Was Raman really wrong leaving the house? *Updated*

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Posted: 10 years ago
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"You care so much you feel as though
you will bleed to death with the pain of it."

J.K. Rowling,


I know it is unacceptable that after a fight, if the eldest son decides to leave the house. But was it a simple fight? Did Raman leave because of what Bhallaji said? Or did he leave because of Bhallaji's actions :
  • He reprimanded Raman for speaking rudely to Rinki and interfering in a matter between "Rinki and Ishita". And then while Rinki was going on and Ishita tried to explain the situation...He ordered Ishita to not interfere in the middle. Raman protested against that saying the Ishita is his wife.

  • The next day he instructs Neelu to use the groceries to cook food for only HIS family clearing taking Raman, Ishita and the kids out from that list.

  • Raman tries to apologize. He was not allowed and then infront of an outsider, he told Raman he can take care of HIS house payments.

  • Bhalla ji was present the entire time when Romi barged in and hurled abuses not only at Ishita, but Raman, Mihir and Bala...He told both his sons to retire to their rooms...but nothing to Romi then or later about misbehaving with his elders.

  • And he reprimanded Raman again after listening to the half truth and told him to behave properly with HIS bahu, Sarika. To that Raman said clearly, what about him and his wife's insults.

It was only after all these, he decided to leave as he was clearly told, if not in words but in actions that his father was judging him and defining how he should behave in his father's house. That was a clear underlining of alienation of the unfair kind he faced...Was he wrong to stand up for his own dignity and his wife's? or being a son makes one lose that right to be treated fairly by his parents and rather he has to make amends and digest what comes his way and take it as a parents' love as after all they brought him up and now it's his duty to repay that at ANY cost? That feels really skewed in my eyes.


I'm sorry but today the whole lecture of Toshiji felt that Raman was still judged as a self-serving individual for deciding to leave his parents' home...when the fact of the matter is, he didnt have much of an option...it was either that or be a mute audience to insults being hurled at him, his wife and unfair treatment meted out to his family because Rinki put the thought in his family that he cares only for Ishita by giving her the power of attorney in his absence.


I truly hope the Cvs dont botch this up. Parenting too needs to be fair, at any age.


~Update

  • If Raman was right..then was Ishita wrong in siding with Toshiji to try to bring the family together? While she knew Raman's reasons are valid otherwise Ishita wouldn't leave just on Raman's wish, it's in the nature of someone like Ishita who will always go out to keep the family together because deep down she also knows that Raman is shattered without his family...that is his comfort zone...the root of his life. Remember Raman broke down in front of her saying 'aaj koi nahin hai mera'...As also her two children whose lives are built around their Dada-daadi and chacha-Buas...It's not easy to uproot all of those for some misunderstanding. I dont agree with the term "ego" that Ishita used but the fact remains Raman's self-respect took a beating and it wouldnt have been easy for him to just forget everything and go back on Toshiji's pleading. He'll need a nudge ...because after all Raman puts his family before anything...and when the time comes he'll step in as their protector, as the eldest son of the family. And Ishita knows that about him..so for her to take a step in that direction is not a move against Raman, rather for him...as she knows deep down he's all about family.

  • Having said that it would be hard to accept that Mr Bhalla doesn't realize his responsibility in the whole mess...what he told Toshiji about the reason for Raman leaving couldn't have been further away from the fact. Fact is that Raman doesn't see his family as a burden. Fact is that he never has tried to garner more respect because he earns the most...fact is that Raman behave exactly like Raman always did...the difference is Bhallaji and his children have the tinted filter of his POA in Ishita's name distorting their view. Every single behavior of Romi/Rinki stemmed from that sense of 'rejection' combined with Romi's genuine MU. I truly hope that part is delved into.

I really can't relate to this slap fest on adults in front of your son's inlaws.🤢


I'm really intrigued to see how this family MU is resolved by the saas bahu duo. I truly want Simmi to have some role in eye opener here as she was the neutral one who witnessed almost everything.


Another great day of acting. Karan nailed that scene with Toshiji where his eyes spoke volumes about a guy who's reeling from the unfair accusations of his loved ones.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Hi Gan,

Today was an okay episode for me. For most of the parts I did not like it but for the story to move on they need these types of episodes

I will start with things I did not like in this episode.

Ishita was definitely wrong when she said Raman took this decision based on EGO. I agree she was partially correct when she said he took the decision based on anger and the next word should have been HURT not EGO.

Toshjii acted like a wife not a mother. I am okay with that but I am not happy when she questioned Ishita why she stood by her husband when she can say nothing matters in the world except Bhallaji why doesn't the same rule applies to Ishita.

