. Your posts call for discussions, even if there are disagreements. It's a POV that is properly backed up and it analyzes all of it. Not just the words, but the situations, the emotions and how it fits into a storyline. Which is why you find many silent members speaking up here.

I agree with what you've written and I 100% don't see how Maya's "You're mine" and Saanjh's "You're mine" are the same. I am sure that Saanjh will eventually get down and her hands dirty for Arjun's sake but if she plays by the book, she will never be able to compete with Maya. If we want to see a real war between the two, Saanjh will have to learn, or else Maya will destroy her. But just like Saanjh's "You're mine" doesn't mean she will cage Arjun against his will. Nor will it when she starts playing the game by Maya's rules.

^I say that now because I know as soon as it happens, fans will come out saying Saanjh is horrible.😆

Also I would also like to point out, chances are that someone like Maya can't be cured just like that. Mental illness doesn't work like that. Maya needs support and proper treatment. And maybe then she can cope better. Trauma like Maya's doesn't suddenly disappear just because she made someone love her. Her mental state also gives her a razor sharp edge that Saanjh just can't have. Saanjh is best annoying to Arjun, completely harmless though.

A *like* to CaputDraconis for pointing out Breaking Bad and Dexter. Though I won't discuss with examples because I haven't caught up completely with Breaking Bad. I do not want to hear any spoilers. 😆 I think that Maya doing pretty well for an Anti-Heroine. So long as her character stays intact, with steady character growth, I think it will keep doing well.

But the problem with Indian TV is that anti-hero's aren't accepted that main leads, especially female. Many would never accept a realistic anti-hero ending to a show. Like death or leading life alone (Walter White and Dexter) and so it will never be to the quality we hope for because these endings fit perfectly. It may fail to move us to the core because thats what perfect endings do.

I also have enough confidence in this show that at one point or another it will go completely off the rails like almost all shows do. Trying not to get attached. 😆

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Edited by starasdf - 8 years ago

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Posted: 8 years ago

#24

@MrDarcyfan, pomegranate, ishakumar and darling.

First, I'll just clear that I liked your respective posts because you made an effort to drop by and comment. (: Having put that out there, I'm afraid I do not agree with your respective opinions/POV.

I for one, haven't ever made 'excuses' on behalf of Saanjh or Maya. I only always iterate where the two of them come from. I mostly comprehend why they do what they do and then proceed to say if that's personally seems right or wrong to me if need be.

Two, when we say that everything boils down to Maya's past, please note that's an excuse in itself. I don't understand why the most of us have severe issues talking about one character without having the need to degrade the other. Why do there has to be a clash and what's the need to pit Maya and Saanjh against each other? These women are flawed their own ways. There's no white washing either of them but there's a blatant difference between the shades the two of them depict.

What Maya does is human too and I haven't ever deemed her evil. However, there's no way possible one can argue that her thought process, methods and actions (particularly when it comes to her loved one's) aren't toxic and potentially dangerous. Waving knife into someone's face, practically threatening them that they're capable of erasing their existence (dinner), putting lives at risk (hot air balloo), subjecting people to abuse/harm (Jhanvi), controlling and suffocating people to an extent that it becomes lethal to breathe the same air as hers. None of these can be termed normal or healthy. Human, yes but a highly damaged, potentially dangerous and toxic one at that.

I deeply emphatize with Maya and her pain. Nobody deserves to go through what she had to. However, you don't get the license to wrong others because you had been wronged. You don't go out and set houses on fire because you suffered a fire accident too. Had Maya been avenging her father instead, I'd be rooting for her. But here, the victims of her wrath are innocent people who haven't wronged her in sense or manner.

As far as Saanjh is concerned, she's a lawyer by profession and we fail to see ambition in her? She prioritizes her personal life and relationships and that's not okay because it's obsession? Her very existence is being shaken up but she doesn't have the right to act and behave in a manner that expresses her emotions because that's annoying to us? Maya reserves a right over Arjun and can do whatever she pleases with him/to him but Saanjh doesn't have the right to caution her childhood friend or even have the desire to be loved by him? Maya deserves to be loved and more so because she's never been loved but Saanjh doesn't deserve love as hers happens to be an unrequited one?

