Music--original or remix - Page 5

Originally posted by: Morning_Dew

See Lighty you are giving egs of these days songs where you don't find anything to improvise it. who knows what people would say after 30-40 years. 😊 They would probably still love the songs...!!!!

As for Himani when she sang full credit was given to original song .. and even then I personaly like original version better .. As for Amanat his case was entirely different original composer made changes in his own composition according to Amanat's capbilities it was already changed so can't say it is complete copy of original . 😊 Himani sang JDDJ and ended with alaap from Lagi tumse lagan also sung by RFAK in the movie "paap". It was perfect rendition by her and it was deifinitely a remix. How does giving credit to original artist make it better or worse. You are bringing up different issue altogether.

Well as for Maya maya again the credit was totally given to originals and composition was not changed and honestly I didn't like Mauli's version .. I simply can't stand her penetrating voice... however it is obviouse Muali's version become more popular cause many could see it with family 😉 Lolz dewey... Most raunchy remix videos are usualy not watchable with families and they are popular so what was the problem with original mayya mayya in the movie? Mauli peformed with the reqiuired oomph and throw and she did rearrange the vocals if you compare with the original.

See if they digitally remaster originals, a new fresh background score may be added to enhance the score which makes it a remix in a way. I think it is good way to enjoy old numbers with sharp and clear sound. some of the old recordings are really slow and dull and even though you may love it , the listening experience is not enjoyable as it should be since we are used to mp3 quality sound .

Originally posted by: lighthouse

See Lighty you are giving egs of these days songs where you don't find anything to improvise it. who knows what people would say after 30-40 years. 😊 They would probably still love the songs...!!!!

See that is our thinking and hope .. just the same my grandfather put his Saigal's record and expected all his grandchildren to like those song cause for him those were perect and immortal 😊

Originally posted by: lighthouse

As for Himani when she sang full credit was given to original song .. and even then I personaly like original version better .. As for Amanat his case was entirely different original composer made changes in his own composition according to Amanat's capbilities it was already changed so can't say it is complete copy of original . 😊 Himani sang JDDJ and ended with alaap from Lagi tumse lagan also sung by RFAK in the movie "paap". It was perfect rendition by her and it was deifinitely a remix. How does giving credit to original artist make it better or worse. You are bringing up different issue altogether.

Well as for Maya maya again the credit was totally given to originals and composition was not changed and honestly I didn't like Mauli's version .. I simply can't stand her penetrating voice... however it is obviouse Muali's version become more popular cause many could see it with family 😉 Lolz dewey... Most raunchy remix videos are usualy not watchable with families and they are popular so what was the problem with original mayya mayya in the movie? Mauli peformed with the reqiuired oomph and throw and she did rearrange the vocals if you compare with the original.

See if they digitally remaster originals, a new fresh background score may be added to enhance the score which makes it a remix in a way. I think it is good way to enjoy old numbers with sharp and clear sound. some of the old recordings are really slow and dull and even though you may love it , the listening experience is not enjoyable as it should be since we are used to mp3 quality sound .

To me if original composer is ok with it or atleast credit is given .also royalti etc it is ok , I may not like it but others do . However with out all this it is nothing but crime.

As for my personal taste .. I dont' like it cause to me it is total distortion of orignial music. To take inspiration is perfectly alright but use a song entirly like this, is something I can't digest ..plus those videos🤢

To make old song sound clear is ok but to add anything on top of it , not acceptable for me forget about replacing the lead singer altogather .

See the thing is back then without help of technology they tried to creat certain effect with available options and mostly through singer's voice which is a beauty and to replace it with some weird techno voice and wierd video simply doesn't provide any good experience atleast to me . I mean how can any one with true sense of music can enjoy a song sung with the help of technology rather than their own talent. Well if some one need fast number or fast tunes simply make new one ..the thing is true creation required true talent 😊

Originally posted by: Morning_Dew

See that is our thinking and hope .. just the same my grandfather put his Saigal's record and expected all his grandchildren to like those song cause for him those were perect and immortal 😊

See that credit to original composer is not different issue. Not giving any credit and presented a work as their own is a crime and if I take your own analogy about arts....crime can't be an art !!! 😊 Forgot? Imitation is a form of flattery.....😊to me it is simply not acceptable. As for paticular videos .. mostly of the time it is catchy tune that makes one song hit ..not only the tune but the improvisation.. i am sure nobody has heard kaliyon ka chaman original 😊old songs have that particular catchiness in themseleves and those remixers just cashed those catchiness (hardwork of someone else ) by adding some masal to target specific group of people Not really frankly if you tell me to watch an old movie or song it looks so out of place and time.. remixes are postioning these in teh current times...😊

To me if original composer is ok with it or atleast credit is given .also royalti etc it is ok , I may not like it but others do . However with out all this it is nothing but crime.the question is not if the legal conditions are met. the question should be is it novel or aethetically better ? And imitation is a form of flattery so is plagiarism... 😊

