language barriers?

ok frankly ... it is not cool to comment about others language, sonali dsnt make sense most of the time even though she speaks in hindi ... now suppose I go on a rant n diss her accent n say she needs to go learn to speak properly first n then open her mouth or stfu ... im sure alot of ppl here would be on my case for disrespecting her n her language even accuse me of dissing the hindi language overall! just like national patriotism, national language is also a sensitive matter !

my topic is about upens accent, spoken hindi and others saying things like upen misunderstandsbeasily due to language barrier!


somebody else here previously has mentioned shilpa shetty ... her accent, lifestyle, looks, culture everything was targetted on big brother ... and indians from uk n india, as well as other countries rallied for shilpa n took it as a personal insult on themselves their language etc ... ppl are always so proud of their language n culture they will go to any lengths to defend it!

coming to bigg boss .. almost every season has had a foreigner or a person whose command of hindi language isn't so strong ... last year for example hazel elli & asif .. even salman made fun of asif n elli's lack of hindi vocab ... even though he n contestants didn't mean it in malicious way, but why is it acceptable n written off so lightly to make fun of others language?

hindi is not a universal language infact english being regarded as common universal language is still not spoken by each & every human being on earth .. within the vast range of indian communities there are so many dialects, or suppose they (indians) travelled overseas n due to distinct indian accent and either lesser and/or no knowledge of that countries' native language .. how would ppl like it if somebody keeps telling them first learn our lang properly then talk?? im sure they wouldn't take it so lightly would they!

I coming from a multracial country, indians being 2nd majority population wise, yet there are atleast 4 major nationally recognised languages and that excludes english language, plus there are numerable dialects also within the different ethnic groups ... but iv never faced an issue of discrimination against any language, infact the hindi we speak is different from india hindi, we do not use shudh hindi its more of a pidginised/hinglish language!
so does this mean, if I come to india or when people from india come here, should we be singled out because of unfamiliarty of language??


btw .. this is a geniuine question I had been meaning to create a thread on for sometime, finally did today, criticisms are welcome but within reason .. and no bashing or getting personal please!

completely agree...after all language is just a medium of communication...can be shudh/ ashudh depending upon perspectives...if Upen and Gautam understand each other well then there should be no question of language barrier..

Originally posted by: memad

completely agree...after all language is just a medium of communication...can be shudh/ ashudh depending upon perspectives...if Upen and Gautam understand each other well then there should be no question of language barrier..

exactly .. the point is that we can still manage to convey what we have to express orally!

iv noticed this same issue from past seasons too, finally thought to raise it!
thanks for your input!

I understand where you are coming from and will give you benefit of doubt that this is not another way to make digs at GG.

brilliant post👍🏼...no one shud be singled out becoz of unfamiliarty of the local language I feel bad for Upen now...though I dislike Upen like anything on this show but off late people are being unfair to him...yes the guy has a problem communicating fluently in hindi but why mock him every now and then for his accent and language issues...isn't this a form of bullying😡🤢 the reason he is so pissed off with Gautam now is becoz just last elimination episode he got to know what does his so-called bhai thinks about him🤢 Gautam se fight ki toh he is being tagged as desperate for footage when their very own Gautam goes about instigating people and then playing the victim card for the very footage🤢🤢🤢

I think more than a language barrier, Upen has a problem with enunciating and articulating himself even in English. His words come out so garbled as if he has a mouthful of marbles. It's very hard to understand him. He definitely doesn't speak the Queen's English.

Originally posted by: Picasso9

I understand where you are coming from and will give you benefit of doubt that this is not another way to make digs at GG.

I also come from a country where we Indians speaks 'kitchen' Hindi.that is so atrocious and we make such a kachumbar out of the language, mixing up male/female etc.

The difference her is not whether Upen is being insulted or Gautam is insulting, my perception is that Upen brought up the term 'doublespeak', which is part of any language.

