What would you love, mirror or the reflection?

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Hi,

Well, the title says it all. What would be your answer? The mirror, or the reflection? Before you skip to the part of answering, let me explain the question in better terms. In the meantime it would give you time to reflect upon your answer and your own opinions...

"You don't love someone because they're perfect, you love them in spite of the fact that they're not."
Jodi Picoult, My Sister's Keeper

What is love after all, when you take off all the bells and whistles, frills and icing? It is a pursuit of happiness, in a way. In general human beings dislikes being alone, shunned from the society, the enjoy attention and falls in to depression at the lack of it. But you don't care for the opinions of the entire universe. There are only a few, no more than a well chosen twenty, whose opinion about you really matters to you. Those are the ones you love. You want them to think of you, you want them to pay heed, care, make gestures of affection and add to the empty places of your life in what you lack and they have as qualities. You make memories with them, to cherish when they are no longer with you, or distanced from you. Why? Because you enjoy recalling that the people you love, used to care, and love you back.

To receive this, to have them around you, you love them back. You pay them attention, you show them affection, you think of them and helps them in every way you can.

That is in simple terms love in plain human world.

So where does this general idea take birth? It is from ones short comings isn't it? The need to have what you don't, is what attracts you to someone who does have them. In another way, it screams that in turn the one we turn to is incomplete themselves. It is us that complete them. That is where the terms, Ying and Yang, better half, Ardangini...comes from. They complete us, in turn we complete them. In other words, both would be incomplete otherwise.

So why it is so hard to accept that, there can be shortcomings in a person?

But a true soul mate is a mirror, the person who shows you everything that is holding you back, the person who brings you to your own attention so you can change your life. "

Elizabeth Gilbert, Eat, Pray, Love

Returning to the original question.

Soul mate is that mirror, in itself it has no reflection. It is empty and meaningless. When you peer in to its depths what you see is yourself staring back. Now either you can fall in love with the knowledge that they show you who you are, or what they show you. It may seem the same thing, but has a world's difference in context.

If you love the reflection it means you love yourself, the way you see it. You imagine the person you love to be a certain persona instead of seeing what they really are and love it. You recoil from the signs of faults to their nature and you turn a blind eye to their mistakes.

You place them at stead so high that they are bound to fall. When they do, it only hurts you more. Perhaps enough to start hating them. Not for any apparent fault but for being themselves and hurting you by shredding the mental image you had of them.

"It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not."
Andr Gide, Autumn Leaves

This is my personal opinion. I would rather hate the mirror if I have to, instead of loving the reflection.

Giving you a little pause to think what yours is.

Now coming to the true intention of this post. Why is it so hard for us fans to accept that neither part of our OTP is flawless? Why do we turn a blind eye to their mistakes and always find, even illogical ways of redeeming then, when the plain fact is staring at us?

Why do we recoil from opinions that are different to ours? Recoiling is one thing, why do we openly attack them? Is it necessary to turn violent just because someone dents our imagined reflection?

Fiction is always based on real life and vice versa at some points. There is no need for someone to be utterly perfect to be worthy of admiration. Why can't one simply accept it? Faults are pointed out, in a peaceful away, in hope of correcting them. That is the process of growth. If one expresses their displeasure at a certain twist, or a certain behavior of a character, that is viewer's feedback and CVs would gladly accept it. Then why do we bother?

On the other hand, the last question for the day. Does one's mistake, justifies another's? If one character is ruined, is it valid to think...great now the other should be ruined too. And if the other is ruined, it's okay because there was another ruined first? Is this really the thought process leading to any development, or a discussion that yields some sort of material for the future creations? For me it sounds purely illogical.

Lastly, I did not write this to lecture anyone. It is a simple declaration of opinion openly. I would invite you to do the same...but in a civil manner as the discussion requires. No weapons hurled at anyone, or any insults to any fictional or non fictional persona is neither intended or invited.