As for my personal taste .. I dont' like it cause to me it is total distortion of orignial music. Distortion if the music is vandalized like playing the song backwards on the lp... etc... or playing it in double time...To take inspiration is perfectly alright but use a song entirly like this, is something I can't digest ..plus those videos🤢 videos are for the guys... how would u know for once you like to watch melodies and rhythm... than just listening to them..😆

To make old song sound clear is ok but to add anything on top of it , not acceptable for me forget about replacing the lead singer altogather .t-series remakes were bad..... since the singer Anuradha paudawal couldnt bring in the same melodies like the original...Its like Grandpa wearing torn jeans - would you criticize him of smile at his adaptibility?😊

See the thing is back then without help of technology they tried to creat certain effect with available options and mostly through singer's voice which is a beauty and to replace it with some weird techno voice and wierd video simply doesn't provide any good experience atleast to me . I mean how can any one with true sense of music can enjoy a song sung with the help of technology rather than their own talent. Well if some one need fast number or fast tunes simply make new one ..the thing is true creation required true talent 😊the bad part too often, we put things on a pedestal whether the music was produced by hitting the vessels or producing sound on synth... the latter is always better... nevertheless its all music......dont idolize just listen...For eg... lyrics like "Crazy kiya re" are so terrible, a poet would just prefer jumping in a well than pen such lyrics... yet if you listen to that song its really beautiful besides being trendy...😊

Originally posted by: Morning_Dew

Ok now I remember by seeing your points ..with whome I had this debate before 😆😆😆

ok..... 😆😆😆

See old compositions have their own flavour ..whenever we listen to those it is not only music or tune that matters .. it is the way an artist conveyed it ,the way original creator made an artist to convey his\her art. I don't know if those music director would approve such remixes or not . it feel to me like if one add more colors to "mona lisa" because colors used were yellowish and she would look better to some with added lip color and blush etc. 😆 no its more like taking the monalisa and transforming it into an holographic image... to give a 3-d effect.....

To me if music director approves such remixes ..than it is ok other wise it is a kind of crime. we are not talking about the legal issue here..I dont know if they pay any kind of royalty to orginal singers ,music directors and lyricists or their families.all this not part of aethetics.....😊

As for visuals .. come on .. most of such visuals are nice to male specie of particular age and ofcourse marital status has strong influence on it too .. on top of it if they have kids and even if they are in early 20s forget about it 😛😆 species!!!!!!??? what are you talking about dinosaurs and ice age...😆

Be realistic such remixes cant' be enjoyed with family.. its how you look at it... i know i had watched the kaanta laga with a family where the granny was reading through a book and suddenly started watching the video when she heard... "kaanta lagaaa.........." we became veri conscious... but she said it has a good rhythm....but all said I know most videos are bad........agreed on that....

As for fast beat and rythm .. well why not make new compositions rather than distorting preexisted one. To me such remixes are made mostly to make easy money on some one else's hard work. You know this is times of fast food... people dont stop to wait and listen - by giving them familiar composition it atleast gets a quick ear from such people... its fast times now....😊

Yes I agree with Sareg on point that with remixes old songs reappear.. but I would rather suggest to digitaly remaster the original track and make new video on those compositions rather making a remix .. and yes .. no indecent videoes plzzzzzz digital remastering is pathetic and is more pathetic in india and sure its the same in parkistan as well... Do they even know wht and how to do it!!!?... i myself didnt like the revival effort of Asha bhosale...

Originally posted by: Morning_Dew

See that credit to original composer is not different issue. Not giving any credit and presented a work as their own is a crime and if I take your own analogy about arts....crime can't be an art !!! 😊 to me it is simply not acceptable. As for paticular videos .. mostly of the time it is catchy tune that makes one song hit ..old songs have that particular catchiness in themseleves and those remixers just cashed those catchiness (hardwork of someone else ) by adding some masal to target specific group of people . Dewey , you are bringing up copyright issue which is not the topic of the debate but nevertheless when we see or hear remixes, it is evident that it is not original.😛 and never presented as original .

To me if original composer is ok with it or atleast credit is given .also royalti etc it is ok , I may not like it but others do . However with out all this it is nothing but crime.

As for my personal taste .. I dont' like it cause to me it is total distortion of orignial music. To take inspiration is perfectly alright but use a song entirly like this, is something I can't digest ..plus those videos🤢 Ahaa.. speaking of digest, I remember one instance when someone refered to chinese fried rice as mutter pulao with soy sauce..!!!!😆 My point is, everything is improvised and made into a fusion food, fashion,art and music. why do you have a problem with music?

To make old song sound clear is ok but to add anything on top of it , not acceptable for me forget about replacing the lead singer altogather .

