Why I think Fake Pregnancy was NOT a good idea? - Page 4

Originally posted by: .IamShonali.

@Akansha

Sorry forgot to add this.

I wasnt disappointed with Sanskaar's dialogue. In fact I was the few ones who got what he was trying to say. Swara was really angry at that moment with Ragini for lying (even if it was for good intention). And to calm her down, he said that. Thats what SwaSan do. When one is angry, the other one calms him/her down even after knowing the fact that the anger is very well justified.

Whatever Sanskaar said then, didn't mean that he was supporting Ragini over Swara. He knew she was wrong. He knew she shouldn't have done that at any cost. But still, to lighten the moment then, he said that.

And regarding helplessness, I guess he was referring to a situation coz he himself became Kishan just to be around Swara during the ML phase. So that is what he referred too. My only thing is, he gets the situation, but doesn't support it one bit.

That was my take on it

Originally posted by: .IamShonali.

Disclaimer: This is NOT a bashing post. So bashers stay out of it. I am just stating my opinion and want to hear other opinion as well. By this post, I just want to have some healthy discussion with everyone and contribute in forum rankings. I have already posted my stand but reposting it here as well.

shonali i'd said taht i agree wid u completely but want 2 say sumthing else also tho u've covered every thing..

I still dont think fake pregnancy was the right step taken by RagLak to do something right. No it wasnt.

i agree FP was not rite step how much their intentions were noble.

1) Is it ok for the child to grow up with a lie about its own identity? One day the kid will come to know about its identity. One day everyone will know. Do you know what heart break or mental trauma the child would suffer then realizing how the world never wanted the kid to be alive and how his/her parents/sibliings/family never had the strength to fight for its rights?

i agree again.no child deserves 2 b lied abt its own identity unless theres life & death situn but not like here.it was not that once every1 wud'd known abt the kid at MM they wud'd killed the kid. but kid wud'd been in trauma as u'd said.

2) I honestly dont care about AP and Sujjata coz they are hypocrites and have double standards in their own way. I was damn infuriated when they had asked Shomi to have an abortion. So I dont care for the feelings. But it is still a lie you shouldn't be saying. No matter how much you like or dislike them, it is still playing with their emotions. And its not like Ragini didn't have a support. If I remember clearly, DP had clearly asked the ladies of MM household to back out and not interfere. And that he will support Shek Shomi decision, if that decision was to have the baby. All Ragini had to go was talk to DP and he would have made sure the ladies of the house dont do anything against and let Shek Shomi have the kid.

i also don't care much abt AP & sujju's emotions as they r really hypocrites. tho sujju is 2 blunt while AP is not.i said i don't care much abt their feelings but ragz shud'd thot abt that bcoz it was AP who tried 2 dissuade laksh not 2 divorce ragz & even sujju also 4gave ragz once she helped them in kavya case.and it was also playing wid the emotions of DP<RP,swasan & adarsh who all were in support of shomi. raglak cud'd v.easily handled both AP & sujju alongwid daadi. AP is 2 lenient wid raglak . they r her favs & she'd 4given them v.easily unlike swasan.laksh cud'd easily done that wid the help of DP.sujju she follows he r jiji & luvs her chhora 2 much so snaky cud'd easily handled her. and daadi also luvs laado v.much so after sumtime she wud'd cum along.

3) I have hated Shek-Shomi in this entire track. A mother cares for her child the most. I just dont get it. Shomi, being a single mother, didnt care about the samaj and its pressure when she had Swara. And now all of a sudden she does. Shekhar was always a spineless father. So I have no comments on that. Instead of agreeing to Ragini's plan, he could have gotten angry at her for coming out with such an idea. I just dont get it. How the hell Shek Shomi were ready to give away their child like that, without thinking what the child will feel when he/she grows up and knows the truth? Parents fight for the kid. Even if they have to fight with their own family, they do. And fighting doesn't mean go insult the elders and thrash them however you want or leave them alone. Its just called speaking up for the right. And I think in this Shek-Shomi turned out to be a big time cowards

agree. in whole of this shek-shomi r ruined. shomi wen came 2 know abt swasan fake mrg she immediately reconciled wid shekhar 2 save swara's life & reputn &was even ready 2 tell the truth if ragz hadn't done that kidnapping drama & shekhar hadn't disbelieved swara.

and shomi wud'd ready 2 fight 4 ragz also as its shown in revelation but she'd gone 4 this FP drama.