Bhallaji said that Raman went out because of his ego and doesn't care about his siblings and parents this shows he did not even understand his son and he did not tell what has transpired entirely to Toshjii. I gave him benefit of doubt during Rinki because fathers tend to protect the daughters more than the son. I would have been okay with him when he supported Sarika as a DIL without knowing the full information if he had supported Ishita when he was there from the start so for me it still feels that Raman transferring the company in Ishita name is the main trigger for him to hate Ishita and to have his insecurities surface up again which turned into a ego clash with his son even when the son tried to apologize he did not listen and one word from him Raman would have stopped from leaving instead he went inside the room and know blaming Raman for leaving the house in unacceptable.

I was okay with Toshjii coming in and slapping Raman because as a mother she has the right but she should see the place and people surrounding him he is not just a kid but a full grown man with a teenage kid on his own and she is also a wife who could not see her husband crying because of him but once she vented out her anger she should have found at the root cause of the problem but still I am keeping my hopes tomorrow she will get to know all of it if she does not and still blames Raman I am going to be mad. On a side note if Toshjii can act on her impulse and be angry with Raman why cannot Raman be short tempered.


Things I liked in the episode.

Raman even after getting slapped from his mother in front of his in-laws in their house did not say a word what made him take the decision but took all the verbal and physical slaps he got from his mother burying his hurt and respecting her. I was wondering when Toshjii said Bhallaji never says he his hurt to anyone I was wondering is she the same women who told Ishita and Bhallaji Raman never shares his hurt only his pillow know so why can't see understand him now for him to move out something major must have happened in her house.

Ishita suppressed angry look to Romi when she asked him to leave the room. I hope she keeps the suppressed anger on Romi and not forgive him easily. I also liked the fact she asked Simmi to leave and asked Bhallaji to leave with a please.

Ishita saying she wants to unite the family as she knows Raman won't be able to survive without his family but for once I want her to stand up for her husband hurt against her nature. She easily forgives everyone this time around she takes a stand for husband and not forgive his siblings easily that doesn't mean she does not do the deed of a perfect DIL she can do that but stop forgiving people easily and loving them.

Adi and Ruhi conversation was the highlight of the episode how a younger sister can bring in peace for her elder brother turmoil even though she has the same worry in her heart but in contrast to the adult Rinki who is the younger sister but bringing in trouble for her elder brother.

In answering your question Rama was not wrong in leaving the house but I hope at least Simmi will tell the whole situation to Toshjii tomorrow as she has been shown as the neutral one because Bahallji, Romi,Rinki and Sarika are all baised and IshRa won't open their mouth against any of them even when they know all of the them are wrong because that is how much they love them.

Toshjii should know the entire situation before she forms any kind of opinion and not just try to patch up the kids without making the younger ones realize the need to speak with elders with respect and Raman to control his anger and Bhallaji to be fair.


CV last week has shown a wonderful episodes starting of this week is not so great I seriously hope they give justification to Raman hurt instead of making him at fault for leaving the house.



Edited by mayasundar - 10 years ago
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This reminds me of the time Ishita and Senior Bhalla revolted against Raman's behaviour.
Edited by -Ara- - 10 years ago
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Probably one of the worst episodes of YHM😡
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Raman was not Wrong leaving the house ...

Gan agree with you and Bang on points you have written .. all are enough to justify Raman's action of leaving bhalla house... if a man even after doing so much for family.. loving his siblings and taking care of there every little thing fulfilling there each demand gets rude behavior.. MU and blamed for no fault then what he supposed to do ? Ok agree Raman shouldn't have talked to bhalla ji in high tone.. but then what Mr bhalla done with Raman was Not at all fair first he reacted against Raman without knowing entire matter what happened between Rinky ishu.. he reacted on Raman about to slap Rinky and telling its his house. And that expenses.. ok there he gets benefit of doubt that he was just knowing half truth but then did he tried to know what actually happened .. No... here also Raman let out his ego his anger and tried to apologise to Mr bhalla but he didn't paid attention...

Other scenario when Adi got slapped by sarika(she may slapped him by mistake) there also Raman was right defending Adi as Adi didn't done anything intentionally it was by mistake.. there also without knowing entire matter Mr bhalla took sarika's side as she is bahu now.. then why he didn't uttered a word when romi was talking to ishu in such rude manner when he was insulting ishra why he didn't said anything to romi ? He was totally unfair to Raman and ishita... Raman didn't take a impulsive decision he forced to take that step as his siblings his father were not listening him or not understanding him.. what can he do when his wife get insulted.. what can he do if his wife get questioned without any fault of her ?

