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Posted: 10 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: nneeiill


Thanks.. :)

yup thats what i also think...since past 2-3 episodes..even i could see how they are back on track...
i dont find the pandit track dragged as much ..as u said it feels dragged coz of the merger epis and campaign ...otherwise pandit track came into full swing this week only...
if we look at soha track it was relatively much more dragged than this..we just need to let it play out..i am totally able to relate why this fusion concert is so imp both for nandu and manik especially this week...

When nandu expressed her fear since then manik is trying every trick to make sure Dhruv quits on his own ..he wont be doing that if nandu's fear were not imp for him...but manik needs to be guilt free and take on Dhruv.. this will give nandu the much needed reassurance ..her fear of musicana were never resolved during NYE...now if manik gives equal fight to Dhruv..it wont make him feel guilty and he will be with nandini without any debt of friendship playing in his head..all this track is not just considering nandu's fear..its also about manik's confusion like during the cabir talk where he could not tell him what would have he done if dhruv had not backed out..

so am looking forward to let it all unfold..😛







What trick? Manik is only trying to manaao Dhruv to come back to him and Fab5...he STILL doesn't have the balls or guts to DIRECTLY stand up for what he shares with Nandini...so how does this make up for any "fear" of Nandini's?😕...He listens to her fears and gives her some blind face-mapping TLC...that's it😆...what all stuff are you imagining him doing otherwise?😆...Where is the so called fighting for them happening that you are OH so hopeful?😆


And chalo I'll ask you a direct question now...since you are oh so optimistic about this track😆...if they do not show any follow up on Nandini's fears/insecurities regarding Musicana loop next week (and I'm talking RESOLUTION of some sort...not a REPEAT of the same dialogue and Manik huffing and puffing pointlessly when she asks him anything), then? What is your cutoff deadline for this to drag? One more week? 2 more weeks? One more month? How long is TOO long for you?😆


And I just read that next week's promo is all about Manik v/s Pandit😆...oh yeah total Musicana loop closure happening there, Nitya😛...and STILL no fusion concert in sight😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Saamya: Excellent post👍🏼.. I think I'm a little late to your party but just felt like adding my own two cents in here anyway😛
First, I don't think MaNan's intense feelings for each other have ever been in question.. we are all witness to how love or hate they cannot be separated.. therefore this track is not simply about being together, which toh they are anyway, in good times, bad times and even when they try their best to stay away.. But is that enough to sustain a relationship in the long run? Nandini herself had once questioned their own extreme nature and clashing POVs.. this is the crux of the situation isn't it? They understand each other but they completely have different ways of dealing with problems and difficult choices.. this is where they need to develop some middle ground.. along with ideologies, they need to understand each other's MO too..

Nandini's hope.. yes, she uses the word a lot.. But is the CONTEXT always the same? When they first started out, her hope was really small and simple.. singing with him and bringing his smile back.. then Dhruv got added to the mix and her hope became about Manik standing for them cuz otherwise she would be fighting a losing a battle all by herself for someone who doesn't even want to be won.. Then with Nyo's manipulations, Pandit's pressurizing, her hope became about making this entire endeavor a success and not letting anything jinx it.. Nandini is so literal minded that she simply blurts out the thought uppermost in her mind (eg. mudfight, V-day) which in this case is "hope" her symbol for positivity and her talisman against darkness.. but do we truly appreciate just how many dimensions this one word alone has? Personally speaking, I love this multifaceted exploration of a single idea..😳

As for Nandini voicing her insecurities.. if we take a look at her character sketch, Nandini is the type of person joined SPACE for her brother, who stood up to Fab5 for her friend etc. etc. In essence not someone who ever puts themselves or their own interests first..now for such a character, would it make any sense at all to ask the man she loves ki 'what about me? Why aren't you putting me first?'
But chalo let's consider for a moment, that an AU Nandu even went and confronted directly on this issue.. the only thing that would achieve is Manik getting defensive and lashing out when cornered, while the audience would be pissed off that Nandini is selfish and doesn't understand Manik at all.. The one time she even dared to ask, "Aur hamara kya Manik" wasn't that the majority reaction anyway?
Now of course because she is not immediately jumping on him and questioning him, rather biding her time and waiting for the appropriate moment, this makes her a dumb doormat who cannot stand up for herself..
Basically, situation jo bhi ho, it's always going to be Nandini's fault only, isn't it? Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't😕