4) CVs messed with Ragini's character big time here. Ragini, when she was negative, when she was fighting for her love, did every evil thing possible, without thinking about the family, samaj and the reputation. So once Ragini is positive, she will lose that strength? All of a sudden she is scared for the reputation? What would have made more sense was Ragini taking DP and AP into her confidence and rest would have automatically fallen into place. And DP would have handled dadi somehow too. The girl who fought for her parents relationship with her sibling and was ready to break off the engagement with the ONLY love of her life was now scared for the same? Even when her husband would have supported her? When she would have gotten the support from her father in law too? Doesn't make sense to me. My only thing is if Ragini was shown taking this step before she turned negative, her helplessness and worry about the 'reputation' of the family would have still been understood by me. But right now, I just dont get it.

agree wid u.

5) Dadi, I hate the most. Everyone is putting the blame on halaat and how dadi tried to kill the child and everything. My question is, didn't dadi try to kill Shomi as well (more than once) when she was against Shek-Shomi wedding? Didn't she fake to accept Shomi and then tried killing her? What did Shek do then? Did he hide somewhere? Or did he fake to marry some marwari woman but was married to Shomi? Did the girls lie about that? No they didn't. They fought for Shomi. And the condition then was worse then what the condition (halaat) was right now (the one Ragini referred too). They were removed from their samaj, their faces were blackened and what not. But still, Shek got married to Shomi then (one good thing this man ever did). He fought for her. And that time entire society was against them. And still they fought and got accepted. Was she able to harm Shomi after? No right. How hard would it have been to fight for your own child? Especially when you would have had full support from not only your kids and their husbands but also people like DP, RP and Adarsh would have supported too.

agree again .and shekhar-shomi cud'd easily shifted 2 dida's house.they were already shifting there wen ragz came 2 know abt shomi's pregnancy.by doing this they wudn't'd left daadi alone & also had spared from daadi's constant manipulns 2 try 2 kill the kid.

6) My last and final point. For every battle that you start with society, you have to make sure first the family accepts it. If the family doesn't, society is not going to accept it too. And thats what they showed us earlier during the Shek-Shomi marriage and Swara's birth truth. As soon as everyone came to know about that, they were humiliated. DP made sure they were thrown out of the so called samaj. But still the girls and Shek-Shomi fought. They got married, stayed together, made sure their family accepts them. DP slowly realized how wrong he was and accepted and then society had NO RIGHT to oppose and accepted them. Every thing begins from the family. My point is all RagLak had to do was convince few members of the family and they would have joined hands and that would have saved them to not to put the facade of fake pregnancy.

agree wid u completely.thye needed 2 convince their family rest society wud'd easily agreed. and they already had done wen ragz asked them 2 shut up in baadi.they wud'd talked behind walls 4 few days then all wud'd accepted bcoz its not that sin has done by shomi-shekhar.

Again, this is not a bashing post. So bashers, stay away.

Why it was not good idea?

I mean logically, practically or from show point of view?

Logically no woman can pretend to be pregnant more than 3 months. Pregnancy is not only about growth of stomach. Entire body goes through changes. Looking at Slim Dim body of Ragini, anyone (specially those dozens of experienced ladies like sujata, AP, Dadi etc.) would come to know she isn't pregnant.

Practically if any couple is so much concern about society would use precaution. In this generation where science has done enough progress and one can stop pregnancy even after 48 hours, chances of protection failure is very less. And, even if it fails, why is it wrong to go for abortion? Even I was anti abortion, but during a discussion in another forum someone said that people will just preach how abortion is wrong and leave, parents have to bear the child for lifetime. If parents themselves consider that child burden, then no use of taking that child in this world and make his/her life miserable.' And I fully agree with it. Personally, I'm against all these abortion nonsense when couple are married and can afford to take responsibility of that child but shomi just wanted to play passing the parcel with that child. Better to terminate such pregnancy.

From show point of view I don't understand what was the use of that pregnancy track? They declared Ragini Pregnant something 1 month back and after 1 month God bharai and exposed her. What was the point? Either a show should have TRP or content but this show has none. They didn't even try to get TRP using this track. This was like side track with Main Memory loss track. As this show has nothing to do with logic and practical point.

Few things are beyond right and wrong. Not everyone has right to have an opinion on everything, people should stay away from personal matter of couple. I don't know why sanskar should have an opinion on this? His brother and SIL wanted to adopt a child without informing anyone. It's not right because it's wrong to hide, but it's not wrong either, their life and their wish. Their family planning is their matter of concern. It was not required to justify it nor it was needed to go against it. They should give space to each other. Swara should go and complain to her mom. But, does she have right to complain? She knew Dadi is totally lunatic and they wont get fully accepted ever, still she got her mom married there, so this shouldn't be surprise for her.