The hypocrisy lies there, my friends.

As for Arjun, Saanjh has always been upfront and open about her emotions to him. Barring the fact that she loves him, she's always been honest to Arjun about everything. When she respected/liked Maya, she was open about it to him. Now, when she dislikes Maya, she's open about it to. Whereas Maya only chooses to express her love to Arjun and hides or masks everything else there is to her and pretends to like Saanjh. It's funny though how we don't question Arjun AT ALL in all of this. He's practically been leading Maya on and he refuses to not be joint at the hip with Saanjh all the time. All of that is okay because he's a manchild?

Anyhoo, even after all that I have been saying right since my first post to the latest one, all that I have said in replies, all that I have tried to explain over and over again haven't made most of us to get over the prejudice then I'm afraid nothing will.

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@annihilation

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Posted: 8 years ago

#25

Originally posted by: starasdf
Hey Annihilation! (Funny saying hello to that alias 😆, like hello destruction, but so suiting for this show).
Haha, thank you. It does but still sounds cool, no? 😎

One of the reasons why I love your posts are because they are well mannered. Which is indeed, like aekiel pointed out, hard to find in this forum. Your posts call for discussions, even if there are disagreements. It's a POV that is properly backed up and it analyzes all of it. Not just the words, but the situations, the emotions and how it fits into a storyline. Which is why you find many silent members speaking up here.

Thank you, thank you. That's a huge compliment and came at a time when I almost felt like I have been banging my head against a wall. 😆

I agree with what you've written and I 100% don't see how Maya's "You're mine" and Saanjh's "You're mine" are the same. I am sure that Saanjh will eventually get down and her hands dirty for Arjun's sake but if she plays by the book, she will never be able to compete with Maya. If we want to see a real war between the two, Saanjh will have to learn, or else Maya will destroy her. But just like Saanjh's "You're mine" doesn't mean she will cage Arjun against his will. Nor will it when she starts playing the game by Maya's rules.

Saanjh is the kind of person who'd stick to a rule book even if she has or is being made to do some dirty work. Maya on the other hand abides by no rules whatsoever. She'll have to up her game if she's to stand against Maya. So yeah, agreed.

^I say that now because I know as soon as it happens, fans will come out saying Saanjh is horrible.😆

I know what you mean. 😆

Also I would also like to point out, chances are that someone like Maya can't be cured just like that. Mental illness doesn't work like that. Maya needs support and proper treatment. And maybe then she can cope better. Trauma like Maya's doesn't suddenly disappear just because she made someone love her. Her mental state also gives her a razor sharp edge that Saanjh just can't have. Saanjh is best annoying to Arjun, completely harmless though.

Ah, THAT. I have spoken about 'love' alone cannot treat or cure Maya of her conditions to the point where my brain has liquified now. Somehow though, all that I say goes right over the head of most of the forum residents. May be, it's just my incapability to reason then. 😆

A *like* to CaputDraconis for pointing out Breaking Bad and Dexter. Though I won't discuss with examples because I haven't caught up completely with Breaking Bad. I do not want to hear any spoilers. 😆 I think that Maya doing pretty well for an Anti-Heroine. So long as her character stays intact, with steady character growth, I think it will keep doing well.

But the problem with Indian TV is that anti-hero's aren't accepted that main leads, especially female. Many would never accept a realistic anti-hero ending to a show. Like death or leading life alone (Walter White and Dexter) and so it will never be to the quality we hope for because these endings fit perfectly. It may fail to move us to the core because thats what perfect endings do.

I have discussed this at length in my reply to Draconis, please read that if you can. 😳

I also have enough confidence in this show that at one point or another it will go completely off the rails like almost all shows do. Trying not to get attached. 😆

I get ya. Although, the show being a finite one is a silver ray of hope for us.

Star