Surrogacy: when Raman's guilt, and his biggest fear lead to insanity.

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I don't think Raman just feels guilty about losing their child. I think he feels guilty for a lot of things. For falling in love with Ishita in the first place. Forget everyone else, audience and other characters I mean, he himself doesn't think he deserves her. If he really could, if he could deny that he loves her, he could be divorced from her and in Singapore. In his mind Ishita and mani, and Ruhi were a perfect fit. But he couldn't. He couldn't deny how deeply he felt about her.

Therefore, Raman doesn't carry guilt for just the incident. I think ever since he came to understand his feelings for Ishita, he felt like he trapped her. He knows being with him is so difficult. She had to fight constantly to break his walls, she had to face the wrath of his enemies. She had to face his past, and the fact that Adi hated her. He knows she has had to deal with more heartache in 2 years of marriage than some face in a lifetime. And Raman feels like he has given her nothing in return. There is a reason Raman hated Mani so much for a long time. He thought Mani was right about him. And he still thought he was right about him when he held himself responsible for the bus accident.

This isn't Shagun we are talking about. Who constantly demanded something. It's Ishita, who asked for nothing. Who never asks for anything. Shagun deserved nothing, Ishita in Raman's eyes, deserves everything. Raman isn't just drowning in guilt in the current time frame, he's been carrying it around for a long time. And the bus incident, and Ishita's miscarriage, broke him.

We focused so much on Ishita not breaking down, we forgot to see Raman fall apart over the fact his wife wouldn't let him in on her feelings either. Again, he felt guilty for not being enough. We got a glimpse of this when he got drunk after an encounter with Ashok. She reassured him we can get through this. But Raman by this point knows Ishita will always stop herself from falling apart so everyone else can. And I think it leaves Raman in a lot of pain to think she won't allow herself to fall apart in front of him about this. He must be questioning why. In Ishita's attempt to move forward, to hide that this pregnancy meant so much to her, she unwittingly makes Raman question yet again whether he is good enough. What does he have to do, he must think, for her to let him in. Because Raman has let her see the most broken parts of himself. Why hasn't he been able to do the same for her?

Again, this isn't a Raman vs Ishita post. Ishita is a martyr, she gets carried away in this role, because she feels needed. As if her taking on the weight of the world protects Raman from doing so. As if he needs her to do it. So he needs her. And if he needs her, he won't leave her, like subbu. She is a classic over compensator. My point is, to feel like she was still needed, she unwittingly made Raman question for the thousandth time whether he was what she needed.

And this is where it goes incredibly wrong in my opinion. Ishita was not responsible for surrogacy. To clarify, I am not saying that. I do however think she was slightly responsible for leaving Raman so in the dark that he thought she might slowly suffocate to death if she kept everything inside. If she kept all that pain inside. He, because of this 'no communication' pattern that keeps causing trouble for them, comes to think that she has decided to harbour all of this pain. She won't break in front of those around her, most importantly him, and so he fears she will eventually, die of a broken heart. This will finally be the event that breaks the camel's back. What if she now slowly slips into a death that no one could see because she is Ishita Bhalla, the ultimate pretender. And Raman Kumar Bhalla cannot live without Ishita.

So, after his pleading for her to fall apart, and her denial to do so, he thinks he is left with no choice. If she isn't blessed with a child, if they don't see this dream come true now, after being so close, she might protest she is okay, he might avert his eyes for a second, and when he looks back, she might have died. That is what Raman thought. And he has said, the thought of this makes him crazy.

Well ladies and gentleman, welcome to Raman at not just crazy, but at the height of insanity. Her denial over surrogacy, Raman decides, is just her not getting her hopes up yet again. So he blatantly ignores it. He thinks this is an answer to all his problems. We will have a child. My wife will not waste away in her own silent misery. I will finally, finally be able to give her the one thing everyone said she could never have. I, Raman Kumar Bhalla will finally be worthy of the love of my life. And this is the point he stops thinking ahead. Consequences be damned so long as Ishita will live, and I will finally be enough for her.

This was my attempt to unravel what the hell was going through Raman's head when he did what he did. I'm ignoring the whole ridiculousness of shagun's involvement. The only thing I will say about that, is that I really don't think Shagun means very much to Raman, her 'death' taught us that. We know why shaguniya was centre stage.

