If you need to give Agnipareeksha for your self respect give it- Janak

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

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Posted: 10 years ago

#21

@DD feminism at extremes emerged because of subjudication. Women extremely subjudicated don't know the meaning of coexistence, because men have not tried to earn her trust

She is reacting, reacting violently to years of suppression. Questioning. But you need to understand to break the existing system some fire has to be burn.

Some men will have to stand up for the ladies. They too will have to walk hard path. Then we may have more equitable society tomorrow

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daydreamers

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Posted: 10 years ago

#22

Sorry replying in parts as typing from phone...

I see this whole thing of agnipariksha in the terms of 4 yugas...

Satyuga- the most pure one where ppl followed all rules...

Tretayuga- ppl did follow rules but lost it to ego, traditions and principles as ravana... Ram did kill ravana... But what happens when they return back? The dead ravana found place in the minds of ppl. Was ram able to conquer it? If u see sita's stand in this whole scenario is complex... Not b/w... She lost but she won... She went back to keep her Lord's reputation intact.. To get her sons' rights... She gave the test to preserve her self respect.. Even today, her name is taken in a positive light... Isn't this an achievement?

Cmn to ram's stand... Many feminists don't approve of his decision... But try to keep yourself in his place... Was it easy to choose one side? He could neither choose sita nor his subjects.. What would have happened if he would have chosen sita? We already have the 14 yrs exile example in front of us.. In ram's absence no one would have taken the responsibility of the throne. Once again all of them would have mourned as they did during the 14 yrs exile... Though ram chose his kingdom and let sita on exile... He also didn't leave her ( rem the soil dialogue, he said he shall always be present in her as hope,faith and strength)... It was never that a husband abandoned his wife... It was a king who abandoned the queen... This whole thing took place coz of the 'ravana' in the ppl's minds...

Even though I am very much moved by sita's character I can't help seeing ram"s side also...

Dwaparyuga- here the ravana that found place in the minds of the society seeped deeper into the family... As we see ppl of the same family in the fight... The family who insulted their daughter-in-law. Draupadi even though yagyaseni couldn't escape the agnipariksha.. But again her husbands also suffered with her... They ultimately got justice for her...

Kaliyug- if u c now... You'll find both societal+familial crimes... Ravana in the society and ravana in the family... And its not just women who are exploited... Even the men are... But feminism doesnt allow the society to see that...

As shruthi rightly pointed out the foundation of agnipariksha has weakened... Ppl today c siya gave agnipariksha because it was her fault... Because she was a woman...

But again ppl fail to see what ram would have been through this tym...

Again the agnipariksha sita gave after ravana's defeat... I want to c how is this portrayed in SKR... Can't it be that ram trusted her but didn't trust ravana?

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daydreamers

@daydreamers

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Posted: 10 years ago

#23

I agree shruthi...

But you know wat iss feminism ki aad me there are many women who misue this liberty...

There are many laws that are made in favor of women but there are many oversmart ones who don't respect it but use it to their benefit...

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daydreamers

@daydreamers

Sparkler

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Posted: 10 years ago

#24

As we had a log discussion on mandavi being a catalyst in inducing guilt and regret during the 14 yrs...

This role will be taken up by luv kush during sita's exile... As mandvi was unhappy with the wedding proposal and expressed her objection... This loop is going to continue in the uttarakand when ram listens to Ramayana from luv kush... As i had told ram is on a path of being janaka's reflection... It will be interesting how this fire in the future cleanses his soul...

This is very futuristic but the journey has started...

Edited by daydreamers - 10 years ago

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shruthiravi

@shruthiravi

Stunner

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Posted: 10 years ago

#25

@DD exploitation in the family is worst and here not only woman but man is also exploited. People love to give example of Ram-Sita. But as I put in the symbolism thread neither Ram nor Sita should be taken alone when it comes to family.

If somebody has to be Ram, there has to be Lakshman, Bharat and Shatrughna. Same if someone has to be Sita there has to be Urmila, Mandvi, Sruthakirti.

MIL has to be like Kausalya, even kaikeyi is fine as she repents, Sumitra.

Bringing Surpanakha and putting the garb of Kausalya and asking one to behave like Sita is madness

Same bringing some Ravan and making them Lakshman or Bharat cant make a man Ram.

But this is what happens. You put the accountability on one person's shoulders and then escape. Create guilt of moral obligation whether it is man or woman.

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daydreamers

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Sparkler

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Posted: 10 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: shruthiravi
@DD exploitation in the family is worst and here not only woman but man is also exploited. People love to give example of Ram-Sita. But as I put in the symbolism thread neither Ram nor Sita should be taken alone when it comes to family.
If somebody has to be Ram, there has to be Lakshman, Bharat and Shatrughna. Same if someone has to be Sita there has to be Urmila, Mandvi, Sruthakirti.

MIL has to be like Kausalya, even kaikeyi is fine as she repents, Sumitra.

Bringing Surpanakha and putting the garb of Kausalya and asking one to behave like Sita is madness
Same bringing some Ravan and making them Lakshman or Bharat cant make a man Ram.

But this is what happens. You put the accountability on one person's shoulders and then escape. Create guilt of moral obligation whether it is man or woman.

Word!!!!!!

You know that's how it is... Ram was tied with rajdharm but what about the family? What were they doing?

Ram-sita went on an exile... Agreed they had a tough time... But what about others?

Am loving SKR because of this very aspect... They are making a point to give justified space to every character...