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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Divine-Pearl



Whatever I have heard about that film, they have not shown that Neerja was alone fighting and rest were sitting. Ram Madhvani has not taken those 300 people in film from street, after going through so many auditions those 300 people were selected and many are theatre actors. If his intentions were to just glorify Neerja, he could have taken anyone. Why to go through so many auditions just for the people who have to just sit in plane? But this is not documentary of that hijacked plane, it's film about life of one person, we can't expect from a filmmaker to cover 16 hours journey just in 2 hours.

Nupur is totally coming out as a jealous person. She has every right to demand credit for others but she has no right to call Neerja 'undeserving'. Someone should ask her that how on earth an undeserving person stayed inside the plane when she had a chance to run away. Neerja was the one who opened the doors, she could have been the first one to go out of the plane but she stayed. Neerja was the one who informed pilot about hijack and he immediately left the plane. That's the reason terrorists were not able to take the plane anywhere. From which angle Neerja looks like an undeserving?

Nupur and others who survived are alive, they can narrate their own stories through social media but how to know about journey of Neerja? That's the reason there is someone who is narrating her story through a film. If Nupur wanted people to know her story then what was she doing from last 30 years? She could have written a book about their journey or asked someone to make a film. After 30 years when someone brought back Neerja, she can't digest that.

If that movie was about hijacked plane then everyone has right to complain about why their part of struggle was not highlighted. But, that movie is only about 'Neerja', so no one has right to complain.

No one would have called her jealous if she had asked for credit respectfully. Trying to put down your dead colleague and ask for credit is pure jealously. She should be happy that someone brought back that incident and everybody is interested to know about them. There are many who survived are giving interviews and sharing their personal experiences through social media. They all are getting respect.


@ bold.. that's what the makers told us. I read one of the hijacker's trial transcript and it says that several crew members alerted the pilots and opened emergency exit doors. Guess that's where words "undeserving adulation" coming from because Neerja is getting whole credit for what many others did too though I agree she should have worded it better.


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Posted: 9 years ago
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@ bold.. that's what the makers told us. I read one of the hijacker's trial transcript and it says that several crew members alerted the pilots and opened emergency exit doors. Guess that's where words "undeserving adulation" coming from because Neerja is getting whole credit for what many others did too though I agree she should have worded it better.

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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: MiniRulz

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Yes it's me.. same Purva 😆😆 Usually I am a silent reader of BW section but had this urge to thank someone on this thread 😛
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: purva


@ bold.. that's what the makers told us. I read one of the hijacker's trial transcript and it says that several crew members alerted the pilots and opened emergency exit doors. Guess that's where words "undeserving adulation" coming from because Neerja is getting whole credit for what many others did too though I agree she should have worded it better.



Here someone has different story to say.

Among the survivors was a resident of Symmes town, Cincinnati, Ohio. He described how Neerja saved him even as she was covered with blood from her abdominal wound.

"I was going to jump out but she (Neerja) said it was a wing exit and it would be too long a fall for me," Asian American Sekhar Mitra told theCinncinati Enquirer four days later. "She directed me to the rear exit and I got out".

On the tarmac, he saw Neerja being carried away.

Mitra returned home to Symmes town, to celebratory yellow ticker-tape and welcoming tears of joy. Neeraja returned home to Bombay in a wooden coffin, two days before her 23rd birthday.

"She was fantastic," a grateful Mitra said, "the only real hero in the incident."

After the four terrorists dressed as security guards hijacked the Pan Am Boeing 747-121, it became obvious, Mitra said, that Americans were their primary targets. "Their leader passed by our seat several times, pointing his guns at us, saying, Are you American citizens? Do you have American passports?'"

Minutes after hijacking the jet, the terrorists asked one American citizen to kneel down, place his hands behind his head. They then shot him and flung his body onto the tarmac.



After the hijackers ordered Neerja to collect passports of all passengers, she hid the American passports.

"I still can't believe she did that," said Mitra. "If they had found that out, they would have killed her immediately, I'm sure." Forty-two other US citizens were still alive on Flight 73.

"The flight attendant smiled throughout the incident despite the fear surrounding her," Mitra told James McCarthy of the Cinncinati Enquirer on Sept. 9, 1986. Her calm courage irritated the hijackers, Mitra said, and they often pointed guns at her. But she smilingly went about serving sandwiches and coffee to passengers and whispering comforting words.

Seventeen hours into the hijacking, hell let itself loose when the stricken Pan Am aircraft was plunged in darkness. The on-board power supply had given out and the back-up battery died. The terrorists panicked, opened fire and tried setting off explosives in the deadly dimness, even as bullets ricocheted in the cabin. People screamed, bleeding, running in the carpeted fuselage of death.