My opinion,

I did not find Sanskar justifiable in the maalkin track. Neither do I find Swara justifiable in her dialogs or behavior here. I see faults and I'm pointing them out. What we had served on our plates was not what the menu promised. We were lead to believe this was a fairy tale lovestory, a cosmic connection...where one felt the other's emotions from a distance of miles. I'm seeing the same washing away before my eyes and I object to this destruction openly. So I wished there should be certain steps taken, certain emotions shown, discussions portrayed where both Swara and Sanskar would look back at their actions and feel something...amiss. I did want Swara to feel guilty, for she had forgotten a huge part of her life and caused pain for someone who she loves so deeply. I would have, if I went through the same and would have done something that lifts the burden off my heart and eases my breath. Then I feel the beauty of what I come to love would be restored in some quantity.

Thanks for reading.

Love,

Sakura

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Dear Saku,

Such a wonderful observation - the mirror or the reflection.

As I read somewhere "Find your believing mirrors, the people who see your light and shine it back to you when you cannot see it."

That is what Swara and Sanskaar embodied for each other, mirrors for each other.

I remember what I wrote on some other post about Swara and Sanskaar and what they meant to me:

They are truly a golden couple who have actually revolutionized the concept of true love, and yet somehow making it more real, more believable. Anyone can love and live with the good in someone, but willing to love them after seeing the worst? They have seen what a mess each of them could be, seen their flaws inside out, the scars on their souls, they know how moody each can get, how hard they are to handle at times and still want them in their lives.

They taught us that true love does not mean being inserparable, it means being separated and even then nothing changes. That love means remember that many things one has done right rather than the one thing done wrong. That love is unconditional. That it means standing by on good days and standing closer on bad days. Yes, they do complete - each other as well their thoughts and sentences. And as John Keats said "Two souls with but a single thought, two hearts that beat as one"


I adored them as a couple and as individuals, flawed and yet right for each other, imperfect alone but absolutely perfect together.

But then adoring someone does not mean being blind to their flaws, and not voicing it. Even in real life, we know who loves us and whom we love, our love for them does not render them flawless. And as someone who is so emotionally invested in this couple, it hurts when they act or say something which I feel is not correct. I judge what they said or did, not them. It is their words and actions that I criticise, not them. I believe I have a right to say - I do not agree to this act or this words you have said.

When we can do that in real life to the people around us, who have actually seen us in our worst moods and still love us, why can it not be for an OTP I adore and love? The key word here is OTP - that is Swara and Sanskaar, neither can exist without the other. But that does not mean both have to be equally loved or equally lovable all the time. They are representations of real humans with all the inherent frailties. So obviously they would slip up and make mistakes. And yes, as fans we can state our objections and express our distaste - again for what they have done or said.

Please note that what is written below is mine and only my personal opinion and I am stating what I feel. If any of the readers disagree please feel free to state your views.

I abhorred Sanskaar's attitude (mind you, the attitude, not him) during the malkin track. Fear of heartbreak does not justify ill treating the very person whom you love to death. His stance was wrong. And his idiocy in picking Kavita was frustrating, to say the least. I simply did not watch those episodes. I am also very upset that not once was any remorse shown by Sanskaar for the way he refused to heed to Swara or her fervent pleas.

I cannot digest Swara's behaviour in this ML track. My mind cannot wrap its thinking around the "staring in your face" medical fact that amnesia affects your ability to process and retain memories. If a personality change happens, that's not because they have amnesia. Personality and memory are controlled by two different parts of the brain." So the short answer is no, Swara's actions are not justifiable for me.

And now coming the crux of this rage that I carry - my Swara has been destroyed and I want her back.

That Swara who believed that everybody had goodness in them. This Swara cannot see beyond that one single image, all the photographs, everything that the rest of the families say simply falls on deaf ears.

That Swara who forgave Sanskaar (she would have done that with anybody) for ruining her character (by trying to portray her as a drug addict) and attempting to sabotage her wedding with Lakshya (she knew that he was guilty and yet she forgave him, wholeheartedly). This Swara refuses to believe everybody for the sake of one image.

