Down the rabbit hole- TSM

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I admit, have watched hindi soaps for a long time and i shouldn't be shocked. But the india around me has done a 180 since i first started watching serials and yet the content of hindi serials have not changed one bit. they're all new and yet taste the exact same. ott acting, ott drama, stories that constantly lose sight of its vision and mission in order to stretch its timeline and gather them mythic trps. all these coming from people who are creatively educated intellectuals in the field. I wonder what would happen if all these intellectuals decided enough! they were ALL going to maintain their intellectual integrity and show what they wanted to show- a good story instead of compromise their capabilities and writing integrity for the sake of TRPs? would the TRP audience who lust after mindless crap stop watching tv or will they be forced to adjust their tastes? tv actors rarely succeed in films, why? cos films give no coping time, films don't grow on you- its a hit or miss, films (unless your from a khandaan) run on stories that need to be good or entertaining- it can't be bad AND take itself seriously, films don't have the luxury to slack off and forget its roots. TV actors are ill-equipped to deal with films, it doesn't work for them and they don't work for it. this show when it started was genuine and so far had remained so, i found the characters simple, sophisticated, subtle and believable- whether it was the brash brat amaya mathur or the softened by situation amaya mathur; responsible and determined in her goals yet flexible and molding herself into whatever her family needed. I believed sneha's struggle for her husband's integrity, her stern love and guidance for her children. i believed in Uma and Mantu's friendship and filial love if not romantic love, a bond that took them through thick and thin, no matter what she'd never hurt mantu just as mantu can't even think of hurting her. where have all these characters gone?
lets start with this current sneha, i don't even recognize her. she was the smart sophisticated philosopher of a successful man like rishi mathur, where has that woman gone? she raised three wonderful children and they were her confidence, she is the one who instilled their value system, it wasn't only rishi...then where is her faith in her values gone? gone is the sneha who taught her children to face their situation, fight and win. replaced by this weakling who can't even face upto her own truth, whose seeking a man's (her father) shelter so desperately that she's willing to compromise with her own principles and understanding of the world, a world she's seen much more of than her father, outside his circle of comfort and power, she's seen struggle- bohrivali to bandra to malabar hills can't have been an easy journey with a child in tow. she didn't raise her children to be religious but she did raise them to be compassionate, she didn't raise her children to be blindly obedient but to question when their principals are being attacked, she didn't raise children to wear salwar suit she raised them to wear their form of self-expression- she gave them values that matter, values that make them degrade themselves to prevent their grandfather's self-respect being harmed. now that mother has become so desperate in her need to hide her torrid past that she's making her children question every value they've been raised with? she says she needs to prevent rishi's family from breaking apart, by doing what? boxing away the value system rishi passed onto his children and replacing it with this new value system of GC that she herself ran away from? rishi lives on in his children, may be not in all of their blood but in their values, in their fierce determination and independent thinking, in their struggle and victories, in their care and confidence and indeed even in their petulant stubbornness and questioning the norms around them. what would be the point of all this struggle if rishi doesn't exist in his children anymore, if his values are replaced with GC's, even in practice if not at heart?

Coming to amaya, whats happened to amu? what happened to superman's supergirl? i thought amaya mathur jo ek baar thaan leti hain woh karke dikhati hain? i didnt know that leaving immaturity behind meant becoming a cry baby playing silly games in the name of love and destiny. i didn't know mellowing down meant forgetting how to stand up for ones love. i didn't know becoming grounded meant you had to become superstitious and silly. has she really matured or exchanged one type of immaturity for another? is love a joke on tv? something that is immature and can never work? who is she trying to test here? destiny, her faith in mahadev or mantu? does life, destiny, mahadev owe her anything? no. they don't. they were there before her and will go on LONG after her. they can aid, there are 7 billion other people to aid as well, they can't hand you your share of happiness. your the only one that can step forward and extend your hand towards happiness, not only for yourself but for the person who loves you. or is this a test for her love or mantu's love? isn't trust and keeping faith in your own and the other person's feelings the first step of love, especially now that she knows mantu loves her? she's not only playing with her own life and feelings and happiness but his as well! and to prove what to whom? uma? who is she to provide explanations to? for what? some thrill? love makes us go to extents we can't even imagine FOR our loved ones happiness! not to ruin their happiness! when your in love, you unconsciously start making the smallest and the biggest of sacrifices without even blinking or noticing just to make your loved one happy. you knowingly do things that compromise you for the other person's happiness. its not about being mahan and sacrificing, when your in love, it doesn't even feel like an insane sacrifice, it seems like the most natural reaction in the world. then how can destiny, some promise to an insignificant third person, some test and game be more important than mantu's happiness to amu? i understand that this is to create titilating romance and fake unrealistic passion onscreen, but is it really that important to create artificial romance through ridiculous situations that demean the very meaning of love? this amaya i don't even know! and why has her wardrobe undergone such a huge change? in order to be the 'good' lead of a serial you need to be the salwar suit type?!? she was my fave tv heroine, genuinely, i felt amaya- i was amu. we changed for different reasons but i could feel her but now...i just can relate to her! and that 3 year contract...what nonsense?

