Those Who Think It's Not Nepotism/ Favoritism| VB Note p6 - Page 7

Originally posted by: Wings-of-Fire

You're telling me that India is so limited in talent that the writers couldn't find anything to write about that they went back to those 15 year old stories that they've tried on other shows? Let me rephrase it, you want to tell me that the writers couldn't find any interesting stories to copy ideas from if they didn't have anything new? Or that the story of a couple ends when they are in love? The Conflict of a story doesn't have to be literal. Life of a normal couple is tough enough without the 'Shagun' element to generate conflict and interesting enough for people (case in point: neighbors! They're always interested in what's going on in life of other neighbors!😆) to watch it.

I guess we'd have to agree to disagree.

Originally posted by: Wings-of-Fire

For days I've been reading about how this drastic downfall of YHM and Shagun becoming the center of the universe has got nothing to do with nepotism/favoritism and how this always happened in past BT shows. I simply want to ask this: since when does YHM have anything common with those despicable, regressive BT shows? What qualifies YHM to be compared to those bull shits? This isn't 2005 anymore, it's 2015 and before this past two weeks YHM had one of the best positive story lines.

Let's say that YHM is just another BT show that was bound to get ruined in the hands of the villain. But in those BT shows people give examples of, the villains were an integral part of the story. They weren't forced in the story. What qualifies Shagun as the omnipresent villain who is necessary for the story? She isn't a family member you can't kick out, she isn't your powerful business rival you can't defeat, she isn't someone you have a soft corner for who's got a secret vendetta against you. Shagun's necessity in the storyline ended the day Adi refused to acknowledge her as his mother. The villain of YHM is Ashok, it's not Shagun. So, why do you think that suddenly YHM started spinning around orbit Shagun? Why do you think they didn't care about sacrificing their own hero to forcefully fit her in the story? Why would those who advocated for infertile women and their struggle suddenly insult the issue and turn it into a joke? If it's not nepotism/favoritism, I don't know what it is.

Originally posted by: --Megha--

Sorry to butt in I know u both were having a discussion but just wanted to answer this. How I look at it. Again we might agree to disagree. 😳 No Hardfeelings.

@bold - the problem is not that these writers are talented or not, problem is what sells.

Y does a show like SSK generates top trps when others like Crime patrol (daily show) with good acting, good story and good direction doesnt. Or Even Yudh (Creative director Anurag Kashyap n Star Amitabh Bachchan) which had good story n acting but did not attract audience (it got 0.2 TRP 😆).

The major moot-point is Majority of people prefer watching SSK coz of jaadu tona, black magic, witch hunt, nagin kind of stories. Heck looking at SSK's success Ekta is getting another show called Naagin on Colors for making money. 😆

So Y YHM's story has been compromised after 7.30 slot? Simply coz SP sees it as an opportunity to outgrow Colors with SSK at the same slot. So PH gets illogical tracks but they were afraid of going totally BT way so they used to show glimpses of original Ishra character.

I will keep Shagun out of the dynamics, yet I dont think Ishra have behaved like a normal couple.

My reasons are they never Talk or discuss about what their aspirations are or what do they want out of life. Every time CVs end up showing either of them tackling some or other family problem or hiding stuff from each other coz they dont want to hurt the other. This ends up in misunderstandings which CVs in the end never sort out with their Elusive Talk.

I am listing missed out opportunities-

Mani Track - we all agree ending was not justified to what happened

Divorce track - Raman was running away, Ishita got him back but never questioned him y did he wanted to Divorce in the first place, that issue was as usual brushed under the carpet by CVs.

Child Swap Track- they got both the kids in the end but never discussed where they went wrong and how to go about things together as a parent. They finally managed that bit in Adi Vinni track.

Rinky Mihir Mihika track - Raman asked her to get out n she goes to her mother's place. Toshiji then comes begging to Ishita to fix Rinky's life, Ishita does that. After that there was absolutely no Talk about what exactly happened n how they should work as a team for fixing things up, in fact it ended in Confession. Usually such serious matters in real life cannot be neglected and need to be sorted out.

Ishra Baby Track- This couple never talked about how to plan for a Baby. CVs clearly showed consummation for Baby. I am ignoring the part where they mocked infertility in women but they did not bother showing Why Ishita wanted a Baby? What her fears were, how Raman helps her overcome her fears of carrying a child etc. Even after the baby died, Ishita n Raman still havent sat down n thought of what to do next with respect to having a baby in future with the recent loss.

In all the above major tracks we never got a version of what Ishita and Raman want with their marriage, their dreams of their baby. They did not consummate their marriage out of love, it was to satisfy Ruhi's demands for baby and because Shagun n Ashok had made them jealous. 😕 Its like CVs use reverse psychology when it comes to Ishra's own story.

