What is the limit in accepting certain relationships?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Before I begin this topic, I would like to state that it's not meant to bash any actor/character/couple. I want this to be a mature discussion without any name calling, bashing or childish behavior. Please only post here if you can act in a mature manner.

This topic is mainly on Dharam and Meera's relationship, but it also spans out to different relationships we see in society or relationships which are prohibited.

Honestly, I have no issues with Dharam and Meera's relationship based on age. I used to when they first got married, but I have slowly come to like Dharam's character as he's the only male in the show whose character has developed realistically. Dharam is not that old. He's only a little past middle age, and yeah he may be as old as Ahem or even older, but that doesn't matter if Meera truly loves him.

HOWEVER, the fact that he is Vidya's father-in-law is what concerns me and stops me from liking their couple fully. It also made me think about what the limit is for love. Does love have a limit? Should love have a limit? Should love transcend all types of relationships?

Should parents ever accept a man for their daughter, who is the father-in-law of their other daughter? Is that right, morally or legally? Is love so great that moral/legal aspects should be ignored? Can't Dharam and Meera's relationship be called incest, and if it is, is incest ever right, even if both partners are consenting?

It concerns me that accepting such a relationship can open the door for other types of relationships, with the justification that partners are in love and thus should be able to get married.

What if in the future, a boy marries a woman who is his mother-in-law in relation?
What if a girl wants to marry her uncle?
What if a girl wants to marry her own father, or vice versa??

For a moment, let's forget about Dharam and Meera. I'm talking to fans and haters both. Let's forget about Dharam and Meera, and SNS as a show. What if this happened in our own family? What if we had a sister, and she fell in love with our father-in-law? Whether he is married or not is a whole other issue, but just think for a moment. If your father-in-law and your sister fell in love, would you ever support such a relationship?

Should love have limits? We'd like to say no, love shouldn't have limits, but then it opens the door and offers justification to all sorts of incestuous relationships.

Should incestuous relationships be accepted just because both partners are consenting and "in love"?

Again, this post is not meant to offend any fan group, but I am genuinely curious what members in this forum truly believe.

Can we truly support a Dharam and Meera in real life, or are people liking them only because the actors have superb chemistry (which cannot be denied)?

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Thanks you for not being judgmental towards Dheera, this topic is rather nice in that it is not provoking bashing but simply an interesting discussion 👍🏼

I personally don't feel there is anything wrong with Dheera anymore, not the age and not the FIL issue either. The presence of Durga did irk me but she is not in the picture anymore which makes me ship Dheera even more.
Btw incest in my definition, is when couples have blood relation which Dheera do not have.

What if in the future, a boy marries a woman who is his mother-in-law in relation? You mean his wife's mother? Then I would not object IF they truly live each other and the wife either doesn't object or isn't in the picture.

What if a girl wants to marry her uncle? This would be incest in my eyes. And personally, I do not approve blood related couples but I cannot force my opinion on someone else who does not see anything wrong in it. As long as it isn't hurting anybody then what is the problem? For example, my friend is Muslim and her sister is married to her cousin and I wouldn't judge. My cousin is also married to her cousin which I personally did not like but again, who am I to judge?
What if a girl wants to marry her own father, or vice versa?? But love between a father and daughter has a different meaning compared to love between a couple. This is where I would draw the line, not to impose limitations on love but because this relationship has a different meaning of love. But then again, I do not know anyone experiencing this so cannot honestly form a balanced view. I'd feel this is going above and beyond.

And if I ever know someone close in the same position as Dheera then I would not mind. As long as they are both good hearted people who love each other.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: xPalkix

Thanks you for not being judgmental towards Dheera, this topic is rather nice in that it is not provoking bashing but simply an interesting discussion 👍🏼 No problem, I too have seen some of the bashing posts in this forum and IMO, they are tasteless. I honestly had this doubt in my mind, and was wondering how many people would support a couple who is like Dheera in real life.


I personally don't feel there is anything wrong with Dheera anymore, not the age and not the FIL issue either. The presence of Durga did irk me but she is not in the picture anymore which makes me ship Dheera even more.
Btw incest in my definition, is when couples have blood relation which Dheera do not have. Yes, I do think blood has a big role in incestuous relationships, but certain relationships after marriage are pretty strong too. Personally, I would not marry anyone who has a relationship with me whatsoever, either through blood or marriage, but that's just me.

What if in the future, a boy marries a woman who is his mother-in-law in relation? You mean his wife's mother? Then I would not object IF they truly live each other and the wife either doesn't object or isn't in the picture. What do you mean by "doesn't object"? What if the wife is still married to him, and he fell in love with her mother? Wouldn't that be not only awkward, but also legally invalid?