Even when ishra were leaving the house they were watching at Mr bhalla with the hope that he may stop them but he instead went from there.. today Mr bhalla said Raman don't care for his family his siblings .. he has ego and blah blah i was like 😲 what he is saying does he know his son really ? Raman taking care of everything in this family .. what romi has done till now ? Again Mr bhalla was really disappointed me..

As for Toshiji first she have to know entire matter.. how ishra got insulted by romi Rinky how they got unfair treatment by Mr bhalla.. she slapped Raman its ok(Raman doesn't deserve it) being mother she thought his son did mistake and done that .. and being a wife her husband's tears may have hurt her as she said anyone doesn't matter to her more than Mr bhalla.. she was panic.. angry.. hurt cause of whatever happened but I hope after knowing entire matter she also make bhalla ji understand that he was unfair to Raman.. and Raman ishra were not wrong.. and please one tight slap on Rinky's face that girl is really getting on my nerves 😡 going by precap she knows what Rinky's intentions are hope she teaches good lesson to Rinky...

I am looking forward for coming Epis.. and I totally support Raman's Decision of leaving bhalla house and ishra here 😳
Edited by s_kavya - 10 years ago
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While the current track may reflect reality in many areas...I find it hard to stay objective with this track compared to almost every other track, like these characters, these emotions are more powerful. I constantly find myself thinking what I would do in said situation. Maybe once it's over I will find it easier to see all the grey & feel okay with things like Toshiji's reaction, but for now the dil talks. ❤️[/DIV]
#sappy
#Puttar cut his hair

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//update\\

Ego & pride are lofty words. For the Bhallas, it makes sense they think Raman is egotistical because they are blinded by their own prejudices secondary to all the insecurity & MUs. For us as viewers, the label is unfit. To take a stand for the self respect of you & your wife is not out of ego in my opinion. It is out of inner strength.

For Raman to decide to leave & Ishita to follow takes strength because they live through their families. But there is only so much insult one can bear out of love. When Raman hurled cruel words at Ishita in anger this year, we all wanted to her to stand up for herself. Why? Because love should not cripple you to loose your self-esteem. Similar is what we are seeing here.

Just because you are the most reliable one, love your family, & feel a sense of responsibility - should you compromise your self respect just to be a dutiful son or brother?

The scene between the children was the most moving part of the episode for me because I understand that fear. Adi is like Raman in the sense both are quick to blame themselves & to some degree are self-deprecating. Ruhi is like Ishita in the sense she comforts those around her, but like a child she too was scared for the unknown future. What makes this family special is when one hurts, the other supports.

It's mixed blessings the kids don't know the full story. On one hand they feel guilty or that their father's anger to something lead to this, but on the other hand - the reality of the situation - the very fact money can break homes - is too much for young children. They have lived through a lot, yes, but to salvage their remaining innocence is important.

I do not think Raman was wrong, but I can also place myself in the other's shoes to see where they are coming from. I think things escalated too quickly, but had they stayed there - it would be a house divided in itself & filled with bitterness upon Toshiji's return.

I don't know what they will do with the rest of this track. So far it's great minus some small irksome things.

But this family doesn't need to be taught just about Ishita & Raman's importance, they need to be taught to value relationships as a whole. Not everyone can be self-sacrificing like Raman & Ishita, but they can value what, & more importantly who, they have in life.

Families who are lucky to survive such a war come out stronger but will always bear the scars of the battle.
Edited by -K.13- - 10 years ago
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Hi Gan,
Was Raman right in leaving the house ? Absolutely. There is only so much a person can take. He had reached the end of his tether, what with continuous accusations and insults being hurled at him and his spouse. Being misunderstood by not only his younger siblings but also by his parent, who had previously too (when he was married to Shagun) stopped speaking with him due to Shagun's manipulation.

Was Toshi right in chastising Raman for leaving the Bhalla house ? I can understand her chagrin. Because she knows her son. She knows he is the only one on whom she can rely. Raman has his faults but, his whole family knows he can lay down his life for them. Toshi also knows, that Raman is the only one she can rely on as support for Mr. Bhalla and herself in their old age.

Were Raman and Ishita right to keep quiet when Toshi was giving them a piece of her mind for leaving the house ? Absolutely. Because under no circumstances would Toshi have listened to their explanation. Rather than aggravate the matter, it was wise that they kept shut and listened to her rant.