Most of the time CVs like to show them sacrificing their happiness over family, them devoting their time in solving Rinky, Simmi n Romi's or sometimes even Mihika's problems. The only times when they actually showed this couple talking was during anniversary where Ishita said she is complete or recent rain scene where they had a semi Talk regarding the lost child.

N with all this when they add Shagun it just becomes any other run of the mill BT Soap. They keep on rinse watch repeat their old tracks to drag the serial for eternity.

From whatever I have seen of BT's serials in the past their trademark is-

-Sacrificing Female lead (sometimes Male lead sacrifices for family).

-Scheming vamp who most of the times wins n loses only in the end.

-Male lead keeps on making mistakes which female lead keeps on forgiving.

-Vamp fakes goodness to trap one of the gullible leads.

Some of the Typical BT tracks they showed in YHM are-

Sautan sagas.

Heroine winning running race with the vamp (they were trying to copy Saathiya then in absurdity 😆)

Earthquake track - full of drama n in the end everyone rejoiced Ishita saving Adi. For TRP Aunties it increases their curiosity to watch such dramatic tracks.

Subbu track- Hero's sister hanging from the building, hero n heroine saving the day. This particular track they were confused how to present (TRP Audience vs Loyal audience) but in the end they concluded with drama which caters to TRP Audience.

Recent speed track- TRP Aunties were curious to know what will happen next.

Similarly current Rinki murder mystery track will interest TRP audience n if Shagun is exposed in Fake surrogacy then that will get them good TRPs.

In all of the above Makers made sure that they gave TRP Audience what they wanted but they kind of compensated Loyal Audience's expectations with romance or good tracks like Family Feud, Adi Parenting etc. Every track might end in absurdity in the end but got saved by good acting by leads n other supporting cast.

Again I am not defending BT, SP by saying what they r doing is right or wrong. Just trying to put my POV why they are doing so.

Yes Shagun is not required in the story but if they take Shagun out they will get another Vamp who will create tension between Ishra (like they had done with Rinky in betwen). Indian serial stereotypes villains n because most of the audience is females they relate to Female vamps. Every serial (TRP top 5) from SSK to Saathiya to KKB has a female vamp in form of Saas, Sautan or Nanad.

Some times they have multiple vamps scheming against a single female lead at the same time.

CVs think they can play with Ishita's insecurities using Shagun. That is the reason they are trying to show Raman teaming up with her now for surrogacy. It is completely opposite to what his character was last year when he didnt even wanted to enter his bedrook when Shagun was sleeping on his bed.

The only reason they keep on adding Shagun in picture is because she can create drama in Ishra life.

Originally posted by: --Megha--

Sorry to butt in I know u both were having a discussion but just wanted to answer this. How I look at it. Again we might agree to disagree. 😳 No Hardfeelings.

@bold - the problem is not that these writers are talented or not, problem is what sells.

Y does a show like SSK generates top trps when others like Crime patrol (daily show) with good acting, good story and good direction doesnt. Or Even Yudh (Creative director Anurag Kashyap n Star Amitabh Bachchan) which had good story n acting but did not attract audience (it got 0.2 TRP 😆).

The major moot-point is Majority of people prefer watching SSK coz of jaadu tona, black magic, witch hunt, nagin kind of stories. Heck looking at SSK's success Ekta is getting another show called Naagin on Colors for making money. 😆

So Y YHM's story has been compromised after 7.30 slot? Simply coz SP sees it as an opportunity to outgrow Colors with SSK at the same slot. So PH gets illogical tracks but they were afraid of going totally BT way so they used to show glimpses of original Ishra character.

I will keep Shagun out of the dynamics, yet I dont think Ishra have behaved like a normal couple.

My reasons are they never Talk or discuss about what their aspirations are or what do they want out of life. Every time CVs end up showing either of them tackling some or other family problem or hiding stuff from each other coz they dont want to hurt the other. This ends up in misunderstandings which CVs in the end never sort out with their Elusive Talk.

I am listing missed out opportunities-

Mani Track - we all agree ending was not justified to what happened

Divorce track - Raman was running away, Ishita got him back but never questioned him y did he wanted to Divorce in the first place, that issue was as usual brushed under the carpet by CVs.

Child Swap Track- they got both the kids in the end but never discussed where they went wrong and how to go about things together as a parent. They finally managed that bit in Adi Vinni track.

Rinky Mihir Mihika track - Raman asked her to get out n she goes to her mother's place. Toshiji then comes begging to Ishita to fix Rinky's life, Ishita does that. After that there was absolutely no Talk about what exactly happened n how they should work as a team for fixing things up, in fact it ended in Confession. Usually such serious matters in real life cannot be neglected and need to be sorted out.

