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Posted: 9 years ago
#11

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Shipreeta,your whole rendering of Lakshmana Samba story is quite true. But only the part where you wrote Subhadra loved Arjun,Arjun did not even think of such marriage that is not given in MBH BoRi or any version. The above post is from KMG translation. It was clearly stated Arjun fell in love or attracted to her at the very first sight. Krishna endorsed it clearly. Marrying Bua's son is acceptable.In those days and even today such marriages are in practice.Krishna married Nagnajiti his uncle's daughter as per Maha Bhagawat.Actually Star Bharat distorted Subhadra episode by showing Arjun disinterested towards her. He is totally smitten by her and her being his uncle's daughter made his task easier.Subhadra reciprocated by readily accepting her abduction with beautiful smiles. So such marriages do happen then and now.But what is absurd is Vrishasen's friendship with Samba which is highly impossible.Samba can be a friend to Abhi but not to Vrishasen. After all Abhi lived in Dwaraka .


Marrying cross cousins was common in Yaduvanshis but not that much in Chandravanshis, although it might be probable that I am wrong
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Lakshman Kumar willing to marry Balaram's daughter is another story (although it is not in any Puran rather is just a forklore) Duryodhan was Balaram's favorite shishya. He had earlier arranged his marriage with his sister Subhadra, but Subhadra eloped with Arjun and their alliance could not happen. The next time he decided to get his daughter married off to Duryodhan's son, the alliance was fixed, but Sasirekha loved Abhianyu since childhood (remember Abhimanyu spent his childhood in Dwarika (with his monther Subhadra) when the Pandavas were in exile, Subhadra had then gone to her Mayka.
Krishna ji knew that both Sasirekha and Abhimanyu loved each other, so he with the help of Ghatochkat made the lovers unite. This story actually is no where documented and is in much probability false (one might argue that Arjun married his first cousin, but cross cousin marriages were not very common those days especially in Chandravanshis, Yaduvanshis(who were considered lower to the pure line Kshatriyas) on the other hand did follow this practice, (it is probably due to this reason that it was Subhadra who loved Arjun before marriage and not vice versa, probably he could not have even thought about Subhadra in those lines. I would definitely not even think of my Bhaiyaa, my bua's son on the terms of getting married), also in this story Lakshman was shown as a stupid ugly fellow, which he certainly wasn't. He might not have been a great warrior, but was still good enough

Lakshmana and Saamb story (yes it is Saamb and not Shyam which is one of the names of Krishna ji) is a more authentic one as it finds its mention in the Bhagwat Puran. Saamb was the so of Krishna ji and his second wife Jamwanti. (Pradyumna as you said was the son of Krishna ji as well but he was from his first wife Rukmini) had started loving Lakshmana who was the twin sister of Lakshman Kumar and a very beautiful girl. Saamb was a very beautiful person, in a female attire he could easily give challenge to the most beautiful girls of those time. Lakshmana also had some liking for the Yadu prince but it was not as great as to elope with him. Saamb decided to abduct this girl and take her to Dwarika, but while he was leaving for Dwarika, the soldiers of Duryodhan caught hold of him, and Duryodhan arrested Saamb. When this information reached Dwarika, both Krishna ji and Balaram got anxious and the latter decided to attack Dwarika, Dury as I already said was Balaram's teacher, so he went to him. Balaram loved Saambb dearly and so he asked for Saamb's immidiate release and marriage of Saamb and Lakshamana to which Duryodhan readily agreed. Saamb and Lakshamana was said to be a very lovey dovey couple in fact
wow..that was quite insightful...thanks a lot..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Quote. Marrying cross cousins was common in Yaduvanshis but not that much in Chandravanshis, although it might be probable that I am wrong. Shipreeta Chandra vamsis also married that way. Arjun's brother Sahadev married Vijaya his maternal cousin daughter of Dyutisen of Madra. Hence Arjun 's marriage is not to be considered common only from Yadavas side.Chandra vamsis also had cross cousin marriages.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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The samba-lakshmana tale was unknown to me. Thanks for the info.
I agree with lakshmi di. It was arjuna who first fell in love with subhadra and not vice versa. In star mb they showed that subhadra loved arjuna much before the draupadi swayamwara but that i don't think is true. However subhadra abducting arjuna is also a popular folklore. And if i am not wrong, after this abduction the entire yadava clan and balarama were against arjuna's action but it was krishna who pacified them all for his dear friend and had them married.
Regarding lakshman kumar-abhimanyu-sasirekha, this is a popular folklore but according to mahabharata, uttara was the only wife of abhimanyu. Vatsala/Sasirekha was bethrothed to duryodhana's son lakshman kumar by her father balarama, duryodhana being his favorite pupil but she loved abhimanyu and so with ghatotkacha's help they got married.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Karna-Vrushasena relation, i don't there was something bitter as they are showing it. First thing, the digvijay did not last for 12 years obviously. I think it took hardly a year or two. So the entire scenario of vrishasena hating karna for not paying attention to his family seems baseless.
SidT seems to just want to gain more sympathy for his dear putra sonykarna. But then, i like the actor playing vrishasena and he is much better than the other actors here.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Ramya SID T wants not only his Putr Karn but also his Pautr Vrishasen to get elevated to a higher level. How can he show Vrishasena getting friendly with Samba? I think he must be thinking we are all fools to believe whatever he shows in the name of Bharat or SPK. Disgusting .
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: ramya06