Survivors said Neerja shielded three children with her body as the hijackers opened fire.

She had earlier secretly hidden instructions inside pages of a magazine to a passenger sitting next to an emergency exit. She helped him open the exit hatch when the hijackers began firing. She could have escaped to safety. But she stayed back, kneeling by the emergency hatch to help passengers out. "Get out", she said. "Run."

A hijacker saw Neerja freeing their hostages, furiously dragged her to her feet, placed a gun on her head and pulled the trigger.

"I saw her getting shot," a Flight 73 survivor Dr Kishore Murthy told my media colleagues in Mumbai on Thursday. "She was shot in the head, point blank".


http://atimes.com/2016/02/remembering-neerja-bhanot-pan-am-flight-73-to-ny/

No one except Nupur claimed any such thing. If there was anything wrong with film they would have openly said that Neerja was not so great like they are making her out to be. There were around 380 people, Nupur was not alone. None has any complain except Nupur. That's what we call jealously. Neerja definitely had chance to escape but she didn't.


We don't have Neerja to defend herself and people like Nupur are taking advantage of it. Words which she used for her dead colleague are enough to prove how genuine she is. Genuine people don't talk shit on social media, if what she claimed is truth then she should come out and talk.




Edited by Divine-Pearl - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Neerja was a known name even before this movie was made and released. She was the recipient of Ashok Chakra for godsake. If we are to question the 'Recognition' aspect, then it should go back to thd time when three countries bestowed their bravery awards upon her and those countless accounts which always mentioned Neerja as an inspiration. This project by Ram Madhvani was an attempt to narrate the story in mainstream cinema.

Wonder if they thought the same when Neerja became the recipient of Ashoka Chakra, as well? Because she was the only one who received it even then. Unless they think that a Bollywood movie is more important than the recognition and awards by the Government.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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^^ As I told you before.. I have read trial transcript which I put more weight on compared to survivor stories. It's human nature to give more credit to fallen heroes as compared to surviving one. That doesn't make anybody's act any more worthy or less worthy.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: purva


@ bold.. that's what the makers told us. I read one of the hijacker's trial transcript and it says that several crew members alerted the pilots and opened emergency exit doors. Guess that's where words "undeserving adulation" coming from because Neerja is getting whole credit for what many others did too though I agree she should have worded it better.



Plane has more than one emergency exits. Neerja was one of them who helped open it. But it was shown in the movie others also helped along with the passengers. So they all got the credit. There is no undeserving adulation for Neerja. She deserves the credit for what all happened. Government had rewarded her and they won't do it without verifying what all happened that day. Passengers have forward to speak about Neerja and the same must have been used by all three governments to award her. We can only speculate. But there is no way she would be awarded if she didn't deserve it.

Even then all who showed courage that day are heroes. But the movie is called 'Neerja'. So it's obvious it will be Neerja centric. But in no way the movie puts down others or their efforts. Speaking illy about one's dead colleague just to uplift yourself and others is disgusting to the core. Those jealous ladies could have praised themselves without having to cut down what all Neerja did that day. Passengers aren't stupid and lying their teeth out to have praised Neerja. There must be a reason why she made the most impact on them and not the whiny bunch.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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There are multiple quotes here so I will just make one last post for all of them..
First of all.. nothing takes away this fact that Neerja was a brave young lady who lost her life at the hands of few evil minds. She deserves every bit of the praise and adulation she is getting. 👏

My point is there were many others who should have gotten same kind of adulation as Neerja got. If you make a story about only one person's bravery and keep other's in background then it does not remain as a true story. I say others were kept in background because I didn't even hear their names in the trailer or during promotions.

Yes I have read articles by survivors who give more credit to Neerja.. but that's human nature I guess. If they were helped by Neerja on the plane then they will give her credit. Also the fact that she didn't survive this ordeal gives her more attention.

For people who question why Neerja was the only one awarded Ashok Chakra.. usually Ashok Chakra is awarded to a fallen hero hence Neerja might have been the only one. And if others didn't get any bravery awards that should not be used as a proof that they didn't do enough. It's actually a huge injustice. I have read survival accounts and most importantly the trial transcript where credit was given to all the crew members. So IMO film makers should have shown more of them but I understand they also had to make a successful bollywood film and not a documentary. Wish someone would come forward and make one where we can see real events with all the people given their due credit..

I don't think any of the crew members will come forward with their story anymore because no matter what they will be called jealous and whiny bunch trying to take credit for Neerja's brave act all thanks to the makers who chose to keep them in the background..
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: purva

There are multiple quotes here so I will just make one last post for all of them..