Is Ishita right in wanting to speak with Toshi and get the family together ? Absolutely. Why ? Because she realizes that Raman will only be happy once he is back with his family. He is your quintessential family man, who lives and breathes for his family. For all his so called anger and rude behavior, Raman loves his family. He is unhappy being away from them. The family is unhappy that they have left the house.

Raman and Ishita, both are very similar in their love for their family. If Rinky walks up to Raman and apologies, Raman will definitely forgive her transgressions. He is that kind of a person. He loves his wife, parents, siblings, children so much.

The only outcome that I want from this track is that the whole Bhalla family, realises the value of Raman. What he stands for. Who he is and what he does, to which extent he can go for them.

The only two people who really know and understand Raman are Toshi and Ishita. That is why, in my pov, every time Raman screams at her, Ishita forgives him and does not take it too much to heart is because she knows for all her aggressive, abrasive, nasty words, her husband is inherently a good and wonderful man and human being.

Finally, puttar fangirl in me rises to the fore ! I tweeted a lot of nonsense in Gujarati to Puttar in hopes now he does not block me !

I actually tweeted Hallelujah to him for cutting his hair !

My reaction to puttar and his haircut ! Hallelujah !




Edited by beckysharp - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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apt points Gan and i dnt feel raman was wrong even a bit in leaving home , but ishita is also nt wrong as she is woman of house and wants her family together 😊
just hope siblings realize importance of ishra and mr bhalla too realize his mistake😕
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Posted: 10 years ago
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No, Raman was not wrong this time. Again CVs spoiled an interesting track.
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The collage is wonderful...This man KP is superb with his expressions...Here he is crying in front of his mother like a kid which I feel is different from the way he cried in front of his wife...

Frankly I thought, will it be only me who was a bit disappointed with the episode but I am proved wrong...😆

About your question in the title...For me it is neither right nor wrong...Not right bcoz it is not a solution...But like u listed, with the chain of events that forced Raman to take this extreme step unwillingly, he cannot be blamed either...Infact his father himself showed it to him the very next morning after the first argument, that he will not hesitate to make two kitchens in the same house ...

What I liked in the episode...Raman remaining silent to Toshiji's thrashing n bashing when he saw that like his father, his mother was also not ready to listen to him n just assumed that he was at fault totally...
Ishita asking Simmi, Romi n even Papaji to leave the room and her determination to unite the family by forming team Saas-Bahu...
Ruhi consoling Adi n his smile on seeing his li'l sister...

What disappointed me...Toshiji's reaction - Her first reaction on learning that Raman n family left the house was that, she would have believed only if it was Shagun, but defo not with Ishita and that too Raman will not take such a decision even if it was Shagun bcoz he loved his parents n siblings so much...But with Bhallaji's revelation(though misleading) she within a few seconds chose to forget it in one go...Her reprimanding Raman for leaving the house n not being a little more patient with his aged father was ok but she went overboard when she said that he failed as a son and he treated them as a burden...If it was true, y would he leave the big house , he would have ordered them to leave instead? Another thing that puzzles me is Toshiji scolded Raman for hurting others with his uncontrollable anger...She seems to have forgotten that he is the son of that mother whose harsh words out of anger forced a lady to kill herself n her kid...It was this son n DIL who even after knowing that Mummyji was to be blamed for it, defended her in front of a hysteric Subbu but later on also escorted her to meet him so that she could apologize for the peace of her mind...If as a son he could understand his mother, why is the reverse not possible here?As per precap, Toshiji somehow realised that Rinky is the root cause for the situation...So, will she for once at least repent for the hurtful words said to her son...I think nothing like that is gonna happen...Mother-son love will be restored through paranthas , I guess...

MIL- DIL convo - The last whole week Ishita n every other character was human- Human who can get hurt, who can get angered, who can become greedy, who can misunderstand easily, who can get misunderstood easily etc etc.,...But yesterday with this one melodramatic convo they again made Ishita look like a Super Bahu and spoiled it for me...I believe that the Cv's who gave sensible episodes like last week, would have been definitely capable to make this scene also beautiful with more realistic dialogues than the 'Sherni' kind...Was this melodrama needed to portray a DIL's determination to reunite the family? For me it is a big NO...And also, everybody (even Appa) said that Raman is egoistic...But when Ishita said 'Raman's ego' , it sounded even bad, bcoz it was only her who saw his pain and it was only to her that he elaborated his plans n decisions😕...She even praised him twice when he said his plans for Mihir n his ambitions for li'l Rohit... Anyways, with net result of the convo being positive, I also choose to stay positive...😊

Anyways with the new OLV , I think Saas-Bahu plans are not gonna be fruitful that easily...


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