The samba-lakshmana tale was unknown to me. Thanks for the info.
I agree with lakshmi di. It was arjuna who first fell in love with subhadra and not vice versa. In star mb they showed that subhadra loved arjuna much before the draupadi swayamwara but that i don't think is true. However subhadra abducting arjuna is also a popular folklore. And if i am not wrong, after this abduction the entire yadava clan and balarama were against arjuna's action but it was krishna who pacified them all for his dear friend and had them married.
Regarding lakshman kumar-abhimanyu-sasirekha, this is a popular folklore but according to mahabharata, uttara was the only wife of abhimanyu. Vatsala/Sasirekha was bethrothed to duryodhana's son lakshman kumar by her father balarama, duryodhana being his favorite pupil but she loved abhimanyu and so with ghatotkacha's help they got married.


I was not very sure about cousin marriage thing being common in Chandravandhis so stated otherwise, but listening to your points, it seems that probably cross cousin marriage was common in north India then as it is in South India now. I am not sure on that. Personally I could not digest that fact 😛😛
In any case I feel that Lakshman kumar-Abhimanyu-Sasirekha case is a false forklore because they show Lakshman as a stupid and useless fellow who easily gets fooled, Lakshman might not have been of great intellect but was definitely not stupid, he did give a good fight to Abhimanyu in the war at least for sometime. A simple warrior (or rather a stupid warrior) would have not been able to stand for even a minute in front of the mighty Abhimanyu. Also as you said Uttara is mentioned as the only wife of Abhimanyu in Mahabhrat. Also how to forget that Dury and team killed Abhimanyu with treachery. I don't think any father will forgive one who makes his daughter a widow that too with treachery and this is a well known fact that on the 18th day Balaram ji actually favored Dury against Bheem

Coming to Saamb Lakshmana story this as I mentioned is there in the Bhagwat Puraan an is therefore definitely more authentic than the lakshman kumar-abhimanyu-sasirekha forklore.
This also strengthens from the fact that before the war when both Arjun and Dury went to seek the alliance of Krishna and the Narayani Sena, both said that they deserve it as they are the relatives of Krishna,
Well no doubt a first cousin of your half cousin (rather step cousin as Dury never considered the Pandavas as the son of Pandu) from the opposite side is definitely your relative, but is that relation so strong that you could use that relation to ask that person to ally you against the very half (or step) cousin who form the basis of this relation? I think he asked this from the POV of a Samadhi, as a Samadhi definitely is as close as a first cousin if not more. The last lines are just my thoughts
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Posted: 9 years ago
#18

Originally posted by: ltelidevara

Ramya SID T wants not only his Putr Karn but also his Pautr Vrishasen to get elevated to a higher level. How can he show Vrishasena getting friendly with Samba? I think he must be thinking we are all fools to believe whatever he shows in the name of Bharat or SPK. Disgusting .


Exactly my point. No reason why Vrihsena would go to Dwarika or why Saamb would visit Hastinapur, forget friendship, how did these guys even meet.

I think SidT has just done a generation leap like that done by all the shows of Ekta Kapoor and others

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