First of all.. nothing takes away this fact that Neerja was a brave young lady who lost her life at the hands of few evil minds. She deserves every bit of the praise and adulation she is getting. 👏

My point is there were many others who should have gotten same kind of adulation as Neerja got. If you make a story about only one person's bravery and keep other's in background then it does not remain as a true story. I say others were kept in background because I didn't even hear their names in the trailer or during promotions.

Yes I have read articles by survivors who give more credit to Neerja.. but that's human nature I guess. If they were helped by Neerja on the plane then they will give her credit. Also the fact that she didn't survive this ordeal gives her more attention.

For people who question why Neerja was the only one awarded Ashok Chakra.. usually Ashok Chakra is awarded to a fallen hero hence Neerja might have been the only one. And if others didn't get any bravery awards that should not be used as a proof that they didn't do enough. It's actually a huge injustice. I have read survival accounts and most importantly the trial transcript where credit was given to all the crew members. So IMO film makers should have shown more of them but I understand they also had to make a successful bollywood film and not a documentary. Wish someone would come forward and make one where we can see real events with all the people given their due credit..

I don't think any of the crew members will come forward with their story anymore because no matter what they will be called jealous and whiny bunch trying to take credit for Neerja's brave act all thanks to the makers who chose to keep them in the background..





You have right to believe whatever you want but forum is for debate.


I agree with you about Ashok Chakra, they can't distribute to all. All passengers and crew members who lived those 16 hours are heroes. Around 20 passengers died in plane, but they had no way to survive, given a chance they would have escaped. They were victims and feel sad for them.


But, crew members had a chance to escape but they didn't leave their passengers on mercy of God. They stayed there for their passengers. Difference between other crew members and Neerja is after fighting this long battle along with Neerja, they got out safely and Neerja who contributed equally if not more in saving lives of people died. She had a chance to escape but she didn't. Others got their life as a gift and after loosing most precious thing 'life', Neerja got Ashok Chakra. Then why this jealousy?


If any of them has a story, they have every right to narrate and believe me people would respect their story, but without calling Neerja or anyone else as undeserving. No one would call them jealous if they maintain dignity.


Here is an example
http://www.missmalini.com/2016/02/22/a-panam-73-survivor-whose-mother-died-in-his-arms-has-a-message-for-everyone-after-watching-neerja/

Team Neerja is appreciating him.

Coming to film, this incident was almost forgotten. None from survivals made any attempt to remind people. It was Ram Madhvani who made an effort. They should be thankful that forgotten incident is in lime light through Neerja. They can't make a film covering all point, it would turn into a mess if they tried to cover everyone's point of view and audience wont be abble to connect with so many things going on. Watch Delhi 6 that how that film turned into a circus when they tried to cover every single thing. They have to narrate a story from point of view of one person. If you read any fictional novel there writers write point of view of one person. Who could be the better option than Neerja to narrate the story?

Neerja didn't ask anyone to keep quiet for 30 years. They had right to speak and narrate their struggle. They had an option to write a book on their struggle. They remained quiet for so long. Their wish. But, now when someone brought back Neerja on silver screen, better show little respect for your dead colleague and don't call her undeserving. If she was undeserving none from survivals would have praised her. The reason people calling Nupur jealous because of words used by her. She could have written her story without mentioning Neerja and people would have applauded for her. You don't need a film for that. That film is not putting Neerja's colleagues in bad light, in fact it's showing them as supportive. So, what is the problem?

Coming to film promoted on Neerja, it's biopic of Neerja. That hijack is an important part of her life, so it was important to show that part. I am sure Nupur is mature enough to know the meaning of biopic.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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The film in no way disrespects Neerja's colleagues ,it only shows good things about them.Now the film is titled Neerja, its a biopic, here its understandable that 70 percent focus will be on Neerja only. The other crew members could come back,neerja could'nt, now it's not Neerja's fault that she died, so why call her undeserving?So many people related to this hijack are speaking their stories now, and everyone is showing kindness interest and support. Nupur could easily share her part of story,she could do something when Neerja was awarded Ashoka Chakra, but she did'nt.So that makes it look like she is just craving for the attention now because the film is making NEERJA a well known name in every house. She is not seeing that the film also made people remember about the hijack, every crew member and pilots are also being appreciated.Why call NEERJA undeserving?Neerja's family could never get their lado back,at least Nupur returned to her mother safely.Is not that a bigger satisfaction than the awards and a film?Why try put down Neerja, she was her colleague and most probably friend,who died in front of her eyes, minimum respect is expected .

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