Now I understand that analysis/extrapolation of the tracks and characters is not everyone's cup of tea and most people like things to be easy, blatantly OBVIOUS and spelled out to them, not subjective and open to interpretation which is their prerogative and I respect that.. to each his own et al..
But still, if we can take a moment to reflect, in life, in any relationship, asking to be made someone's priority, does that really achieve anything? Or is this the kind of thing that requires self-realization? The person must feel your importance in their life on their own and consciously CHOOSE to declare you their greatest priority themselves voluntarily and without any hesitation.. anything less kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?
Anyway in MaNan's case this is not the primary problem.. It's not like anyone (including MaNan themselves) is unaware that Nandini is the centre of Manik's world.. the most important person in his life.. No, the problem is his guilt-tripping over it because he believes that his love for Nandu is selfish and somehow undermines his dedication to fab5..
Even if we consider the Soha track which is being touted as the moment that Manik made his choice clear and public, which fair enough he did.. but then what happened after? While Nandini was lying in a hospital bed, Manik was sitting outside feeling sorry and busy apologizing to his friends for the album fiasco.. In fact it took Cabir's words to give him the right perspective on this when he said, "Album gaya toh gaya, Nandini's life is more important".. Manik of course agrees with this sentiment but that doesn't stop him from feeling guilty too.
So until he stops swinging between divided loyalties and takes a stand for himself and them proudly, how can he possibly give any assurances to Nandu? And isn't it sheer trust on Nandini's part that she understands his dilemma perfectly and yet has complete faith in him to resolve it and fight for them when the time comes. Isn't this already an indication of just how far they have come?

As an audience we had no interest in the merger episodes so we wanted the fusion concert instead.. then we had even less interest in the social campaign track so we wanted the fusion concert even more.. But just consider, without the proper buildup even if we had the fusion concert tomorrow, what would it achieve? If we really want all the loops to have an organic resolution then how can we insist on an abrupt immediate solution just because we don't have the patience to sit through the gradual character progression? These characters are evolving, every new situation forces them to re-examine their choices and that is how they learn and grow.. At the end of the day, every external are merely means for MaNan to gain more insight about each other.. which they do, with every single conversation, with every single episode.. isn't that the purpose of the story anyway? Then why are we so fixated on a "high point" when there are so many regular points along the way to simply cherish and enjoy..
Also, what good is arriving at our destination, if we spent the entire journey cribbing over the time it took to get there.. kinda feels like we missed the whole point then, doesn't it?😉


Edited by 13thwish - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Lovely post
Totally agree with u👍🏼
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Posted: 10 years ago
#34

Originally posted by: AreYaar



THIS😆...but we are asking for too much right now if we ask for DIRECT communication...so much more "fun" to play hope fusion concert and vague talks instead😆...waise bhi DIRECT communication ho gaya toh story and show khatam...they are dragging the resolution deliberately but not realizing that repetitiveness kills everything after a point.


nur...i will tell you how i look at it.. how can communication in every respect happen when one of them is still in dilemma ? i think they are doing max communication ..look at the way she is telling her fears...he is trying to understand it and comforting her..but the kind of communication u r telling it will happy only when MANIK's mind is clear of his guilt..and this is not an external factor...even if they declare i love you ..even if he says u r my top priority ..i will never leave you..will it really take away his guilt...????if they are showing his guilt ...its for a proper reason..its not resolved yet and just communication wont take away that guilt..he has to realize it on his own...and for that u need a major push...the current track is exactly dealing with it..i can clearly see how they r getting there..so for me this track is personally much more interesting than soha track...