Gautam said during the task half in Hindi and English that let the best friends do the task, why should we. That was very direct and very honest. In fact Upen didn't even react until Arya interpreted for him and Arya interpreted with the intention of bitching to hide their own inadequacy es friends to Sushant. The statement pricked Arya but he needed company in his misery.

Now when Upen accused Gautam of doublespeak upon Arya's instigation, Gautam tried to explain to him that that is not what he meant and the Upen clearly misunderstood because of his limitations with the language. The explanation that there was no taunt present was not acceptable to Upen and he wanted to extend the fight that's why he furthered it with English/Hindi, mannerisms and then Soni issue.

Any reasonable person would give benefit of doubt that yes I could have misunderstood because of a language barrier but Upen was not ready to concede because he was already riled up by Arya plus he now needed to save face.

A lot of the firangi's come to the show saying they need to learn the language. When learning a language, most common is to learn slang and swear words from friends or even get ragged for poor grammar etc. if one is this sensitive about shortfalls and cannot laugh at themselves then that's that.how much time does Upen spend with Gautam for Gautam to constantly tease him or be on his case about language? Not much. So the question of. Gautam singling him out is unfounded. In fact this is the first week Upen has emerged from his blanket so what opportunities did Gautam have to single him out.

firstly, I appreciate you giving me benefit of doubt .. this thread is strictly about language barriers on bigg boss present and past seasons .. I have NOT mentioned gautam anywhere, and I hope responders keep that in mind and dont turn thus into a gg bashing thread!

I get ur meaning by 'kitchen hindi' ... happenes in my life daily, I totally relate to you on that!

I agree with you on arya's part of misconstruing what was said by gautam, I also agree upen should have taken a moment to reflect the perhaps he has misunderstood or tried to seek a clarification on same ... infact I also got confused why upen used word 'doublemeaning' ... I admit he used wrong word here n totally misunderstood what gautam said ... however, I can & am willing to give upen a slight benefit of doubt, because of what soni said in wkv, and we have seen upen on previous occassion questioning gautam about same, it is apparent that upen is under the impression that it was what gautam puneet n praneet had talked about n bringing up bhai-behen thing that lead to that caller questioning them about their rishta n possibly audience too! upen obviously has taken this personally against gautam, infact I cant fully blame him either coz he dsnt know what was shown, he is only going by what soni voiced out! arya might not have misconstrued gautams words with same intention to instigate, but because wkv issue is still fresh in upens mind, so he naturally jumped to that conclusion that again gautam must have said something misleading again!

how much the two have interacted is anybody's guess, so yes naturally that close bond is not there between gautam n upen, infact both has harboured some grudges against one another because :

a) they dont interact much so unable to fully trust each other ... this is gautams complaint too that he gives more importance to his friendship with upen but upen does not reciprocate in same manner & quantity!

b) because of ^^^ above, other ppls opinions and voiced issues (soni & arya in this case) has done the work of creating and increasing the misunderstanding between the two ..

frankly they should privately talk it out ... or just let go of all grudges against each other (which wont be so easy to do)

on a lighter note ... although my partner n I both speak hindi n english, he is gujrati n I on many occassions have mispronounced words, some have even led to me being embarrassed as my mispronounced word had ulterior meanings 😆 .. trust me he & his family dsnt miss a beat to tease n make fun of me left right n center ... infact. he started teaching me his language from swear words first, n till today I still cant speak a proper gujirati sentence 😆
so yes learning any language is not easy, mistakes are bound to happen, and person learning should also maintain a sense of humor about it!