Ishra Baby Track- This couple never talked about how to plan for a Baby. CVs clearly showed consummation for Baby. I am ignoring the part where they mocked infertility in women but they did not bother showing Why Ishita wanted a Baby? What her fears were, how Raman helps her overcome her fears of carrying a child etc. Even after the baby died, Ishita n Raman still havent sat down n thought of what to do next with respect to having a baby in future with the recent loss.

In all the above major tracks we never got a version of what Ishita and Raman want with their marriage, their dreams of their baby. They did not consummate their marriage out of love, it was to satisfy Ruhi's demands for baby and because Shagun n Ashok had made them jealous. 😕 Its like CVs use reverse psychology when it comes to Ishra's own story.

Most of the time CVs like to show them sacrificing their happiness over family, them devoting their time in solving Rinky, Simmi n Romi's or sometimes even Mihika's problems. The only times when they actually showed this couple talking was during anniversary where Ishita said she is complete or recent rain scene where they had a semi Talk regarding the lost child.

N with all this when they add Shagun it just becomes any other run of the mill BT Soap. They keep on rinse watch repeat their old tracks to drag the serial for eternity.

From whatever I have seen of BT's serials in the past their trademark is-

-Sacrificing Female lead (sometimes Male lead sacrifices for family).

-Scheming vamp who most of the times wins n loses only in the end.

-Male lead keeps on making mistakes which female lead keeps on forgiving.

-Vamp fakes goodness to trap one of the gullible leads.

Some of the Typical BT tracks they showed in YHM are-

Sautan sagas.

Heroine winning running race with the vamp (they were trying to copy Saathiya then in absurdity 😆)

Earthquake track - full of drama n in the end everyone rejoiced Ishita saving Adi. For TRP Aunties it increases their curiosity to watch such dramatic tracks.

Subbu track- Hero's sister hanging from the building, hero n heroine saving the day. This particular track they were confused how to present (TRP Audience vs Loyal audience) but in the end they concluded with drama which caters to TRP Audience.

Recent speed track- TRP Aunties were curious to know what will happen next.

Similarly current Rinki murder mystery track will interest TRP audience n if Shagun is exposed in Fake surrogacy then that will get them good TRPs.

In all of the above Makers made sure that they gave TRP Audience what they wanted but they kind of compensated Loyal Audience's expectations with romance or good tracks like Family Feud, Adi Parenting etc. Every track might end in absurdity in the end but got saved by good acting by leads n other supporting cast.

Again I am not defending BT, SP by saying what they r doing is right or wrong. Just trying to put my POV why they are doing so.

Yes Shagun is not required in the story but if they take Shagun out they will get another Vamp who will create tension between Ishra (like they had done with Rinky in betwen). Indian serial stereotypes villains n because most of the audience is females they relate to Female vamps. Every serial (TRP top 5) from SSK to Saathiya to KKB has a female vamp in form of Saas, Sautan or Nanad.

Some times they have multiple vamps scheming against a single female lead at the same time.

CVs think they can play with Ishita's insecurities using Shagun. That is the reason they are trying to show Raman teaming up with her now for surrogacy. It is completely opposite to what his character was last year when he didnt even wanted to enter his bedrook when Shagun was sleeping on his bed.

The only reason they keep on adding Shagun in picture is because she can create drama in Ishra life.

Originally posted by: KK84

Why can't a surrogacy be using ishita's egg and Raman's sperm but just that Dhagun is carrying the child for them. Isn't that what has happened?

I am not up to date...if they did that Raman had to get jiggy with shagun then what's the difference in ishita being mother to shagun's other kids and now this child. I am confused.

Originally posted by: --Megha--

@Savz -

I will not go into Personal equations of actor n producer as I dont know them personally n I dont know to what extent they interfere.

I agree with u that after a certain point Vamps are not required after their story has served purpose.

Whatever I wrote was about what CVs think or What channel thinks. Y did they chose Shagun to be the surrogate and not any other woman? Coz they want To damage /chaLlenge (create drama in) Ishra Relationship. If it was some other person, Ishita wud have got heartbreak of only Raman going behind her back with Surrogacy, but now he involved Shagun. It is worst of a kind of insult to any woman. Ishra relationship will never break because they have different personalities and difference of opinion. It will break or will be challegend because of external factors always n what better option than Shagun who is not only Raman's first love but also mother of his kids, it adds to Ishita's insecurities of losing Raman n kids too if they see a changed Shagun. This is how they want to create drama, TRP Audience will wait to know what will happen next whether Ishita Raman break up or not. Even if Ishita Raman break up TRP Audience will be curious to know how they meet again? Maybe CVs might even go back to Ishita n Raman's original character arc (11pm) that we saw in the beginning of serial n recreate their Love story again.

I am not trying to say that this track is right or even defend Raman character or Shagun character saying they are Right, just trying to convey what CVs think or how they r going about this track. I myself dont like surrogacy track n I never wanted Ishra to try for surrogacy (with any one else too) as they already have two children.