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: AreYaar




What trick? Manik is only trying to manaao Dhruv to come back to him and Fab5...he STILL doesn't have the balls or guts to DIRECTLY stand up for what he shares with Nandini...so how does this make up for any "fear" of Nandini's?😕...He listens to her fears and gives her some blind face-mapping TLC...that's it😆...what all stuff are you imagining him doing otherwise?😆...Where is the so called fighting for them happening that you are OH so hopeful?😆
how can he directly say that when he himself is battling with it.😕
pehle khud to clear tab jaake vo usse bole..😆
And chalo I'll ask you a direct question now...since you are oh so optimistic about this track😆...if they do not show any follow up on Nandini's fears/insecurities regarding Musicana loop next week (and I'm talking RESOLUTION of some sort...not a REPEAT of the same dialogue and Manik huffing and puffing pointlessly when she asks him anything), then? What is your cutoff deadline for this to drag? One more week? 2 more weeks? One more month? How long is TOO long for you?😆

i believe nandini will definitely confront on this issue next week...but everything wont be resolved that week itself..



And I just read that next week's promo is all about Manik v/s Pandit😆...oh yeah total Musicana loop closure happening there, Nitya😛...and STILL no fusion concert in sight😆

i think we want to see the climax as soon as possible😆..pandit and dhruv will be a major factor in his realization ..so thoda drama tho hoga..and am all up for this drama..soha ko jhela merger ko jhela ..in that respect pandit drama tho highly tolerable for me😆...and i love dishank ...TING

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Posted: 10 years ago
#36

Originally posted by: 13thwish

@Saamya: Excellent post👍🏼.. I think I'm a little late to your party but just felt like adding my own two cents in here anyway😛

First, I don't think MaNan's intense feelings for each other have ever been in question.. we are all witness to how love or hate they cannot be separated.. therefore this track is not simply about being together, which toh they are anyway, in good times, bad times and even when they try their best to stay away.. But is that enough to sustain a relationship in the long run? Nandini herself had once questioned their own extreme nature and clashing POVs.. this is the crux of the situation isn't it? They understand each other but they completely have different ways of dealing with problems and difficult choices.. this is where they need to develop some middle ground.. along with ideologies, they need to understand each other's MO too..

Nandini's hope.. yes, she uses the word a lot.. But is the CONTEXT always the same? When they first started out, her hope was really small and simple.. singing with him and bringing his smile back.. then Dhruv got added to the mix and her hope became about Manik standing for them cuz otherwise she would be fighting a losing a battle all by herself for someone who doesn't even want to be won.. Then with Nyo's manipulations, Pandit's pressurizing, her hope became about making this entire endeavor a success and not letting anything jinx it.. Nandini is so literal minded that she simply blurts out the thought uppermost in her mind (eg. mudfight, V-day) which in this case is "hope" her symbol for positivity and her talisman against darkness.. but do we truly appreciate just how many dimensions this one word alone has? Personally speaking, I love this multifaceted exploration of a single idea..😳

As for Nandini voicing her insecurities.. if we take a look at her character sketch, Nandini is the type of person joined SPACE for her brother, who stood up to Fab5 for her friend etc. etc. In essence not someone who ever puts themselves or their own interests first..now for such a character, would it make any sense at all to ask the man she loves ki 'what about me? Why aren't you putting me first?'
But chalo let's consider for a moment, that an AU Nandu even went and confronted directly on this issue.. the only thing that would achieve is Manik getting defensive and lashing out when cornered, while the audience would be pissed off that Nandini is selfish and doesn't understand Manik at all.. The one time she even dared to ask, "Aur hamara kya Manik" wasn't that the majority reaction anyway?
Now of course because she is not immediately jumping on him and questioning him, rather biding her time and waiting for the appropriate moment, this makes her a dumb doormat who cannot stand up for herself..
Basically, situation jo bhi ho, it's always going to be Nandini's fault only, isn't it? Damned if she does and damned if she doesn't😕