What if a girl wants to marry her uncle? This would be incest in my eyes. And personally, I do not approve blood related couples but I cannot force my opinion on someone else who does not see anything wrong in it. As long as it isn't hurting anybody then what is the problem? For example, my friend is Muslim and her sister is married to her cousin and I wouldn't judge. My cousin is also married to her cousin which I personally did not like but again, who am I to judge?
What if a girl wants to marry her own father, or vice versa?? But love between a father and daughter has a different meaning compared to love between a couple. This is where I would draw the line, not to impose limitations on love but because this relationship has a different meaning of love. But then again, I do not know anyone experiencing this so cannot honestly form a balanced view. I'd feel this is going above and beyond. This is exactly what I mean. I guess father/daughter example was bad, as I haven't ever heard of anyone actually falling "in love" with their father, that's just sick on all levels. I do believe in love, and I also believe in supporting love, but at the same time, shouldn't society pose at least some restrictions on relationships? If there were absolutely no restrictions whatsoever, wouldn't humans become barbarians after some time? To live in a civilized society, there needs to be a balance between freedom and restrictions, that is what I believe, but the question is, who decides those restrictions?

And if I ever know someone close in the same position as Dheera then I would not mind. As long as they are both good hearted people who love each other. Wouldn't relationships between their children become awkward? For example, would Vidya's child call Meera Daadi or Maasi? On the one hand, I do believe people have the right to fall in love with whoever they want, but on the other hand, I feel that people should honor family relationships as they are, you know?


Personally, I'd like the CVs to create a back story in which it is revealed that Shravan is not Dharam's son but actually his younger brother, that Dharam's father had an affair with a much younger woman who gave birth to an illegitimate son (after Dharam and Durga's marriage), and that Dharam and Durga adopted him as their son so that Gaura doesn't kill the baby out of anger.

I would be far more comfortable with Dheera's relationship if only he wasn't Vidya's FIL. Otherwise, the age doesn't really matter to me.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Good points to discuss Janaki,
I have a slightly different perspective to it, from what I see, Meera is elder sister to Vidya , and elder sister, is synonymous and equivalent to a mother's position... For Vidya, Dharam is Father in Law, meaning father, if he wants to marry her elder sister , who is more in position of mom.. the relation is not wrong per se. If mom(elder sis) becomes mom-in-law, or if father-in-law, marries your sister and becomes jiju, who again, is more like a father.. then I personally don't think there is anything morally or legally wrong .
The age difference never really was a point of concern for me.

Love surpasses all ? I can't say much about this in real life context... but the fictional writers never make people fall in love where they cannot justify their jodi "morally, legally, ethically "
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: munnihyderabad



Good points to discuss Janaki,

I have a slightly different perspective to it, from what I see, Meera is elder sister to Vidya , and elder sister, is synonymous and equivalent to a mother's position... For Vidya, Dharam is Father in Law, meaning father, if he wants to marry her elder sister , who is more in position of mom.. the relation is not wrong per se. If mom(elder sis) becomes mom-in-law, or if father-in-law, marries your sister and becomes jiju, who again, is more like a father.. then I personally don't think there is anything morally or legally wrong .
The age difference never really was a point of concern for me.

Love surpasses all ? I can't say much about this in real life context... but the fictional writers never make people fall in love where they cannot justify their jodi "morally, legally, ethically "


That's a good point, munni. Yes, both FIL and MIL are equal to father/mother, and Jeeju/Didi are also equal to father/mother.

However, since Jeeju and Didi are like father and mother, their son would be equal to one's sibling, wouldn't it? So now...either way we look at it, wouldn't Shravan be Vidya's brother in relation?

It makes Vidya's marriage to Shravan also look like incest.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ..RamKiJanaki..


Personally, I would not marry anyone who has a relationship with me whatsoever, either through blood or marriage, but that's just me. - That's cool and I don't see anything wrong with this opinion. Even I feel the same way about blood relations. I only have an issue when people try to force their beliefs/opinions on others.

What do you mean by "doesn't object"? What if the wife is still married to him, and he fell in love with her mother? Wouldn't that be not only awkward, but also legally invalid?
By 'doesn't object', I mean that the wife gives her consent. Not like Durga who expected Dharam to still be in a relationship with her and at the same time, did not object to Dheera. I don't mean that because that is mocking the meaning of a marriage.
If a man or a women fell out if love for whatever reasons, the best thing would be to talk and try to amend things. However, if that is not the solution then I don't see the point of the marriage any longer. If the person falls for another then that person should let their partner and themselves escape from a crowded marriage and separate. If the person continues to be in a loveless marriage and at the same time, loves another then that is obviously wrong. Said the same thing for Dharam when Durga was alive.

This is exactly what I mean. I guess father/daughter example was bad, as I haven't ever heard of anyone actually falling "in love" with their father, that's just sick on all levels. I do believe in love, and I also believe in supporting love, but at the same time, shouldn't society pose at least some restrictions on relationships? If there were absolutely no restrictions whatsoever, wouldn't humans become barbarians after some time? To live in a civilized society, there needs to be a balance between freedom and restrictions, that is what I believe, but the question is, who decides those restrictions?