At the end of the day Ragini was the saviour, not killer. Who knows? Shomi might have aborted the kid or given to someone else without involvement of Ragini. Saviour is always bigger than killer or coward. Ragini deserves that child more than Shomi. One can fight against society if society is against something. This was matter of embarrassment for them, not something illegitimate. No way society can stop a married woman from giving birth to kid, matter was she didn't want to get mock by neighbours and relatives. That was quite silly issue. Matter was not society, shomi needed to fight with herself. Her self confidence was missing, her child became burden for her and Ragini just asked him to give that burden to her.

Shekhar has always been moma's boy. Never expected anything from him. His duty is just to donate sperm and rest he's not responsible for anything.

Originally posted by: luvakanksha

I really don't think sanskar said that to reduce swara's anger, if ragini wouldn't have intervened, u tell me what would have been sanskar's question? Ki agar tum ragini ki jagah hoti toh kya karti? Right? And what would have been swara's reaction to that question, she would have said I would have never done what ragini did. So how does this question in any way would have reduced her anger? Kishan case was totally different because swara was not ready to fave sanskar at all he had no other option, ragya had many other options which could have saved the baby without using this stupid FP idea.

Originally posted by: tiny15

tho u'd said all & i just agreed 2 them wid my bit of views.but main thing i want 2 tell which i feel the diff in my view is that ppl r saying they r rite bcoz their intentions were noble & they cud'd also done that etc etc but i think they'd option.its not they din't've any option.

i agree sumtimes we've 2 lie 2 save the truth or establish righteousness but that shud b done wen theres no option left. here they'd option.if no1 was agreeing & they were not geyting support from so many ppl i cud'd understood.

Originally posted by: Divine-Pearl

Why it was not good idea?

I mean logically, practically or from show point of view?

Logically no woman can pretend to be pregnant more than 3 months. Pregnancy is not only about growth of stomach. Entire body goes through changes. Looking at Slim Dim body of Ragini, anyone (specially those dozens of experienced ladies like sujata, AP, Dadi etc.) would come to know she isn't pregnant.

😆😆😆 Thats true. Logically, it is NEVER possible.

Practically if any couple is so much concern about society would use precaution. In this generation where science has done enough progress and one can stop pregnancy even after 48 hours, chances of protection failure is very less. And, even if it fails, why is it wrong to go for abortion? Even I was anti abortion, but during a discussion in another forum someone said that people will just preach how abortion is wrong and leave, parents have to bear the child for lifetime. If parents themselves consider that child burden, then no use of taking that child in this world and make his/her life miserable.' And I fully agree with it. Personally, I'm against all these abortion nonsense when couple are married and can afford to take responsibility of that child but shomi just wanted to play passing the parcel with that child. Better to terminate such pregnancy.

See my thing was very clear. It was Shek-Shomi decision to have the baby. They WANTED to have the baby. They WANTED to raise the baby. Simple. Society shouldn't interfere just because its late pregnancy. Family shouldn't interfere. Because its the couple choice at the end of the day. If parents dont want that responsibility of the child, then sure. They can get the abortion done. Why torture themselves and child that way?

If you want to have the baby, be strong enough to take the responsibility. Because it is your child. Its your decision. If you know you cannot take the responsibility or cannot fight with the society, then just get it aborted rather then giving it away to some other family member and make it have a different identity. I think thats complete BS. Even though I am against the idea of abortion, its not that I dont get it. As I said, if the parents are not ready, sure they can have it. But even after being ready for the child, what Shek-Shomi wanted to do was to just give up the kid. And the reason? Family and society pressure? I would have still to some extent understood their giving up the kid to their own daughter if they DIDNT want to raise the child. But they wanted too. Then why sort for that option? It wasnt that one of them were going to be a single parent to that child? They both were happy.

Yes! There are so many cases where people or couples or single parent put their babies up for adoption because of several reasons. It could be not ready for the responsibility, or financial stability or can again be family pressure (Abortion under family pressure, WHICH I AM VERY AGAINST, only happens to single parent. Atleast thats what I have observed). Its hard to fight the family when you have absolutely NO support. Not even from your partner. But not only did Shek-Shomi have each other support, their kids supported them. Their kids husband supported them. The men of the MM household supported them.

From show point of view I don't understand what was the use of that pregnancy track? They declared Ragini Pregnant something 1 month back and after 1 month God bharai and exposed her. What was the point? Either a show should have TRP or content but this show has none. They didn't even try to get TRP using this track. This was like side track with Main Memory loss track. As this show has nothing to do with logic and practical point.

Show's point of view what just to gather drama and help Ragini as a character become acceptable as a positive lead. And yes, there was NO LOGIC and NO practical point in this.

