Does it really count?? (continuity post)

Ammy

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Hey girls, first of all I'm really bad in making posts and I usually don't get any replies too... so I just jotted down what was lingering in my mind. I was surprised to see so many arguments for/against mine...

@Indrani,

Yes, we all do know about Shraman's unspoken love... usually I don't think we do express our love in words and even if we do those words won't mount upto the love we actually have for our family and friends... our actions are the one's which convey our love. All it takes is an antenna which transmits proper signals to connect which is hard to find even in the most sensical relationships like that of a parents-child. Its usually hard to understand the reason behind a certain action as we all (selfishness) tend to look on the outer surface which might hurt us at that particular moment. So, I do believe that actions speak louder than words but it usually works in the negative sense. So, I also do believe that some words are needed to be spoken as they might hide forever behind a mask of egoistic nature which we humans do have.

I think here most of the forum members are girls, so I would like to ask a question? How long would you like to wait for an uncertain relationship? here its not even that case as there's never anything which was put across verbally beyond friendship. Love these days even when expressed verbally and then even after going on papers legally there seems to be with uncertainty. So, can we girls really afford to take a stand in front of our family and such a chance in our life just based on pure intuition?

All kinds of answers are welcome with an open heart and I'm loving to read all your opinions on my post...

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Reshma Ahmed

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I do agree with you. We may not like it but it's quite realistic. We know Shravan loves Sumo. We know Sumo loves Shravan but they both don't know about each others feelings and the recent events aren't suggesting it to them either. Till they are vocal about it, they aren't going to know about it. I know so many stories of bff love where one falls in love with the other and thinks the other do too. Confess their feelings and get heartbroken. That's why many people are afraid to confess their love to their friends.

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Roshni2015

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Amulya,

Remember the time Shravan called Sumo for coffee date... She couldn't go bcz of Ram but she did very well knew that Shravan wanted to say what was in his heart. She kept avoiding him, pushing him away since she knew what he wanted to say.. Also, you remember tbe confidence Sumo had when she told Ram that how will you stop your son when he realizes my love for him.. That's the confidence in one's love.. And she had that for Shravan. Now when Shravan came n erupted she believed every word on face value.. Without thinking why he said all that.. Shravan is not one to go around erupting on everyone so he must have a reason...this simple thing she didn't think of... Also, after the announcement she directly thinks how hurt Shravan would be.. Which can only come if you know he loves you. If he was only a best friend he should be the happiest for your marriage right..

So my take is... They both love each other n they both know it.. Like its unsaid but cosmic... Yet in the current scenario they are overruled by the external factors... One by the manipulations of the dad which is clouding his better judgement.. And the other not thinking clearly as to the whys of the matters..

Yes, you are right girls don't wait life long for uncertain relationships... But here it's not uncertain... Love's harmony is just drowned in the external noises currently..

Since you made this post keeping Indrani as subject... I'm hijacking it for a message.. Hope you don't mind..

@Indrani.. My dear sis, clear your inbox once you get this message...

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malikakas

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I don't agree that actions count more than words... that's a perfect way to read more into someone's actions than is necessarily there. If a guy keeps saying you are just friends but does things that make you think he has greater feelings-- I don't think it would be right to assume that he does feel something. That could just be his version of friendship.

I think both words and actions need to be taken together. If there is a mismatch then we owe it to ourselves to try find out why that is instead of making assumptions.

I think in an uncertain situation... I think it depends on the circumstances on how long I would wait. I think earlier when Suman realized Shravan's main issue was his inability to trust in love in general due to the past with Nirmala--- at that point, family pressure notwithstanding, I would've waited indefinitely. Shravan needed someone to help him work through his issues and I liked the fact that she tried to reconcile him with Nirmala even though it backfired.

But with her promise to Ramnath to not make the first move, Shravan's reaction to the situation breaking off the relationship and Nanaji's health on the line... it would make sense to "consider" moving on. At this point all she really sees is how much pain they both give each other-- she would definitely question whether they really are right for each other. It may be a case of wondering whether love is really enough.

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poppinss

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Posted: 9 years ago

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Good one.

Truth be held, a person who is practical, would either choose to be unmarried or take her time with Adi and make her choice.

