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Posted: 10 years ago

Kindly use this post for all historical discussions, all other topics on the same will be merged

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Edited by hinz - 10 years ago
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Hi All
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Made a New Post, the 4th in Chittor Battle series..

In the previous post in the Chittor Battle Series, we read about the battles which happened BEFORE the main Battle of Chittor, i.e., the 'Saka' in February 1568. Mewar was a big state. We saw that, along with Chittor, which was the capital of Mewar, the other regions which faced (simultaneous) attacks were - Mandalgarh, Udaipur, Kumbhalgarh, Rampur, Bijolia, etc.

Now that the detailed background of this war is clear, let's discuss one of the most awaited events in which almost all of you had expressed interest. This talks about how this battle was ACTUALLY fought and how the two sides engaged in combat for 5 months before the ultimate 'annihilation'.

In the part-5 post, which will come after this, that will be about the events following the fall of the commander of Chittor - Jaimal and the consequent Jauhar and Saka conducted by the Rajput women and defenders of the Fort of Chittor.

In this post, i am giving a detailed description of the course of the Battle of Chittor. This is part-4 in the series.This includes all the events BEFORE the Jauhar and Saka in Chittor.


Abu'l Fazl in Akbarnamam while describing the Battle of Chittor says -> " No one ever saw such a battle, Nor ever heard of such from the experienced ones, What shall I say of this battle and engagement, I cannot mention one item out of a hundred thousand. "


This Post also contains 3 BIG portraits from Akbarnama with as much DETAILED explanations as possible :

1. About the Mining done by Mughal Forces.

2. About the "explosion" which killed many soldiers on 17th December 1567.

3. Akbar shoots Jaimal with his matchlock.


It is interesting to know that a LOT of gunpowder was used in this battle. For example : On the night of 17th December 1567, more than 7500 Kilograms of gunpowder was set to fire to explode the walls of Chittor Fort.!!!



Link to that Post is here ->

ACTUAL Struggle between Mughal - Rajput Forces - Course of War Before the Jauhar and Saka | Battle of Chittor Part-4 | With explained Portraits from Akbarnama


Can post views on this thread...Will be discussing here too.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/bharat-ka-veer-putra-maharana-pratap/4413392/new-post-actual-struggle-btw-mughal-rajput-forces-battle-of-chittor



From all the accounts, it can be seen that the battle of Chittor was long and hard.

Both the sides fought with a single-minded determination to win the battle at any cost
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For the Rajputs, it was a do-or-die battle to save the fort and the honor of Mewar.

For the Mughals, it was both a Holy War / Jehad (as per Abu'l Fazl and a bitter farman of Emperor Akbar to be posted in coming posts) . Also, it was an opportunity to capture entire Rajputana and bring it under Mughal sovereignty.

The description of this war is nothing short of reading an action novel, where the soldiers from both the sides engaged in heroic struggle for 5-6 months.!!

Other Posts in this Series

Here are the links to the previous parts of the Chittor Battle Series.

1. Why did Akbar attack Chittor ? | Part-1

2. Preparation of Rajputs - Battle of Chittor | Part-2

3. Battles BEFORE the Battle of Chittor - At Kumbhalgarh, Rampur, Udaipur, Mandalgarh | Part-3

History of Jaimal and Patta | HEROes of the 3rd Siege of Chittor




Can post views on this thread...Will be discussing here too.
https://www.indiaforums.com/forum/bharat-ka-veer-putra-maharana-pratap/4413392/new-post-actual-struggle-btw-mughal-rajput-forces-battle-of-chittor



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Posted: 10 years ago
Abhay


I am left speechless by this post. The accounts you have brought to our notice highlight both the valour of the Rajputs and the strategies resorted to by the Mughals to defeat them.

I have rarely seen such "forced" admiration for the prowess of the enemy as mentioned in the Mughal chronicles here. And what fighting spirit the defenders showed! They remind me of the Charge of the Light Brigade who knew they were doomed to die but fought to the last man nevertheless.

Even though the royal family was not present in the fort, the two worthy commanders of the Rajputs never let this fact hinder their stiff resistance to the Mughals. Such a small band of gallant soldiers stood up to the mighty Mughal army for 6 months and, in the end, had to be blown up and massacred for the Mughals to take over what remained of the fort. Can this really be termed a victory of the Mughals?

Akbar is termed Great and I have immense admiration for this far-sighted emperor who brought in some great reforms in his time. Yet, the greatest of men have their dark spots and Chittor can be termed the blemish on the nobility of Akbar.

Understanding Chittor is the key to understanding Akbar. What drove this man to term himself a ghazi and launch a battle to propagate his religion with such zealousness and then what made him promote sulh-i-kul later on?

At this moment though, I just wish to salute the spirit of the Rajputs for being willing to die rather than bend in front of the enemy, even though the enemy was the most powerful Emperor at the time. As long as Akbar's history is recounted, the Battle of Chittor will be told too and people will remember the martyrdom of the people of Chittorgarh much more than the victory of the Mughals.


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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Abhay


I am left speechless by this post. The accounts you have brought to our notice highlight both the valour of the Rajputs and the strategies resorted to by the Mughals to defeat them.

I have rarely seen such "forced" admiration for the prowess of the enemy as mentioned in the Mughal chronicles here. And what fighting spirit the defenders showed!

They remind me of the Charge of the Light Brigade who knew they were doomed to die but fought to the last man nevertheless.

Even though the royal family was not present in the fort, the two worthy commanders of the Rajputs never let this fact hinder their stiff resistance to the Mughals. Such a small band of gallant soldiers stood up to the mighty Mughal army for 6 months and, in the end, had to be blown up and massacred for the Mughals to take over what remained of the fort. Can this really be termed a victory of the Mughals?