That Swara who choose to believe Sanskaar when he promised to be a friend and trusted him with her body and mind by asking him to pretend to be married to her. The Swara here has forgotten that word and what it means.

That Swara who could look Sanskaar in the eye, with a gap of less than a foot between them, in the absolute privacy of their bedroom and accuse him of betrayal because he dared to fall in love with her while he had only promised to be a friend. This Swara has forgotten about being fearless.

That Swara who in her pursuit for truth, steeled herself to question Sanskaar because she had some facts about his plausible involvement in Ragini's kidnapping. Swara here is not even interested in hearing what anybody says about him not being guilty.

I mourn the loss of that Swara - it was that Swara who is my half of OTP. I want HER back, the Swara who belived in everybody being good and that everybody needs a chance to tell their story.

Please I want my SwaSan back. - is it too much to ask for?

Nyna
Edited by Nynaeve - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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ahh ..saku ..such a beautiful post with beautiful thoughts to ponder upon

Mirror and reflection ..such a fascinating concepts.When I hear of mirrior first thing that pops in my mind is tale of snow white and seven dwarfs where the evil queen keeps asking the mirror, " Mirror Mirror on the wall, who is fairest of all ?'' and what does mirror show? .. TRUTH

The truth can be taken in two ways , Either you accept it or live in denial trying to convince yourself or finding ways to do the same or bent upon changing it when it is impossible

Human nature ..its way too complicated..when we love someone beyond a reasonable point often we tend to pictures them and cast this perfect image of them in our mind heart, that anything or everything that threatens to break that image , we neglect ,ignore or chose not to believe ..in this case short comings ..the problem lies in not being able to accept that your object of fascination too can have shortcomings and nothing is flawless. The peace lies in accepting the same and it is disrupted when you turn blind eye to the same and start fighting too hard with yourself and other because you are afraid of being hurt ..

Applying same logic in relation , one point comes when you cant ignore and truth ultimately gets to you ..it will break that image breaking you to into pieces ..oh god that sounds pretty serious😆

But I always like and loved a quote I read some where , the jist of it though I am not able to put it down exactly . "It not about two perfect people being in relation , but two imperfect people who come together and make up to each others shortcomings is what makes a relation perfect "

and For me SWASAN is one ..MY Love, My OTP pair. they both have their flaws when they are together they are just perfect..My darlins😳❤️

When it comes to forum and views put across the same logic applies .Fans tend to idolize a character so much that they cant take up a slightest of different view which can disrupt this prefect image ..and thats where the problem comes , but ultimately the truth is fictional or real ..nothing or no one is perfect in this world and they comes with short comings ..so its the choice ..accept/ dont accept , discuss, move on and stay in peace or fight bash mock and spoil your peace and that of others and forum as well

At the end its all about choices we make Mirror which shows the truth or the reflection which you want to see

Lovely post darlin..👏👏⭐️

Lucky


Edited by lucky.m - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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sakura
dear I agree to this lost completely thanks for the positivity.
I still can't understand why people cannt respect other views? if someone is not being rude and saying things politely then also some people come and lable them as haters !why so much negativity?
when youngsters can't bear this then why we people blame society and old ideologies ?
we make society and also its our duty to think and then act be it personal life or 'cyber' life
leave the negativity becoz we are here in this forum to enjoy to share to listen and not to fight and invite migraine

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Can I say that I love you!! ❤️🤗 Beautiful post!!😳
Nothing more than this!!
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Will unres a little late. Plz bear with me. I have so much to say!



