Young love portrayal in KYY-your take? - Page 2

Originally posted by: BoxedIn

Very well-put.

I loved how you pointed out the differences between the three couples in the show. The NavShad scene stands in stark contrast to the way MaNan are progressing, and the issue of teen pregnancy will bring this discussion out into the open. This is a youth show, and I for one would love to see a young couple, who love each other, have a mature discussion about this and then take the step. It's a good way to promote sexual awareness without the moralistic stand that most of desi tv seems to take about these issues.

Realistically too, Manik-Nandini know very little about each other. She knows nothing about his family, his personal likes and dislikes, nothing except for his relationship with Fab5 and his general character. He knows about her family background because he'd done a full background research on her during the 'Spot' days, but even he hardly knows about the kind of life she'd led before coming to Mumbai, or what her interests are. I'd love to see them date, and get to know each other, because that is the only way we the audience will get to know about them too. Plus Manik is sexually experienced, Nandini is very new to physical intimacy and has grown up in a conservative background on top of that. She's actually very open-minded when you look at it, but their intense physical attraction justifiably scares her and she does not want to be impulsive about this.

I don't think she wants to start from scratch as such, that's not possible. Maybe she meant they need to strike a balance between physical intimacy and meaningful conversation, which Manik's raging hormones are preventing them from doing right now. Her timing and wording was not the best today, but once he calms down and she explains herself, this should be a very mature way of showing a healthy teenage romance onscreen.

Originally posted by: desilawyer

Good post. Very well written and thought through! I agree with everything you have said.

Thank you for liking and sharing your opinions.😊

One of the reasons why I got hooked to this show is that it is in touch with reality. Yes they do take cinematic liberties but they never play around with issues that they youth are being faced with today.

Yes, that's something I have felt since quite some time now that the show has its ethics in place. How they showed Manik breaking-up with Alya first before he started giving in to his and Nandu's chemistry. And how Nandu was reminded of Alya and she stopped him and then he immedietely lets her know that the two are not together anymore. That's the first time i felt that the show has its own moral compass. Other examples of doing something right was when Noyonika addressed the crowd and said it was a private moment between two individuals which should not have been witnessed by anyone. You know but the only thing that irks me is that they never showed a realisation on Cabir/Mukti or the entire Fab 5's part about the torment Shahid went through. Yes they had their pranks covered and he would have been rescued, but he still deserves an apology or atleast some realisation/making up scenes between him and the rest. I know he's not that integral to the plot, but they showed him chuckling when Cabir's video was leaked out. And he was not wrong in expressing that emotion. But again he's the same scared guy when Manik

pours cola on his head. He was shown as weak never being able to stand up for himself.Though Harshad was shown as crossing extremes in his desire for revenge, whether it was justified or not, shows that he was not weak as Shahid. Shahid kept quiet. Harshad did not[even though he must be wrong]. They should do that even if its in a very small way like by bringing it up in a conversation about their realisation that they did cross a line in case of Shahid even though it was meant to be a prank to begin with. And while now Cabir doesn't roam around with a camera all the time and he's our dear beloved Cabir-a true friend and a Manan shipper, shows that he has grown and learnt his lesson, but still when they showed Manik pouring the contents on the can on Shahid, it looked like some of his old fear of Fab 5 still remains.

How we behave, our moral compass, our idea of what we can or cannot accept is largely dictated by the society we are brought up in, by our surroundings. And we should be very proud of that. Intimacy is a very sensitive issue and could blow up in one's face and ruin one's life if not handled or nurtured properly - case in point Navya.

I don't know. As i said, yes there are certain general codes of moral conduct prescribed by society which might have been put in place for a good reason, but still morality is subjective because what is immoral for one, the another will see nothing wrong in it. It becomes a matter of perception and changing times. For eg...let's take a simple example dress code..now at many places people adhere to a dress code and those who don't follow it are not seen in a good light. While others to whom a dress code is being dictated might find it a curtailment of their right to express themselves in the manner they want to.Now, nobody will try to understand the reasoning behind their respective viewpoints, because each one is trying to enforce one will's on another instead of trying to find a middle ground. So blinding accepting the morality prescribed by the society is not acceptable or possible. One will have their own respective moral compasses while keeping the societal norms as the base.