Finally Uma. she was vapid, she was possessive, she was arrogant and wrong. but i admired her fighting spirit. if mantu and chiklu made it against all odds, then she played a huge role in it. i trusted that no matter what, her friendship would win over all. that her love, respect and friendship for mantu was as unconditional as his was for her. that she loved chiklu like a mother, unconditionally and without expectation. she doesn't love chiklu like a mother or a sister, she loves herself more than she loves mantu as a lover or as a friend. i didn't mind her fighting for mantu's affection but now that she knows mantu's life lies with amu's affections, how can she play with his feelings? i was wrong, as i knew i would be, but still it disappoints me more than even amu, why? because uma has been the witness to mantu's life struggle, she's seen him lose everything and live only for his brother and for her as well, without a moment spared for his own happiness. for the first time he's asked for happiness for himself, she can give him that, she can give him amaya, and still that didn't effect her in the slightest? people get attached to happiness and sadness of their dogs and uma couldn't attach herself to mantu's happiness? wouldnt it be the biggest victory of her love if she would be the one to give mantu the one happiness he's prayed for, for himself? I'm coming at this from an emotional angle, lets take a rational approach- for every love story that happens, for every two people who fall in love, theres atleast one person whose love remains unrequited, if they all went crazy and tried to 'get' their love at any cost, people would start fearing being loved! i think more than anything I'm disappointed with the cvs. they managed to sustain a great show with wonderful characters only to turn to TRP tricks after a 100+ episodes. like every other show, i guess its now TSM's turn to lose sight of its vision and mission at the altar of TRPs. Sad, it was so genuinely brilliant.

PS: Bring RamTu and RaRa back please. This story needs some relief, otherwise its a dragging ott drama without a break.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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I cmptly agree with u.. they hav ruined the original concept of tsm... and literally changed evry character ... esp sneha and amaya..im shocked with amayas character ...wt attracted me to tsm was the lead amaya... her never to give up attitude...unique frm all the sp leads... no salwar-saree or kurta girl... bt a girl with a western out;look and attire...very much depicting the modern yet valued girls of our Indian society...her attire is slowly changing... ok no problem with that... but why are girls wearing western clothes perceived as uncultured??? Cant she wear her normal clothes wich she alwys worn? Dresses and pants????(no offence to anyone) but i wuld say that girls wearing western clothes are equally cultured and respectful... so pls get back amayas original attire... unlike other so leads..even if she loves mantu... mantu wdnt hav a problem with that coz he fell in love with her nature.. coming to her attitude ..u are right shes giving stupid and silly promisies to one local chipkali uma.. who is she???????? Ur absolutely right she dsnt deserve any explanations... ..paris returned falls in the trap of one khao kasam girl... this is disgusting and sick...and its bcome no rara or ramtu but only umas kundali drama and her kismet... sorry to say bt main ppl like manya rara ramtu jazz even rudra are ignored but only umaaa... trps are bound to fall... we want our amaya mathur paris returned wid attitude of never to give up back... she cant wait for promises...to happen
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I think since they moved the time slot, the story gad taken a 360 turn. Its changed fron TSM to GC ancient times.
Even Amaya and Richete who used to wear her lovely clothes has changed to Salwar suits.
I know the girls have freedom but its not to much and its in keeping with Amaya coming from Paris and Mumbai and adjusting to life now.
Why now does GC want to makehis daughter and grandchildren to stay at home and not work.
But what does he mean thst GC house is not run on his daughters money.

Sneha really needs to stand up to her father and bring up her daughters, the way she and Rishi did after all they are yjd Mathurs.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Pams1234

I think since they moved the time slot, the story gad taken a 360 turn. Its changed fron TSM to GC ancient times.

Even Amaya and Richete who used to wear her lovely clothes has changed to Salwar suits.
I know the girls have freedom but its not to much and its in keeping with Amaya coming from Paris and Mumbai and adjusting to life now.
Why now does GC want to makehis daughter and grandchildren to stay at home and not work.
But what does he mean thst GC house is not run on his daughters money.

Sneha really needs to stand up to her father and bring up her daughters, the way she and Rishi did after all they are yjd Mathurs.


@bold -- timeslot changes are always blah when it comes to the storyline. another prime example I can think of is YHM. It went to shit after it changed to a 7:30 timeslot from an 11 pm slot. It's slowly regaining its footing. So maybe TSM will as well.