Few things are beyond right and wrong. Not everyone has right to have an opinion on everything, people should stay away from personal matter of couple. I don't know why sanskar should have an opinion on this? His brother and SIL wanted to adopt a child without informing anyone. It's not right because it's wrong to hide, but it's not wrong either, their life and their wish. Their family planning is their matter of concern. It was not required to justify it nor it was needed to go against it. They should give space to each other. Swara should go and complain to her mom. But, does she have right to complain? She knew Dadi is totally lunatic and they wont get fully accepted ever, still she got her mom married there, so this shouldn't be surprise for her.

To be honest, no one had the right to say or force anything upon Shek-Shomi to abort or have the kid. It was their choice. And yes, it is RagLak's choice too whether they want to have the kid or adopt the kid. No one has the right to interfere there. Not even SwaSan. Not even the parents. But, they should still be AWARE. They have the right to know. You just cannot present someone else's child to the family and tell them that its their blood. Its WRONG. I am 23 years old. And my parents as usual indian parents have started looking for guys for me. And I have made a condition to them. Find a guy for me, who would not only let me have my own kid, but would ALSO let me ADOPT a kid. Thats my condition. The guy has to know. The family has to know. Its still my choice. But still they HAVE to know. I am not telling that in terms of any differentiation point of view. I am not someone who believes in apna and paraya khoon. But for me, involving and informing the family in matters like this is MOST important. They might or might not agree. But doesn't mean you keep them away from important truths like this.

At the end of the day Ragini was the saviour, not killer. Who knows? Shomi might have aborted the kid or given to someone else without involvement of Ragini. Saviour is always bigger than killer or coward. Ragini deserves that child more than Shomi. One can fight against society if society is against something. This was matter of embarrassment for them, not something illegitimate. No way society can stop a married woman from giving birth to kid, matter was she didn't want to get mock by neighbours and relatives. That was quite silly issue. Matter was not society, shomi needed to fight with herself. Her self confidence was missing, her child became burden for her and Ragini just asked him to give that burden to her.

No one questioned Ragini's intentions here. Please understand. I get that whatever she did was for the baby. To save a child. But the path she took, as pointed out by many, was wrong. Her choice to deal with this was wrong. Not complaining about her intentions at all.

What i didn't understand was, how is this an embarrassment? This kid was out of their marriage. It was their legitimate kid. BTW, I dont believe in legitimate/illegitimate shit as well. For me, all kids are similar. I mean Shomi had more confidence and power and faced the society with self respect when she was taunted for Swara. A daughter, she had out of wed lock. A daughter, who according to the society was illegitimate. And she was ready to fight for her? Everyone keeps pointing out RagLak had no choice because EVERYONE was against it. Tell me who everyone is? Dadi? AP? Sujju? They had DP in their team. Just a talk with DP and he would have made sure AP and Sujju completely backs out of this. And they would have made sure dadi doesn't create any unnecessary ruckus against Shek-Shomi or the unborn kid. And society then and there would have stopped interfering.

Thats what happened during Shek-Shomi marriage drama. The Halaat then was worse than what Ragini was comparing too. They were thrown out of the samaj, humiliated, their faces were blackened, goons attacked them. Still that wasnt able to stop Shek-Shomi from getting married. Dadi tried killing Shomi then too. That didn't stop Shomi from getting married to Shek or go stay in the same house where she or Swara weren't welcomed. What happened after? Did they not get accepted? They got accepted not only by the family but also by the samaj or society. Thats why I pointed out in the last point, the fight begins from the family. When family accepts it, society has no right to oppose it. Whatever happens.

And yes, Shomi's self confidence was completely killed by the CVs. And i dont get why. Thats why this fake pregnancy track made NO sense to me. Ragini, Shomi, Laksh were out of characters. Laksh, during Shek-Shomi wedding drama, had walked out of his house to support them. And what did he do now? Sort for this? Didn't make sense to me. Ragini who did everything against the family, when she wanted to win her love, so confidently, had no confidence when she had to fight for her own family? her parents? Didn't make sense to me. It would have still made sense to me for Ragini if she didn't turn negative at all. But the girl did far more worse things and wrong things confidently. I just didn't understand why she lacked that confidence to do something which was RIGHT.

Shekhar has always been moma's boy. Never expected anything from him. His duty is just to donate sperm and rest he's not responsible for anything.

True that😡

Originally posted by: .IamShonali.

Ahh Tiny, your last statement completely took me away. I completely agree. You can definitely chose to lie when you have NO choice left. But that WASNT the case with RagLak. They did have a choice.

And completely agree with whatever you said😃