But yes what i agree upon is Intimacy in teenagers/youth is a sensitive issue as is their age and their emotions at this point.

I would also like to add that sometimes when a young relationship goes wrong and hearts are broken, it can lead to the girl putting up false bravado and becoming the aggressor - like Mukti. Harshad cheating on her was so impactful that she has slotted all the men (minus Fab3) into one category, that they only want one thing and that if they have no problem sleeping around then neither does she and because she has been doing it for so long, it is hard for her to accept the refreshing change that is Abhimanyu. She cannot believe that he does not want her for her body. They have not shown us her story in full but it is clear that Mukshad were intimate (to whatever extent) when she was quite young and it was her first love. and he cheated on her thereby breaking all illusions of love. Making her into this person who uses offence as the best defence to protect her heart. Who needs to take anti-depressants to forget about the trauma of her heartbreak, which we all know is worse when one has crossed first/second or all bases. Her outlook towards men has further damaged her life and she does not realise that yet. and many girls go through this.

oh i forgot about Mukti completely. Good that you pointed it out. love your observation and analysis of her state. hmm..you know closing your heart to romantic love coz of a bad relationship is bad..but being open to love without learning from your previous mistakes and still committing the same is equally bad. Mukti went on a self-destructive spree. Physical intimacy did not hold any meaning for her anymore. It just became a random meaningless thing to be engaged in. Her

complications about being physically intimate are different. It goes on an emotional level.Yes she doesn't realise that it's a common thing. Maybe because they are living in their own world of Fab 5. And hell they are not even out of college. What can we expect from them.

Which is why in a show like KY2, a character like Nandini is very important. her moral compass is what guides her. she isnt afraid to speak up and say no, because she is not comfortable with something. she is not ruled by the pressures of society but in fact, she is very proud of her upbringing and has faith in it.

"she isnt afraid to speak up and say no, because she is not comfortable with something. she is not ruled by the pressures of society but in fact, she is very proud of her upbringing and has faith in it."

She isn't afraid to speak up..damn right you are. She said no when she was offered alchohol saying she is not into it. No amount of peer pressure/the fear of being laughed at/the fear of not fitting in could cajole her into doing something she did not think was right. Infact she did not have any of these fears which a lot many have coz as you rightly pointed out was very proud of her upbringing. She is very secure in herself and has no complexes and keeps quoting her 'ams'

teachings without the fear of being ridiculed so unlike Navya who tried to change herself to fit in, to make herself suitable in Harshad's eyes.

I loved it how you pointed out her strength of character about not succumbing to the pressures of society but having faith in her upbringing.

So we see the dual nature of general society we live in. On one hand, laying down rules of morality and at the same time exercising societal pressures.

Originally posted by: eveline

Awesome post...👏 and believe it or not...you took away my topic today!! I swear on Fab 5 I was gonna write about this and this only...wow...u n me do think alike or feel alike!!😆 Great minds n all!!

thank you. coming from you..it feels good. I believe you..i have seen that happening a lot on this forum. so many times people thinking alike.

But no...damn no...was my response when i read that i took your topic away. And its your turn to believe me now that I did not like doing it. Had i known i would have exercised restraint in posting mine coz I am a fan of your 'way of expression'. The way you can word everything, I can never. Coz the clarity of your thoughts and the coherence of your expression, the glue with which you join your ideas together, is something i have always found very impressive. So let my post even if its on the same topic not hold you back from saying whatever, each and everything that you have to say on it. anyways lesson learnt. and do believe me..Nandini promise..i tell the truth.

Handling physical intimacy on a telly show is always tricky...add to the mix that its in a country like India, as much modern as its traditional and the cherry on top, its a youth show firmly anchored on reality...BAM...that's such an explosive scenario...I sincerely feel bad for the cvs.

Yes maybe that's what Fab 5 and Nandini represent-modernity and tradition-and the show showing the coming together of two-achieving balance-the sensible happy way to live one's life in changing times. But that's what Indian culture has been about-being tolerant and accepting impressions from other culture making it their own-atleast that's what history lessons/theory said.

Yes the CVS have to put in lot of efforts to achieve this balance. And that too, coming from no other channel but MTV. It is surprising yet truly commendable..