In reality, friends like Shravan and Sumo would never behave the way they are behaving. When someone is best friends they would have strong communication between them. Even when they fight they know to make up. Friends do not try to change the other person. They get used to their counterpart and accept them with warts and all.

What we are seeing in EDKV is absolutely unrealistic and am sorry to say this, but we are being served bull crap!

Having said that, if this were indeed reality and given the choice between the Shravan who is controlled by Ramu and family OR Adi and Nimmy; Sumo if she is practical would bide for time and not accept the offer till issues are resolved with Shravan and his family OR try and give Adi a fair chance before accepting or rejecting that proposal.

The girls of current gen would first take care of themselves before others. Cause we need to be happy if we have to make others happy. End of the day what is the point if we are going to be unhappy all our life even if we love the person to death. Some things are never meant to be.

Also, in our country a family plays a major role. When Shravan's family is against Sumo, no parent would be comfy letting their girl marry the guy. That said, in this case its more complex than that...the guy has issues too!

It purely depends on what kind of a girl Sumo really is... but either ways the chances of her being unhappy with Shravan is a bigger possibility than being happy. In real life the true face of Ramnath is never realized.

We all think love is an emotion that never changes. That only applies to shows. Love changes with time, it either gets deeper or withers away. If Shravan continues to behave the way he does in real life.. Sumo would gradually start drifting away or commit suicide or worse murder him 😃.

But heck! This is a show. I root for Shraman cause, they are the leads with sizzling chemistry and great looks! So I'd rather that Sumo wait for Shravan and Shravan for Sumo and enjoy the one room, one small bed, No sofa kind of romance 😆😆

Amulya, that is my take on your question.

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indranigupta

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Originally posted by: --Amulya--
Hey girls, first of all I'm really bad in making posts and I usually don't get any replies too... so I just jotted down what was lingering in my mind. I was surprised to see so many arguments for/against mine...

@Indrani,
Yes, we all do know about Shraman's unspoken love... usually I don't think we do express our love in words and even if we do those words won't mount upto the love we actually have for our family and friends... our actions are the one's which convey our love. All it takes is an antenna which transmits proper signals to connect which is hard to find even in the most sensical relationships like that of a parents-child. Its usually hard to understand the reason behind a certain action as we all (selfishness) tend to look on the outer surface which might hurt us at that particular moment. So, I do believe that actions speak louder than words but it usually works in the negative sense. So, I also do believe that some words are needed to be spoken as they might hide forever behind a mask of egoistic nature which we humans do have.

I think here most of the forum members are girls, so I would like to ask a question? How long would you like to wait for an uncertain relationship? here its not even that case as there's never anything which was put across verbally beyond friendship. Love these days even when expressed verbally and then even after going on papers legally there seems to be with uncertainty. So, can we girls really afford to take a stand in front of our family and such a chance in our life just based on pure intuition?

All kinds of answers are welcome with an open heart and I'm loving to read all your opinions on my post...

Amulya...

Your question contains your answer...And Roshni has explained it well😳

However, I shall try to answer it as best as I can (I am afraid not better than Roshni)...

Your first post was on SS...you relate to Sumo more and less with Shravan. Because he has never articulated his love so for him to demand anything more from Sumo is wrong or illogical. My answer to you was then why Sumo was perturbed with the announcement itself...She knew he was upset. How could she have known when he had blasted her the other day at PCT?

Love often requires words...maybe it does...it gives you a sense of security and makes you feel confident. But, then Aditya did verbalize his love in front of Nanu and Sumo and yet he was not secure...though Sumo had agreed to the proposal. He kept on asking her to verbalize it...when she refused he announced his marriage. He wanted her to be bound to the promise she gave to Nanu, so went for a public announcement that Sumo cannot retract her statement. His words were spoken and articulated... and yet, it never was felt by a certain Suman Tiwari.

Because you will say she is in love with Shravan.

But, then this same Shravan had behaved quite rudely with her at the PCT...and she herself mouthed that I shall no longer wait for him. And yet, when she hears that he is nowhere to be seen she is concerned. Why and how does she feel for Shravan? When Sumo challenged Ramnath...why do you think she did that...Because she was Sumo and she loved challenges...No, because she was confident in his love...love for her. She told Ramnath clearly he will come for me. It was a case of faith and trust in love, a love which was instilled by a certain Shravan Malhotra...that he will not fail her.