Akbar is termed Great and I have immense admiration for this far-sighted emperor who brought in some great reforms in his time. Yet, the greatest of men have their dark spots and Chittor can be termed the blemish on the nobility of Akbar.

Understanding Chittor is the key to understanding Akbar. What drove this man to term himself a ghazi and launch a battle to propagate his religion with such zealousness and then what made him promote sulh-i-kul later on?

At this moment though, I just wish to salute the spirit of the Rajputs for being willing to die rather than bend in front of the enemy, even though the enemy was the most powerful Emperor at the time. As long as Akbar's history is recounted, the Battle of Chittor will be told too and people will remember the martyrdom of the people of Chittorgarh much more than the victory of the Mughals.



Radhika,

Thanks for these views. I completely agree especially with the "forced admiration" part. I have seen this phenomena in the writings of Abu'l Fazl. While he is called quite moderate and a liberal, but i was taken aback when i saw his writings which show a strong hostility to the defenders of the fort of Chittor. Even Badayuni paid good reverence in comparison.

Akbar's policy of Sulh-i-Kul reached a conclusion after a long time in his reign. Anyways, a lot of things are still to be read about this war. After reading all of them in coming posts, let us do the assessment of this war. :)


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Posted: 10 years ago

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Farman of Mughal Emperor Akbar to protect a 'Brahmin of Mathura' from the harassment of Mughal officials + Scan of Original Persian Document + Connection with Maharana Pratap, Ajabde Bai Sa & Mariam-Uz-Zamani


Today, I am sharing a Farman which was given by Mughal Emperor Akbar to a Brahmin who lived in the suburbs of Mathura. This farman is first in the series of farmans, given by the Emperor to prevent this Brahmin saint - Shri Vithal Rai, from harassment at the hands of Imperial Mughal officers.

The Emperor had given clear orders that no one should interfere with this Brahmin as regards his faith etc. and they should allow him to worship as per his custom, keeping the welfare of the Empire in mind.

This Brahmin was also a guru of Ajabde Bai Sa, who was the wife of Maharana Pratap. And he was also a Guru of Mariam Uz Zamani..

Here is the link to this interesting post..
First-Farman-of-Akbar-to-Vithalrai



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Posted: 10 years ago

Hi all..

Made a post about a novel - The Enchantress of Florence, of 2008, which reaches further back in history. The novel, which the author describes as his most researched, moves with astonishing speed and energy from the court of Emperor Akbar to Renaissance Florence in Europe, journeying through various destinations on the way.

The author pits East against West, explores assimilation and identity, and invites us to think about the power of storytelling and its role in defeating obscurantism and intolerance.

The book also talks about his wife - Jodha, whom the author describes as an ideal consort, with excellent qualities no other woman can possess. The author has tried his best to keep the readers engaged till the end about the "identity" of this lady. Sometimes she is kept in his dreams and sometimes she is a real figure who is loved by Akbar but disliked by his other wives. In the middle he clears that the wife of Akbar was Mariam-Uz-Zamani, who was Hira Kunwari of Amer..


Few Excerpts from the Novel:

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No real woman was ever like that, so perfectly attentive, so undemanding. She was an impossibility, a fantasy of perfection. They feared her, knowing that, being impossible, she was irresistible. The king loved her best. They hated her for her theft of their histories. If they could have murdered her they would have done so, but until the emperor died himself, she was immortal.

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She was not subservient. Akbar did not like subservient women. She would scold him first. How could he stay away so long? In his absence she had had to combat many plots. All was untrustworthy here. The very walls were filled with whispers. She fought them all and kept the palace safe against the day of his return, defeating the small, self-serving treacheries of the domestic staff, confounding the spying lizards hanging on the walls, stilling the scurry of conspiratorial mice.

Till the end, the author keeps us engaged and we do not know when she is present in dreams and when she comes out as a reality... I found the interview of the author more interesting to read as that was something history.

More excerpts are present in the post itself with an interview of the author...

Link :: Excerpts on Jodha Akbar | Enchantress of Florence + Author's Interview


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Posted: 10 years ago
Abhay


Something new and different from you this time! :)

Seems like a fine fantasy meets history novel, which I am tempted to read now. The way Jodha is conjured in Akbar's imagination is the way I too visualise her. This is such a surreal setting - a powerful, almost cold-hearted emperor who has a softer side that imagines a beautiful, intelligent and strong woman as his consort. I so want to believe that this woman did not merely exist in Akbar's dreams but was very much a part of his real life.

Thanks for sharing the interview with Mr Rushdie, who is always as engaging in his conversation as in his stories. :)
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Posted: 10 years ago
Abhay thanks for this interesting info.

I read this book long back when it was published before this show this bits are really interesting I always felt this woman the enchantress was a fictitious character The ultimate/utopian woman a man wanted with all qualities but your interview and watching the show reading about Akbar and MUZ the closeness is so fascinating interesting. Need we think she had a lot of influence, the monuments the architecture, the presence of temples in the Mughal palaces Akbar built, the Allahabad fort, her influential relatives in Akbar's court ,their positions , the business woman MUZ was , her being able to built a famous and huge mosque(though some may say her son finished building it) ,if interpreted properly tell us a story which many say is fiction and unbelievable.

None of the memoirs of Akbar, Jahangir or the later or earlier Mughals talk of much on their women aka wives mothers sisters other women relatives which is in accordance with the times the all male projection society /period it was but still some of names are also part of Mughal history


Radhika your words bring to mind behind a great man is a woman/women
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Posted: 10 years ago
Thank you Abhay for keeping our interest and curiosity about the dignified, beautiful, smart and enigmatic MUZ alive, by sharing interesting information about her. Cannot wait to read more.----------- !
Thanks again. 😊
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Abhay, appreciate your posts. They are always informative and entertaining.

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