Originally posted by: shrikrishna
Heyy
Finally you replied to me. I was wondering I made so many posts in your topic, you showed your siilent support to another member but never came to have a debate with me over it. I am all up and present for it. Anyway its irrelevant piece.
@ Red - Nope. I don't see acting as the main topic subject. It was backseat, the whole front page is just about "decency" and judgement on basis of clothes. After some pages, there were talks of acting and now, suddenly its all about just acting - nothing to do with clothes.
I don't find anyone claiming that Atre is doing better work than Shilpa. While Angoori was excellent with Shilpa, its poor version is played by Atre. Even I haven't watched Kasturi, though I've watched Do Hanso Ka Joda and Chidiyaghar and she was absolutely fine in both of them. Maybe coz they were somewhere a extension of her real self and she didn't need much acting.
@ Turquoise - I absolutely agree with that point!!! Some people can't settle with mediocrity especially after watching a full package (Shilpa) for a long time, while enjoying and appreciating her acting talent.
@ Blue - Thanks for clarifying that!! because this topic comes across as degrading and judging woman on basis of clothes. I am not the only one feeling it. Many others have felt and written the same. Maybe what you want to say doesn't result in the same meaning you had in your mind. I don't think Atre will feel degraded by it. She's an actress and I am sure she must've listened worse than this. Those people can't react on each and anyone.
@ Purple - Nope. I don't have a habit to degrade others. Unless someone else degrade me.
Unlike what I was accused by some another member, I called Shilpa fat not to insult her (heck there's nothing even insulting in being a body type - slim or fat) but to make a point about her selection of clothes. Check it out for yourself. http://www.india-forums.com/forum_posts.asp?TID=4625460&PID=133742686&#p133742686
I never called Shilpa ugly, Atre's got called. I said that Shilpa played grandma in her last show (Do Dil Ek Jaan she played Daya Maayi) but it was said I called her grandma.
Other than that, all I said was for Angoori's version which Shilpa played, and nothing to Shilpa herself. Mind you Angoori is just an imaginary character who has nothing to do with reality. Whereas Shilpa and Atre are real beings. I didn't call Shilpa as cheap C grade unlike Atre's got called.
And I've made personal remarks on Shilpa's body and looks - I've called her mesmerizing and beautiful.
As for moral policing - It has to do with a question you asked in your topic that - Does any Indian woman wear these kind of clothes outside their bedroom? You asked this question and indirectly implying (I think so, tell me if I am wrong) that no one does that. Now we've enough girls like me and others who said they even wear shorts, this decency on clothes will sound offensive. This topic has a question for Indian women so I don't see how its a POV. And well, from what I've seen in India (and read about the world), judging women on basis of clothes is called moral policing that's why I used the term. But since you said your motive wasn't to pass judgement on basis of clothes - I apologize... I am sorry to use that term.
And yes, I do have problems with moral policing. Specially men who comments on how women should wear Indian culture clothes while themselves dressed in a funky T-shirt and skinny jeans dropping from waist. (This isn't directed at you. Since you asked my problem with moral policing, its something to do with real life)
I had no idea you were so keen to debate with me. 😊 Haven't been following all the replies so put a like here and there.
Yes, you're right. The front page does discuss clothes. I will tell the truth-I made this topic to rile people up. I have an agenda. I wanted people to demand a better actress. And this kind of thing instantly gets people's goats'.
Well, perception of body type is subjective. if we put Shilpa next to Atre who is a petite body type, then she's relatively fat. But IMO at least she's not fat as such. Therefore I would never use this term for her. But I would use it for Ramkali because she's definitely fat. But only if I was describing her you know. I take great care as a rule to look at things as objectively as I can. I can't help it. It's part of who I am.
I appreciate your clarification on Shilpa but there was no need.
As for the last part of this post, I clarified many times that I have no problems when women wear shorts, tank tops, or bikinis at the beach or swimming pool. But I'm yet to see many woman wear the kind of clothes that present Angoori is wearing, on the streets. Sure you see some native young women wear cleavage baring blouses and you usually also notice the lecherous looks of the men around them. Women wear backless cholis and see through sarees too at parties and all. But IMO most women do not wear these kind of clothes in the sabji mandi or the mohalla.
It's not a common sight for me at least and I've travelled a fair bit in India.
Then there's also that neighbourhood Aunty who will be wearing a normal saree but will "accidentally" drop the pallu when you're around. Make of that what you will. (Disclaimer:This last comment absolutely bears no relation to the show or any actors.)
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