Finally therefore, Raman was desperate. And when people are desperate, insanity can Insue. And so it did. Raman and Ishita are so flawed at the outset, even in the very beginning of the story as individuals. Bring in love that is so all consuming between them, to be honest, disasters were inevitable considering the drama required in this earlier slot.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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I so wish the surrogacy has been focused well instead of stupid booth drama..what Ishita told to Simmi other day is so true..after her miscarriage she keep asking Raman whether he is with her..if he is with her she don't have any sorrow..which have become genuinely out from her..but Raman instead of giving moral support to her broken state he opted surrogacy at her back..and the worst part he has to meet Shagun secretly..imagine what Ishita had gone through this time..now I have a question let's assume ishra reunite..the words he uttered at the time of leap can't be taken back..after she doing so much to the family..she being called so many words..will she ever be able to take out the tag of baanj or step mother..I wonder whether it is practically possible for her to come out from this shell provided her husband who should know her has blamed her for all the mishap

One other point would like to add..no matter how insane you are..opting his ex-wife as surrogate mother is totally unacceptable..Ishita said once the women who always calls her nanny/baanj has to surrogate mother of her child..how insane that is..I'm not against Raman I love ishra to the core..its just that their ex-wife intrusion in their lives is not required..however they need drama and story for years to run
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Divya5377

I so wish the surrogacy has been focused well instead of stupid booth drama..what Ishita told to Simmi other day is so true..after her miscarriage she keep asking Raman whether he is with her..if he is with her she don't have any sorrow..which have become genuinely out from her..but Raman instead of giving moral support to her broken state he opted surrogacy at her back..and the worst part he has to meet Shagun secretly..imagine what Ishita had gone through this time..now I have a question let's assume ishra reunite..the words he uttered at the time of leap can't be taken back..after she doing so much to the family..she being called so many words..will she ever be able to take out the tag of baanj or step mother..I wonder whether it is practically possible for her to come out from this shell provided her husband who should know her has blamed her for all the mishap

One other point would like to add..no matter how insane you are..opting his ex-wife as surrogate mother is totally unacceptable..Ishita said once the women who always calls her nanny/baanj has to surrogate mother of her child..how insane that is..I'm not against Raman I love ishra to the core..its just that their ex-wife intrusion in their lives is not required..however they need drama and story for years to run


Shagun had to be kept in the storyline after all. She now served no purpose whatsoever. Hence I ignore her completely in terms of the idea she could come in between ishra. The only way I made sense of shagun's involvement is that Raman can never be in love with her. It's just not possible for him to love anyone but Ishita. And yes this is a weak justification, because really, shaguniya just had to be kept around and so the cvs lost their minds.
But in terms of characters, if we look beyond the craziness and ott drama, I think Raman was at a loss. He was terrified Ishita would either die, or spend the rest of her life in agony about the loss they suffered.
Edited by Zoyamalik2005 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Bang on post...
Agree with each and every line of yours...


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Posted: 9 years ago
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Great post Zoya...
One of the beautiful aspects of your posts is that u r seeing in the dimension where others fail to see & again this post proves that... There is always an untold story to every situation/human & we generally fail to see the other side of the human being...
Edited by kaa1202 - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Such a beautiful write-up & thank you for trying to gain the perspective when Cvs failed to make sense...

If there is anything Iam seriously mad at cvs..It would be surrogacy...
I absolutely hated the whole sequence...and Shagun becoming the surrogate mother killed it once and for all with no hope ever.
They didn't even bother trying to redeem it or gain respect for Ishita's ordeal...Everything was brushed under the OTT tracks that followed...& the fear of TRP never even allowed them to explore Ishita's feelings,How she feels about surrogacy & Shagun being the surrogate mother.

They had to bring it up, only to throw it all away..
Ishita breaking down and explaning her misery & nightmare to Simmi at the clinic & the heart to heart Raman & Ishita had after Ishita knowing the truth are our only solace.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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I will come back to this.
To me Surrogacy fiasco has always been the most disappointing and the wrong thing raman ever did.
Raman was the most realistic character till then but the cvs brutally killed him in this track😭

Wonderfully written👏
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Originally posted by: sarsyed

I will come back to this.

To me Surrogacy fiasco has always been the most disappointing and the wrong thing raman ever did.
Raman was the most realistic character till then but the cvs brutally killed him in this track😭

Wonderfully written👏


i know. it could have been so realistic if they considered it TOGETHER. alas, it wasn't. But i though i would give it a go to explain his insanity
Edited by Zoyamalik2005 - 9 years ago

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