And I don't really agree with Amaya wearing salwars is her adjusting. Her adjusting would be wearing something like stylish kurti's or longer dresses or whatever. Not straight salwars imo. I doubt she'd ever worn salwars before.

To TM: Hi Teju, nice to see you here 😆

Regarding your post, idk. Although Sneha is coming across as a weakling, I actually see it as believable? From the very beginning of the show, it always seemed like Rishi was the backbone of the family. It was through him Sneha derived her confidence and happiness. So when he was alive, she was exuberant and confident. After his death, she was sullen and a weakling for a really long time. She was just sad, not just emotionally but like just when you see her actions, they were so sad. What action did she really take? For me, she was too fixated on getting Hari out so he could help them out. Did she take an initiative to get a job or something? Also, if I'm remmerbing correcting, she also wasn't *strong* infront of Chaubey initially. She didn't want to be seen by him I think? So she's always kinda been a weakling for me who relies heavily on others. Like even during Dev (her past), who knows what she would've done had Rishi not shown up and saved the day. She was spoilt like heck growing up. Tbh, I was kinda disappointed with her, I wanted to see her facing her life without Rishi and learning to struggle and grow (kinda like Amu -- except I find Sneha more likeable than Amu prob because Gautami is a MUCH better actor). So yeah, not too disappointed by her fear of Dev and what he'll do to her family.

Also, Uma's turn is also *kinda* foreseeable. You said it yourself, Uma is possesive as helll. Even when Amu-Mantu didn't like each other, she was still jealous of Amaya and wanted her to remain away from Mantu so he could stay with her only. So to me, her change isn't too drastic. Possessiveness makes the most sane people irrationally and Uma wasn't the most sane anyway 😆

But yeah agree with you on the whole general show is becoming too cliche/ dramatic without a cause.
Edited by lovely_lady - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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there is nothing more to add...i completely agree with you...
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I totally agree with you. they are giving undue importance for stupid tracks and characters, that do nothing for the movement of the story. that baba was really not required nor this superstition track. they have murdered a wonderful character like amaya by making her stoop to school girlish vows and games with the maha stupid uma.
how can anybody steal love or feelings. this pyaar cheena kya hota hai?
you can posses somebody body by force but how can you posses ones heart and love and feelings.

i really wish TV serials could get over this particular track. its happening on almost every channel. and all the top shows, is this all they can come up with in the name of creativity, or they really don't understand the meaning of originality,

even if the cv have something original they will adulterate it with such stale tracks, like snatchy best friends, old fashion ideas grandfathers. who serve no apparent purpose other then putting us to sleep.

i started watching this show, because it was fresh, amaya mantu chemistry, even those two episodes with amaya and chikloo were so entertaining, fun and cute. uma's bindaas attitude where she beat up goons and then took them to the hospital, mantu, rama bromance, the chai pe charcha, the ladies tailor and his shayari. so many interesting characters have either been forgotten or sidelined.

it just seems that the CV have lost the entire plot.


Edited by merrydock - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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This is the common problem of every serial!
But just like you I hoped this would be different. As the story started with a different story-------a fall of a business tycoon.
At first my favorite character was Sneha. But as soon as the story stared to run Sneha turned stupid every day and now I hate her . Then I started to think in opposite way.

Characters like her do exist in our society. Woman who has no idea what is going on with her husband. When husband dies she runs for the help of other man. Depends on leeches like Rudra more and less to her own flesh and blood . As they are girls. She starts wasting money . There is a thing called "BANK". Which doesn't only give loans -----------but they also have a thing called ---------INVESTMENT. If she made some savings in bank she and her family wouldn't have to come to Banaras. Besides the house of her worth------- more than 20lakhs. As no bank gives loans more than the worth of the property. So she could sell this house and start a small business here. But no------she is nothing like that. She spent all the remaining money on Rudra. Then one day when there was nothing----------she started to torture her daughters so much---------that the little Jas too had to earn. While she slept back by showing an issue of ----------Diabetes. Diabetes is not a big disease. Even GN has it. If GN can work at this age with a heart attack etc . Why can't she? The only thing she was capable of was slapping and scolding her daughters. Although at first I thought may be she has the right to do so. But as soon as the story started to run---------I don't think her kind of good for nothing woman has the right to judge anyone. She even sent Amaya to find a school for Jas. Why? Is Sneha aanpar, gawar, incapable? Why can't she find a school for Jas? If Jas can get a job as a tutor-------why can't she? I mean how worthless is this woman? Then the Dev track came and her character turned really dumb.
But there are characters like her in our society. I don't mind this ups and downs of her character. As all the character don't have to be perfect. May be her character is like a loser. May be she is the representative of all those women like her. In this point I don't blame the CVs. Specially if they know -------what they are doing.