Originally posted by: TheBigTamasha

brilliant post👍🏼...no one shud be singled out becoz of unfamiliarty of the local language I feel bad for Upen now...though I dislike Upen like anything on this show but off late people are being unfair to him...yes the guy has a problem communicating fluently in hindi but why mock him every now and then for his accent and language issues...isn't this a form of bullying😡🤢 the reason he is so pissed off with Gautam now is becoz just last elimination episode he got to know what does his so-called bhai thinks about him🤢 Gautam se fight ki toh he is being tagged as desperate for footage when their very own Gautam goes about instigating people and then playing the victim card for the very footage🤢🤢🤢

thank you for your response!

yes mocking another person for language is a form of bullying ... although I have not take gautam's word personally in this case n I dont believe his intention was to mock upen ... however I will say, it would be appreciated if gautam dsnt keep reminding upen in every convo, of his (upen's) lesser understanding of hindi language and usage! because regardless of that upen still is able to communicate his prespective, and gautam also is able to understand what upen is trying to say .. and also vice versa!

on a side note, maybe coz my own mothertongue hindi is such a kitcheri, but I have no issues when it comes to understanding upen, infact I might not fully understand gautam's n other hms usage of words sometimes, but I do get the overall meaning of what everybody says on bb

for relevance on rest of ur comment .. im copy pasting what I wrote about that issue:
I agree with you on arya's part of misconstruing
what was said by gautam, I also agree upen
should have taken a moment to reflect the
perhaps he has misunderstood or tried to seek a
clarification on same ... infact I also got
confused why upen used word
'doublemeaning' ... I admit he used wrong word
here n totally misunderstood what gautam
said ... however, I can & am willing to give upen
a slight benefit of doubt, because of what soni
said in wkv, and we have seen upen on previous
occassion questioning gautam about same, it is
apparent that upen is under the impression that
it was what gautam puneet n praneet had talked
about n bringing up bhai-behen thing that lead
to that caller questioning them about their
rishta n possibly audience too! upen obviously
has taken this personally against gautam, infact I
cant fully blame him either coz he dsnt know
what was shown, he is only going by what soni
voiced out! arya might not have misconstrued
gautams words with same intention to instigate,
but because wkv issue is still fresh in upens
mind, so he naturally jumped to that conclusion
that again gautam must have said something
misleading again!

Originally posted by: Picasso9

I think more than a language barrier, Upen has a problem with enunciating and articulating himself even in English. His words come out so garbled as if he has a mouthful of marbles. It's very hard to understand him. He definitely doesn't speak the Queen's English.

i respect ur opinion, but I disagree slightly, I dont think collequiel queens english is actually used now, the royal family chooses to continue using it, but overall english spoken on common terms/laymens language has been modified with times ... as iv stated on this post in another comment, maybe because I am a foreigner n my limited hindi vocab, I have no issues understanding upen whether he speaks hindi or english, it is likely that because he has a distinct and heavy british accent when he speaks in hindi also he's words are slurred and makes it difficult to understand him, another point is the translation of english to hindi, he may be able to articulate what he means to say but when he voices it out it gets garbled because he is constantly thinking if this is correct hindi translation or not n likewise when he cant figure out what the hindi word is n switches to english there again he is thinking whats the word to use n ends up saying or using the wrong words!

that's not a big deal, as even I have same issue sometimes, infact hindi is my mothertongue but its not my 1st language its actually my 3rd language!
ok lemme give example, when deepshika used word immature instead of amateur, when a person has 1language they are strong in say vernecular and another minor or 2nd language like english which they arent very strong in, it happens often that we cannot immediately whilst speaking, find the right word to translate .. we end up using wrong word, or the entire meaning of what we can articulate in our mind in vernacular language but its difficult to translate directly in english because there is no specific word for it in another language so we have to think of a word or sentence closest in meaning to it!
this is very reason why it is said to never attempt verbatim translation of vernacular language to english or another language, and vice versa!

on lighter note ... if you have seen bol bachan, ajay devgans dialogues were verbatim translations hindi to english ... n we know how ridiculously hilarious that turned out 😆

Actually mujhe toh kabhi acchi tareh samaj hi nahi aata ki woh bolta kya hai, chahe Hindi ho ya English!! 😕