Unreserved:


First & foremost people discuss things which matter to them. No one likes to waste their time on characters or stories which are not worthy of discussion. What makes a character worthy of discussion? His flaws & failures. There is nothing to discuss when everything is perfect. We set expectations & when our expectations are not met we discuss it out. Now, if my favourite was being discussed in a constructive manner I would really love it because that means he or she is doing something worth talking about. If all posts about a character start & end with "oh perfect" that means the character is damn boring. Why would I want that for my favourite?😳

Also, denial is the worst kind of lie, because that is one lie you tell to yourself. It can make things seems rosy to you, but where it matters i.e. in character development, story progression, the all important TRPs the same will not be reflected & then once again begin the blame games😕 But if perfection was portrayed why blame at all?😳 Take some responsibility of what you defend so that even the makers feel ashamed of showing less that quality stuff. We spend our time watching this show & we have a right to demand quality instead of being complacent with whatever is shown. You are not disloyal if you point out obvious gaps in a story or obvious defects in a character. When you defend a wrong it just goes on to provide indirect encouragement to the makers who feel at least someone understands.

Secondly when in a relationship one person behaves like a jerk the other person suffers. But most importantly the relationship suffers. You can make up to a person you hurt but how do you make up to the relationship? You can retie a thread you severed but the knot will always remain. If I protest vehemently when I see my OTP or one half of my OTP going down this path of self destruction it is because I CARE! For me it is not a competition. Relationships are not about keeping scores about who was worst when & how but about doing everything both can to make the relationship better. If I do not see this obviously I protest. It is not about feminism, being Indian or being a misogynist evenIt is about caring about the relationship as a whole.

Third, it is great to have different opinions. Many a times I have understood a character better after reading a few points made by his/ her fans which I missed out on completely since I did not like the character. That is how discussions work. That is how they WOULD work if carried out in the right spirit. But things turn bad when real people attack real people for fictional characters. If you can feel so much for a fictional character why cant you feel that much or more about people whom you talk with daily? What happened to being respectful & decent? Is it too much to ask for? Instead of going on a quoting spree maybe try putting across your points & then just leaving? I have done that very often & have managed to diffuse situations which could have blown up had I kept replying. It doesn't mean I agree with everyone who quotes me. It just means that I see they have a different opinion & I agree to disagree.

Now coming to the specifics

I had no issues with Sanskaar in the Maalkin track though I hated him utterly in the Kavita engagement track🤢 reasons for both I had discussed when the tracks aired so will pass on this time. Similarly I hated Swara in ML track. I am not going to stop saying that just because it makes anyone angry. IMO at the end of this track we are back to square one with Swara which I think has harmed by OTP & that saddens me a great deal. When I was promised a SwaSan track I thought I would see another beautiful facet of their relationship. In turn I saw their relationship's ugliest side, the side where still the head rules over the heart for her🤢 I have said enough about what I didn't like about Swara in this track on various posts. Not going to write it all here since what is done is done & is now beyond rectification. Now I can just try to forget this Swara because for me this was Swara at her lowest. She was a much better person, she could have improved on that in this track. There was no need to destroy her beyond recognition just to accommodate a villain.

Edited by The.Lannister - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ishanita

sakura
dear I agree to this lost completely thanks for the positivity.
I still can't understand why people cannt respect other views? if someone is not being rude and saying things politely then also some people come and lable them as haters !why so much negativity?
when youngsters can't bear this then why we people blame society and old ideologies ?
we make society and also its our duty to think and then act be it personal life or 'cyber' life
leave the negativity becoz we are here in this forum to enjoy to share to listen and not to fight and invite migraine

I agree Ishita. A few bad apples should not be a reason to condemn the entire stock. Negativity is everywhere and respect for different opinions is lacking, I don't understand the point of a forum if different opinions can't be discussed in peace.
Thank you for agreeing with me😊
All in hope of turning this a better place in future.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: MusicAddict

Can I say that I love you!! ❤️🤗 Beautiful post!!😳
Nothing more than this!!

Thank you Sakshi🤗
All I do is to make my second home a sweet and better place.😊
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Originally posted by: Sakura24

Thank you Sakshi🤗
All I do is to make my second home a sweet and better place.😊


It is high time this happens!! 😃
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Posted: 9 years ago
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🤗 Sakura
Hugs for the post. Just what the forum needs

Love
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