Now I understand that analysis/extrapolation of the tracks and characters is not everyone's cup of tea and most people like things to be easy, blatantly OBVIOUS and spelled out to them, not subjective and open to interpretation which is their prerogative and I respect that.. to each his own et al..
But still, if we can take a moment to reflect, in life, in any relationship, asking to be made someone's priority, does that really achieve anything? Or is this the kind of thing that requires self-realization? The person must feel your importance in their life on their own and consciously CHOOSE to declare you their greatest priority themselves voluntarily and without any hesitation.. anything less kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?
Anyway in MaNan's case this is not the primary problem.. It's not like anyone (including MaNan themselves) is unaware that Nandini is the centre of Manik's world.. the most important person in his life.. No, the problem is his guilt-tripping over it because he believes that his love for Nandu is selfish and somehow undermines his dedication to fab5..
Even if we consider the Soha track which is being touted as the moment that Manik made his choice clear and public, which fair enough he did.. but then what happened after? While Nandini was lying in a hospital bed, Manik was sitting outside feeling sorry and busy apologizing to his friends for the album fiasco.. In fact it took Cabir's words to give him the right perspective on this when he said, "Album gaya toh gaya, Nandini's life is more important".. Manik of course agrees with this sentiment but that doesn't stop him from feeling guilty too.
So until he stops swinging between divided loyalties and takes a stand for himself and them proudly, how can he possibly give any assurances to Nandu? And isn't it sheer trust on Nandini's part that she understands his dilemma perfectly and yet has complete faith in him to resolve it and fight for them when the time comes. Isn't this already an indication of just how far they have come?

As an audience we had no interest in the merger episodes so we wanted the fusion concert instead.. then we had even less interest in the social campaign track so we wanted the fusion concert even more.. But just consider, without the proper buildup even if we had the fusion concert tomorrow, what would it achieve? If we really want all the loops to have an organic resolution then how can we insist on an abrupt immediate solution just because we don't have the patience to sit through the gradual character progression? These characters are evolving, every new situation forces them to re-examine their choices and that is how they learn and grow.. At the end of the day, every external are merely means for MaNan to gain more insight about each other.. which they do, with every single conversation, with every single episode.. isn't that the purpose of the story anyway? Then why are we so fixated on a "high point" when there are so many regular points along the way to simply cherish and enjoy..
Also, what good is arriving at our destination, if we spent the entire journey cribbing over the time it took to get there.. kinda feels like we missed the whole point then, doesn't it?😉



awesome post...u told everything what i want to say in such a better way..

word to the bold part..😛
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: nneeiill


Earlier I was very confused as why fusion concert is so important for Nandu when MaNan already understand each other so well. Why Nandu is so fixated on this HOPE for their relationship??But is it really HOPE or INSECURITY ?

When the game of hope vs hate was made it was a foregone conclusion that they will sing together but when Dhruv came into picture the whole equation changed...even Manik did not expect it ...remember the episodes where Nandu gets restless and so lost thinking whether manik will again choose his friends over her...??? yup thats when her insecurity kicked in all over again..

So, I think more than hope... fusion concert is a way for nandu to get over her insecurities regarding manik...she still has the fear that if/when a cross road comes.. Manik might always end up choosing his friendship rather than love ...so in a way she needs this fusion concert ...to sing along with Manik... to reassure herself . She needs it pretty badly...even though they are pretty much back together...coz otherwise she will always be insecure about the relationship..

In other words she wants Manik to fight for them... 😳

I think what is making viewers disconnect is the overuse of the word "hope" by nandu instead of focusing what her actual concern is ?


do share ur views guys:)


Hi5 Saamya...I so agree with you...for Nandini more than hope it's like a need to overcome her insecurity of being pushed away for his friend Dhruv. Manik always gets so blinded by his friendship with Fab5 ke he like blanks out Nandini at that moment...and she is left thinking what is happening. It's been so many times now that I think she feels confused as to where she stands in his life. So that HOPE of hers is a lot more than just fulfilling that challenge. Also, like you said the overuse of the hope word is beginning to irritate some of us as we all know there is no need to hope any longer as Manik is the one trying to make her hope win, so what does that mean...her hope has already won na???
Edited by MasakaliRani - 10 years ago
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@masakaliRani -
Now it's their hope which they both are fighting for . The sustainability of their relationship. Like nandini mentioned - her fear is that whenever they are together, something bad happens. Musicana, V-day. Manik understands that hence he said they will win this for their hope by overcoming - no sacrifice, MU ,heartbreaks.