Why was Shravan so upset at hearing the news of PCT? Because of jealousy...no

Because he heard something from Aditya which shook up his core belief in love...a love which had been created by her trust in him. Aditya said you are no longer the special one...I am. Notice the words you have been toppled from her heart...I hold her affections now...and PCT acted as the proof of it...

Shravan's faith in love and trust was shaken and yet, notice even during the wedding announcement (which transpired the day after) ...he was shaken up...why? After what had transpired as yourself say at the PCT...he should have remained unaffected. Maybe he is mad or deranged or plain jealous you might say...

But the answer is different...

Because a tiny section of his heart still throbbed with the idea that Sumo cannot desert him. She was his special friend. ...It was this idea also which died out the other day...

Yet, love if pure shall endure and will renew, rejuvenate itself and dispel chaos and darkness...

Sumo and Shravan are confident about their love and as Shravan saw her in the rearview mirror (during accident scene) looking backwards...towards her and for her...Love might have to face many hurdles born out of our inner demons or by external circumstances, yet if it is Love in the truest sense it shall not alter...it shall be pa part of our life in psite of the change in clime or space. Shravan's shayari of sardi ki dhoop was one such instance.

For me love itself is a language and a idiom which binds other language...it being spoken can only be understood if two hearts beat for each other...otherwise mere words shall fail...

Coming to your next query...how long will one wait in an uncertain relationship? You asked a question which is general and related not to the fictional world. Your question pertains to the external world which we inhabit, not the world of the text. And that for me is a cardinal mistake. Why equate reel and real? Even if this show has been termed realistic...are we supposed to read the actions of the characters as against our own? I suggest no...the characters have a say only within the world created by the writers of this show...We have to see whether the characters are consistent enough with the idea with which they were created.

We are not Sumo or Shravan..and even if we empathize with them at several times within the story...it is because the world of the show makes sense to us. Not because Sumo or a Shravan is waiting to confess...Realistic show means that all of a sudden Sumo doesnt transform into a fly or Shravan transmogrifies into a werewolf...the changes, the transformations, the rise and fall of the characters ought to make sense within this show we call EDKV...

I hope I made some sense...😆

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Ammy

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Posted: 9 years ago

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@Roshni, @Indrani, @Poppy

Yes, you did make sense and I think I mixed real and reel a bit more... I must remember that this is just a fantasy which is fr from reality... where we want happy love stories but all we get is drama... and in this reel world I think its perfectly fine to have such unrealistic couple whose only problem seems to be lack of proper communication

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Hi Amulya you asked about real life whether we as girls will wait but for me this is a show or rather a tale of two people in that way if I was reading Jane EYre would I still be waiting for a Mr Rochester so when watching Indian dramas or anything that's there on tv or books we need to realise that Reel is different From Real 😆 that's my mantra this is why when people discuss dowry and other issues in the tracks of the show I'm lost ,I don't understand its significance with regards to the storyline. This is a writer writing his PoV right and maximum I can do is go along with him if I agree to his views otherwise move on this is how I watch shows

Now coming to the storyline here I see a lot of posts praising chomu as the gentleman that's perfect match for Suman and Shravan is the antagonist who doesn't deserve Sumo in his life I'm not wasting my words to justify my love for Shravan as its done so much times there's no point blabbering but bottom line I watch this show that is EDKV because of the actors and The characters potrayed from day 1 till today the writers hasn't hinted anything other than Ss together as the endgame no matter whether a Ramnath or Mr Colgate or A Mrs Bun aka Nirmala enter in their choti si duniya that they formed one day in the school corridor which stood still ten years back as if in a frozen time machine and revived back when Shravan returned to Delhi

Here's some questions that I want to post here

why did Suman Tiwari the grown up girl wait for Shravan even though he Bhagoda he was ran away to London did he tell her to wait did he give her any reason to wait or because she wanted to wait

Despite the revenge party was justified in his head why turned back to help Sumo on hearing Varma's language

Why defend Suman throughout in front of Chachi or Ramnath at different times ??
I can go on and on but here is where I stop!!