See the thing is back then without help of technology they tried to creat certain effect with available options and mostly through singer's voice which is a beauty and to replace it with some weird techno voice and wierd video simply doesn't provide any good experience atleast to me . I mean how can any one with true sense of music can enjoy a song sung with the help of technology rather than their own talent. Well if some one need fast number or fast tunes simply make new one ..the thing is true creation required true talent 😊 I know. I don't like music with hip hop techno voices but not all of the remixes are like that. as qwerty pointed out, kaanta laga, sajna hai muje etc are actually enjoyable with some jazz and instrumental affect added to it. Kaaliyon ka chaman original version was unheard of , probably because of Lata's screachy voice on that day perhaps she was having a bad singing day.

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

Rightly said Qwertoo..Some of the remix singers sound better today then if you were to listen to same old songs by Shamshad begum or noorjehan. The pronounciation is more current.

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

.. nevertheless its all music......dont idolize just listen...For eg... lyrics like "Crazy kiya re" are so terrible, a poet would just prefer jumping in a well than pen such lyrics... yet if you listen to that song its really beautiful besides being trendy...😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

See that credit to original composer is not different issue. Not giving any credit and presented a work as their own is a crime and if I take your own analogy about arts....crime can't be an art !!! 😊 Forgot? Imitation is a form of flattery.....😊to me it is simply not acceptable. As for paticular videos .. mostly of the time it is catchy tune that makes one song hit ..not only the tune but the improvisation.. i am sure nobody has heard kaliyon ka chaman original 😊old songs have that particular catchiness in themseleves and those remixers just cashed those catchiness (hardwork of someone else ) by adding some masal to target specific group of people Not really frankly if you tell me to watch an old movie or song it looks so out of place and time.. remixes are postioning these in teh current times...😊

To me if original composer is ok with it or atleast credit is given .also royalti etc it is ok , I may not like it but others do . However with out all this it is nothing but crime.the question is not if the legal conditions are met. the question should be is it novel or aethetically better ? And imitation is a form of flattery so is plagiarism... 😊

Ok Qwerts it is my last post on this topic . I agree Imitation is flattery and that is what cotestant of reality shows do.. another eg is Lata's shardhanjili to great singers.

As for remixes you are not the only person who like it and I am not the only who hate it . As you said it question is about aesthetic now what would be the criteria .. who is going to decide it which is aesthically better .. people who like it or those who don't.. May be time would be the best judge rather than us ..

Current trend is that 10 companies launch same song in one week time period .. remixes of remixes are now in circulation . Unfortunately singers who are singing those songs are not well recognized even after great success of remixes as "Kliyon ka chaman" where some teens , I interacted with thought meghna naidu is a great singer !!!!

I am not against fusion ........ as lighty give a very good eg related to food . I would see it like this ..if you dont change the ingredient at all it will taste same and great whatever you say it it would be recognized by its origin. .. even if you adopt certain food and change them according to your own taste it is also creation of something new where some changes are make from one recepie and some from pre existed one ..but no one put soya sause in traditional chicken qorma , it simply doesn't taste good neither smell good . no one wear bikini over a sari it would look weird and it is certainly not a fusion ..same thing is music foreign beats have been adopted by good music directors they incorporated it in our desi music to produce good music ..new creation ..ofcourse .. inspiration is also another different issue you take inspiration and creat some thing out of it where original may be a part yet can't be inseparable from new creation... "Itna na mujh se tu piyar badha" -inspired by mozart symphony

http://youtube.com/watch?v=mChJmHWLpII

Inta na mujhe : http://youtube.com/watch?v=Gm3VWb8PLf0

"Ye dil na hota bechara" -inspired by theme song of the bridge on the river kawi,

Theme song : http://youtube.com/watch?v=WD1OqjY829I

Ye dil na hota: http://youtube.com/watch?v=4uTdB3Gwwfs

Mayya mayya -a turkish folk . and they are certainly very much different from remixes.

plagiarism... is a different issue Idon't put it either in remix or imitation . yes it is really hard to put a line between inspiration and plagiarism. however there is certainly a limit where original creator didn't consider it flattery and drag it to court .. as Bappi lahri did with turth hurts.

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

😊the bad part too often, we put things on a pedestal whether the music was produced by hitting the vessels or producing sound on synth... the latter is always better... nevertheless its all music......dont idolize just listen...For eg... lyrics like "Crazy kiya re" are so terrible, a poet would just prefer jumping in a well than pen such lyrics... yet if you listen to that song its really beautiful besides being trendy...😊

It is not I dont like any fast number .. If I like old Lata , geeta dut , noorjahan at the same time I enjoy Hamma hamma, das bahane, kajrare, mayya mayya . these may fall under fusion music , or inspired yet they are original in a sense and cant' be called remix.

Nice post Dewey. Love Mozzart and again in Hindi.😛 I enjoy the remixes without worrying about the business of remixes.

Bikini over saree reminded me of Superman wearing underwear over his pants.😆 In fact will probably see a lot of young kids as Superman on the 31st-- halloween.🤪