Her hope started with just making him smile , like he said when he gave her the challenge.But now it's their hope for happiness and happier times together which they have been denied every-time they got together.

Like 13th explained- the context of this"hope" kept changing, which is no extrapolation but a reference to the changing dynamics of MaNan equation since Manik dropped that challenge to her.


During the Soha track when she had no idea where she stood in his priority list because he kept berating himself for being with her. She who loved him and thought of giving him the less pain which was by going away , since it harmed his thing with fab5. This could be understood when Nandini explains Abhimanyu's going away to Manik during the bench scene.

But now she is being selfish for them because she knows he needs her always, just the scene of him breaking before her is enough to say everything.

Communication- last time they never understood each other's POV or even communicated their fears. This time they are letting each other know everything, give that support and are trying to see the other POV as well.


Last time Manik had a different idea about Soha , this time Nandini is ambiguous about Pandit ( even the viewers are) . He had the fab5 stopping him from walking away , she has Ams reference, familiarity , teacher tag stopping her. Also Nyo playing the tricks. Parallels again.

But unlike the last time they worked as individuals, this time she is asking him to be there and make it right for them for their moment. They understand the other's MO. There is a repeated mention and context to his anger, she is looking for tangibles to connect to his doubt for Pandit.

For rest how this track concludes and the loops are closed we will have to let it play. 😆



Edited by charminggenie - 10 years ago
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@masakaliRani -

Now it's their hope which they both are fighting for . The sustainability of their relationship. Like nandini mentioned - her fear is that whenever they are together, something bad happens. Musicana, V-day. Manik understands that hence he said they will win this for their hope by overcoming - no sacrifice, MU ,heartbreaks.

Her hope started with just making him smile , like he said when he gave her the challenge.But now it's their hope for happiness and happier times together which they have been denied every-time they got together.

Like 13th explained- the context of this"hope" kept changing, which is no extrapolation but a reference to the changing dynamics of MaNan equation since Manik dropped that challenge to her.


During the Soha track when she had no idea where she stood in his priority list because he kept berating himself for being with her. She who loved him and thought of giving him the less pain which was by going away , since it harmed his thing with fab5. This could be understood when Nandini explains Abhimanyu's going away to Manik during the bench scene.

But now she is being selfish for them because she knows he needs her always, just the scene of him breaking before her is enough to say everything.

Communication- last time they never understood each other's POV or even communicated their fears. This time they are letting each other know everything, give that support and are trying to see the other POV as well.


Last time Manik had a different idea about Soha , this time Nandini is ambiguous about Pandit ( even the viewers are) . He had the fab5 stopping him from walking away , she has Ams reference, familiarity , teacher tag stopping her. Also Nyo playing the tricks. Parallels again.

But unlike the last time they worked as individuals, this time she is asking him to be there and make it right for them for their moment. They understand the other's MO. There is a repeated mention and context to his anger, she is looking for tangibles to connect to his doubt for Pandit.

For rest how this track concludes and the loops are closed we will have to let it play. 😆




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@Charminggenie - Loved what you have written and it makes a lot of sense too. Yes the meaning of their Hope has changed along the way...but I have to admit, that maybe they need to stop using it too much. Nandini who is mostly positive all the time and is mainly the one supporting Manik is now the one in need of that positivity and support. Her fear of losing Manik again is eating her away and the added tension of all that is going on is slowly breaking her bit by bit. This Fusion Concert somehow seems to be her light at the end of the tunnel. A start for a new beginning for them and also like I said a reassurance that Manik will not sacrifice them for his friendship...rather he will find a way to balance both his relationships.

What is good is that they are both communicating with each other now, about what they are feeling...what is troubling them...just being more open with one another. This was missing earlier on...and it wasn't because their love or trust was weak...but because it was done more with the intention to protect one another and unfortunately, that lack of communication landed them here. So in turn these sequence of events have given a lot of growth to their relationship as well as the strength to make it last...and like you said they are now working towards it together. That alone takes away half the burden!! 😃

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