I am enjoying the fight between GN and the 3sisters too. He is an old man with old values. His kind of man still exists. I think when they will start to run the story more, this man will be changed and he will turn in to a liberal person. So no, not disappointed with GN's actions too. May be his character is like this. If CVS can keep this story this way---------they may make this story special. By showing how a grand daughter can change the old values of a grand father , when his daughter can't. You see my grand father was very strict to my aunts and uncles. But for me he is like friend. And I always get this complaint from my mom that ------her Dad was so strict to her, why he is giving so much freedom to me?😆 I guess the relationship is like this. Grand parents listen more to their grandkids than their own kids. So no problem with his attitude too. Specially if CVs know how to handle.

Uma-----village girls and small town girls, specially gawar and silly girls do things like her. We read in newspaper. Some jumped from the bridge, some jumped in to river and some drank a whole bottle of harpic. 🤢😆 Small town people and boys usually take it extremely seriously. So I understand her character too.😉

But the problem is -----------the way CVs are producing this story, it is looking like -----------UMA is right. We should feel sympathy for her. When we should not. There are other people in earth who has parents like GN, Sneha ----------who are suffering like Jas, Rachita. Parents means happy life. Who told that? The way this Nagin keeps on shouting-------if her parents were alive they would throttle her throat forever. 😆Yes! This to happens in villages and small towns too. So she is getting all these chances because her parents are not alive. Bhagwan has already done a favor to her by taking her parents away. 😉😃

Amaya's character was spoiled brat once. Then she started to be normal and reasonable. Now -------------She has turned in to Mahatma Gandhiji/ Mother Teressa. Now MG or MT devoted their lives for other. They had no man-woman love stories. So this whole thing is making Amaya looking like a fool. 🤢

Our life is not perfect. Our characters are not perfect. We go through a lot of difficult problems in our lives than serials ----------- specially what they show in soaps. One teaspoon namak keya kam paar gaya---------the whole family run to throttle the throat of the Bahu. 😆😆I mean where's the humor? A guy sneak in to a girl's room late at night. Maana payar . But that is tress passing, GN could call a police and handover Mantu to police. In reality boys usually runs in this kind of cases. But idhar to kuch aur hua. They made it look like bad is GN!"😡 Come on keep the things normal. GN didn't handover Mantu to police. Nor he beat Mantu. So what is the need to make it serious or pathetic? This things happen in life. GN kind of man comes in room while you are enjoying western music. They start to give you advice-----western music is bad. Western attires are bad, western culture is bad etc. When he himself returns to his own room and turn on the western AC------which is very very bad,😆😆😆 We make fun of this in real life.

But the question is why serials always make it look so serious? If our life is like this wouldn't all of us would kill ourselves long ago?
Edited by jhalak7 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Nice to read your take. Agree with you that the serial is lacking the punch it used to have. The story is becoming stagnant and too much OTT drama with Uma and GC is being shown. I skipped yesterday's episode because of the GC crpfest on women not working. If they show this kind of nonsense I am going to have to skip for a while until they can fix it.
The girls are working to support the family and be independent. Are they going to just sit around and wait for a groom to be married? Is that all a woman does all day? I really hope Sneha stands up for her daughters otherwise the story is not going to work for me anymore.
The fisherman part was also unnecessary just like the pandit. The only person who has taken all the gyan is Uma and has played her cards well. She is obsessed now and its not love anymore. It would have been more realistic if she was highly upset and sad and became quiet and distanced herself, instead she is going to fight to take Mantu who she knows is in love with Amaya. But then what can you expect from a soap which needs to runs for eons to be on air. The story and the characters need to be butchered.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Well said and(written) i agree to all the points you made there.. they're losing track of their tagline "bura waqt sabka aata koi nikhar jata haitoh koi bikhar jata hai"Amaya was supposed to shine but sadly she straggled, especially in this bhawishya and kismat track. Also the wardrobe change was not necessary she was a diva, fashionista from the very beginning of the show so they'd have portrayed her that way even after making her mature and grounded. Her glam girl look was also one important part of the show. Change is always for better but sadly CVs seem to forgot this thing!
Only good thing that's happening now in the show is Manya love story hope they don't lose track in it and make it an uttar crap.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Agree with whatever u said.
Nowadays i m feeling this is not the show i had started watching ...its different concept was the thing that had attracted me...but now its completely changed...😵
Almost everyone is undergoing a character change......thats so irritating...Uma turning into a vamp thats hurting me alot...

And where is RaRa and RamTu?? They are the ones who can provide a breath of fresh air...

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