Lets face the facts, the gen x has a very different view on physical intimacy...its natural, its a given and a part of a relationship's progression, nothing to be ashamed or embarrassed about, they take it in their stride. But a lot depends on your individual background. We all are mirrors of our upbringings, we reflect what we have seen as we were growing up!! Our morals and values are a gift from our families, we might not even be aware of accepting these gifts but they do change our moral outlook.

ditto..to everything you said. Even if they have not seen all this while growing up the exposure that the advent of techology has brought-be it the web, or the changing cinema or television scenario, they become aware of a lot more even before they have actually experienced it. And that also influences to some extent their sense of right/wrong. Peer pressure to fit in will always be there. Once upon a time, friendship/relationship with opposite sex was strictly looked down upon, then after some time it kinda became a status symbol and every youngster had to have a romantic interest,somebody to flaunt to the rest, but now slowly its becoming natural. I think people fell in love all the time whatever generation they belonged to, its just that the age-limit to get into a proper full-fledged relationship[not to fall in love or have crushes] has lowered. While the same age group two decades back might have shown restraint, for gen x, its a natural and acceptable thing, as you said a part of every relationship and of growing up.

I think till now, the balance has been beautifully maintained in KY2 #respect!! On one side they have shown how physical intimacy is a very integral part of love, how proximity in romance plays a pivotal role in any love story and we wont have it otherwise. Yes, physicality is a very integral part of love and its high time we accept it. Attraction is indeed the first ,basic and primary stage of love.

Yes KY2 is 'balance'. you know i noticed this difference between Indian cinema and hollywood cinema. That although attraction was the first thing between the protaganists, they practiced restraint, got emotionally attached first and then give in to their attraction. It was love first and then physical intimacy a expression of the love. While Hollywood cinema showed attraction leading to physical intimacy which then led to development and discovery of their emotions/love. But now i guess Indian cinema is also changing in its portrayal of love or has changed already.

Having covered this base gorgeously with Manan, they have established another fact with Navshad...the partner in the deed is very very important. Whether he/she is right or wrong, do you know him, or are you being blinded or bull dozed by love,..and the most important...consequences of your deed. Loved the way they sent out the message, naturally and casually that protection is a must...awesome cvs..love you for that!! But then went on to highlight that protection is not the final word and things can go wrong, so give it a thought before you take the big plunge. A big huge thank you from my side to team KY2 for stressing on this aspect of intimacy. Navya's plight is a huge eye opener for one n all I bet!! A very sensitive issue for now is being aptly handled.

Agreed completely!

And today took the cake, when Nandini, albeit hesitatingly, spoke up about her inhibitions with Manik. I was cheering all the way!! And if it would not have cropped up between them, I would have been sorely disappointed. Lately the last two episodes, had me puzzled as to why suddenly the intimacy quota had been amped to such an extent, and the text messages on the phone and today's conversation clinched the matter. The cvs are taking this exactly where it would go if a guy like Manik dates a girl like Nandini. Lets all be aware that is in a relationship, you are not comfortable with the physical aspect, pause, think and instead of being pressurized into something you might regret, speak up, discuss, talk about it with your partner. If you are mature enough to get into a physical equation, you should be mature enough to handle it too.

Everything that they show in KYY is for a reason, to be revealed later.

If you are mature enough to get into a physical equation, you should be mature enough to handle it too.

Wow..this line has power..drives the point straight home without any confusion. Reiterating tgat you put your thoughts across so clearly.

The Manik Aliya equation...was perfect. Looking at how long they were dating, and how young they started and their strata of society, theirs was natural and obvious.

To me nothing jars or sticks out like a sore thumb, each and every equation makes total sense.

hmm..it does..doesn't it.

I am absolutely loving how the different cases of intimacy have been portrayed and handled in this show. Loving it till now coz its real, its the truth out there, and they are not embroidering the truth.

Their story-telling is like your writing-real, true and with no embellishments, always enabling us to take away the point/meaning that was conveyed.

I told you..i love your way of expression. Your writing is effortless, succinct and smooth, with no hiccups, no redundancy. Very effective..each and every sentence conveying a point.

Thank you for your response. By now you know its valued, appreciated and waited for by everyone on this forum who has ever read your posts. 😊