Of course. For example, some people marry their dogs (actually heard this on the news) and well the irrationality of this case speaks for itself. I think instead of placing restrictions on anything, people should try to understand each other and then give their opinions. Restrictions will never work 100%. Especially for love which is something innocent and pure so I would prefer to treat it like a child. If a child cries you give it food, you do not slap it.

If the child continues to cry then you give it a toy. If it still carries on you do something else to make sure it calms down. Most people would think child needs food to quieten down but it might be something you never thought of. In Saathiya I remember Meera would only stop crying if Rashi did something to entertain her. If Rashi was someone Gopi absolute hated then would it be acceptable for Gopi to let Meeta cry just to avoid Rashi becoming close to the baby?

Wouldn't relationships between their children become awkward? For example, would Vidya's child call Meera Daadi or Maasi? On the one hand, I do believe people have the right to fall in love with whoever they want, but on the other hand, I feel that people should honor family relationships as they are, you know?

Things can become awakened at any time. Even if a couple is perfect, their families might not like each other and that can cause awkwardness, but that shouldn't become a hurdle in the couples lives. I think we just want everything to be simple and that is why we don't like it when things change or people do unconventional things because it challenges our views, something no one likes. Life is never going to be straightforward so it's better to adapt and adopt new changes. You don't always have to agree but if you can treat any situation with ease then that will only benefit you as a person. In my opinion anyway.

Personally, I'd like the CVs to create a back story in which it is revealed that Shravan is not Dharam's son but actually his younger brother, that Dharam's father had an affair with a much younger woman who gave birth to an illegitimate son (after Dharam and Durga's marriage), and that Dharam and Durga adopted him as their son so that Gaura doesn't kill the baby out of anger.

I would be far more comfortable with Dheera's relationship if only he wasn't Vidya's FIL. Otherwise, the age doesn't really matter to me.


Even I'd like the confusion to cease but does not look like the cvs have any intention in doing so.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Awesome Post👏👍🏼
100% agree with you...
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Posted: 9 years ago
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I think there relationship is the last last push that can be morally accepted in society, however other relationship u suggested specially (W*F merry ur own child?) r u crazy?
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hello everyone. i would also like to shair my pov also here. come to dharam as apair i dont have any problem with them becase they are justba charater of a story. i cant accept them irrespective with every prospetive. but in real life i cant accept them. i have my own reason that are practical.
main reason is their age difference is too much it is nearly twice between them. if it happen in real life we have to rember that age is one important factor for life. jab in donome se ek person will be in her/his thirty other will be in sixty. aur ye age difference will always their. our ham aise duniya mai rahate hai jaha ek insan jyada se jyada 80 to 90 year jinda rah sakata hai. yahi ek reason hai jisake karan mai ye real life mai accept nahi kar pa rahi hu.
i have think every emotional as well as practical reasons. and emotional reasons will be always change after some times.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Initially, I too had objected Dheera relationship not because of huge age difference but only because he is Vidya's FIL. That is the only reason. Personally, I am a cricket fan. Some of my friends are fond of Imran Khan who is much older to all of us. When I saw him, I too had developed the same craving for him, knowing that it is not possible for me to get him at least in this birth.

I'm sorry if I am sharing about myself but this is only to convey that age is never a problem for me. However, I say Dharam is not that old. When I think about Dheera, somewhere in my sub conscious, it was reminding me of Imran Khan who is old but is still hot & handsome.

The second reason is that Dharam was already married to Durga which makes his relationship with Meera illegal. Durga has been annoying to me as she neither fought for her right nor did she step out of Dharam's life though I felt bad for her.

Because Dharam is Vidya's FIL, his marriage with her sister has led to muddling the relationships. But recently, I began to look in a different direction when the CV's has brought Nayya to make it more complicated. I was expecting a twist which would reveal that Shravan is not Dharam's son, Nayya is not his daughter (Since she just came) and Durga is not his wife. But that didn't happen.

The other way is what munni had mentioned in his/her post. Elder sister do take mother's place to guide and protect her younger sister but at the same time, she takes care of her happiness too. More than a sister or mother, an elder sister can also be a best friend with whom you can share everything whether good, bad or ugly.

Even in this complication of relationships, Meera and Vidya understand each other. In Vidya's eyes, Meera is still her elder sister and not her MIL. In Meera's eyes, Vidya is still her younger sister, not her DIL. Also, in her eyes, Ahem and Gopi are still her parents, not samdhan.

Though Durga jinx has gone, the fact still remains that Dharam is still Vidya's FIL. I wish Vidya calls Dharam a jiju rather than papaji.


Edited by katrinasalman - 9 years ago

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