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Reshma Ahmed

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Reading the discussions here I would say just one thing everyone is right in their own places. About the relationship of ShraMan I would like to say that somewhere they know they love each other. Shravan's "Mujhe pta hai" and Sumo's "Jis din usey mere pyaar ka andaja hoga tab aap usey rok nhi paoge" proves so. But there is always a 'If' in a relation until the person expresses his feelings leaving no doubt in the other person's mind. Mind and heart are always at war and circumstances play a great role on who wins it. Many find sumo contradicting herself and I find myself contradicting myself so many times. Sumo sometimes become realistic and sometimes overwhelmed by her feelings and emotions.

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Roshni2015

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Amulya...

Your question contains your answer...And Roshni has explained it well😳

However, I shall try to answer it as best as I can (I am afraid not better than Roshni)...

Your first post was on SS...you relate to Sumo more and less with Shravan. Because he has never articulated his love so for him to demand anything more from Sumo is wrong or illogical. My answer to you was then why Sumo was perturbed with the announcement itself...She knew he was upset. How could she have known when he had blasted her the other day at PCT?

Love often requires words...maybe it does...it gives you a sense of security and makes you feel confident. But, then Aditya did verbalize his love in front of Nanu and Sumo and yet he was not secure...though Sumo had agreed to the proposal. He kept on asking her to verbalize it...when she refused he announced his marriage. He wanted her to be bound to the promise she gave to Nanu, so went for a public announcement that Sumo cannot retract her statement. His words were spoken and articulated... and yet, it never was felt by a certain Suman Tiwari.

Because you will say she is in love with Shravan.

But, then this same Shravan had behaved quite rudely with her at the PCT...and she herself mouthed that I shall no longer wait for him. And yet, when she hears that he is nowhere to be seen she is concerned. Why and how does she feel for Shravan? When Sumo challenged Ramnath...why do you think she did that...Because she was Sumo and she loved challenges...No, because she was confident in his love...love for her. She told Ramnath clearly he will come for me. It was a case of faith and trust in love, a love which was instilled by a certain Shravan Malhotra...that he will not fail her.

Why was Shravan so upset at hearing the news of PCT? Because of jealousy...no

Because he heard something from Aditya which shook up his core belief in love...a love which had been created by her trust in him. Aditya said you are no longer the special one...I am. Notice the words you have been toppled from her heart...I hold her affections now...and PCT acted as the proof of it...

Shravan's faith in love and trust was shaken and yet, notice even during the wedding announcement (which transpired the day after) ...he was shaken up...why? After what had transpired as yourself say at the PCT...he should have remained unaffected. Maybe he is mad or deranged or plain jealous you might say...

But the answer is different...

Because a tiny section of his heart still throbbed with the idea that Sumo cannot desert him. She was his special friend. ...It was this idea also which died out the other day...

Yet, love if pure shall endure and will renew, rejuvenate itself and dispel chaos and darkness...

Sumo and Shravan are confident about their love and as Shravan saw her in the rearview mirror (during accident scene) looking backwards...towards her and for her...Love might have to face many hurdles born out of our inner demons or by external circumstances, yet if it is Love in the truest sense it shall not alter...it shall be pa part of our life in psite of the change in clime or space. Shravan's shayari of sardi ki dhoop was one such instance.

For me love itself is a language and a idiom which binds other language...it being spoken can only be understood if two hearts beat for each other...otherwise mere words shall fail...

Coming to your next query...how long will one wait in an uncertain relationship? You asked a question which is general and related not to the fictional world. Your question pertains to the external world which we inhabit, not the world of the text. And that for me is a cardinal mistake. Why equate reel and real? Even if this show has been termed realistic...are we supposed to read the actions of the characters as against our own? I suggest no...the characters have a say only within the world created by the writers of this show...We have to see whether the characters are consistent enough with the idea with which they were created.

We are not Sumo or Shravan..and even if we empathize with them at several times within the story...it is because the world of the show makes sense to us. Not because Sumo or a Shravan is waiting to confess...Realistic show means that all of a sudden Sumo doesnt transform into a fly or Shravan transmogrifies into a werewolf...the changes, the transformations, the rise and fall of the characters ought to make sense within this show we call EDKV...

I hope I made some sense...😆

This!!

Indrani, even if I try I can't explain as good as you did.. But thanks!! 😳

+10000 to what you wrote.

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