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Posted: 10 years ago
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Very well written. I also want Pakhi to grieve first and get over her loss and then fall in love.

Btw, it's so good to see the crew back from Amrit Manthan days!!!. I love reading all of your comments guys. Like the Amrit Manthan forum, while this forum may not have as much participation as some of the really crazy ones, the quaility of what is written here can't be found anywhere else!!! Great job everyone!!'''''
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Payal - below is the Dhola - Maroo story from Wikipedia

"The Dhola Maru story is deeply rooted in folklore and oral traditions. The story related work is available in prose and poetry as well as in mixed form also. 'Dhola Maru ri chaupai' a book composed by Jain monk Kushallabh in 1617, in which he writes that the story is old one. some manuscripts in 1473 also describes about the story. 'Dhola Maru ra doha' is the edited text by Kashi nagari Pracharini sabha.

Story

Rajasthani Version:

This is a love story of Narwar prince Dhola and Poogal princess Maru. The couple is married in their childhood. Later the father of Dhola, the king Nal died and he forgot the marriage and married again to Malwani. Many messages sent form Maru to Dhola but all messages bumped off by Malwani.

A group of folk singers from Poogal visited the Narwar and Dhola learned about his first wife Maru. Now there comes a lot of hurdles from Malwani and Umar Sumar (who was keen to Maru). He arrived at Poogal and Dhola and Maru were united at last.

In return journey, Maru is bitten by a snake and in sorrow Dhola decides to burn himself as 'male sati'. But he was save by some yogi and yogini who claimed that they could bring Maru back to life. They played their musical instruments and brought back Maru to life. Umar Sumar again tried to kill Dhola, but however they escaped from there riding back on the wonderful flying camel and the couple along with Malwani lived happily ever after."

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: un786

Very well written. I also want Pakhi to grieve first and get over her loss and then fall in love.

Btw, it's so good to see the crew back from Amrit Manthan days!!!. I love reading all of your comments guys. Like the Amrit Manthan forum, while this forum may not have as much participation as some of the really crazy ones, the quaility of what is written here can't be found anywhere else!!! Great job everyone!!'''''


Thank you un786 for your kind comment 😊

Please feel free to comment and share your views when you visit this forum.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: abhiyaswaron

When true love is considered , you cannot fall for someone else .. thats all I'll say..


Abhiyaswaron - Pakhi has never experienced true love thus far. Her feelings for Anshuman were a result of years of "mind control" or brain wash since she was a child. Child- bride's like Pakhi do not know what love means when they get married, in fact at that age they are not aware of what marriage means either. The adults with whom they grow up mentally train them to accept their child-husband as the only male in their life and using mind-control methods make the child-bride (Pakhi in this instance) believe that she truly loves her child-husband.

I know there are several people who believe that the child-bride's love is true and she should not let any other man enter her life when she becomes a widow. That is why it is important to educate other child-bride widows and the population in general that it is OK for them to remarry. It is OK for them to step out of the brain wash environment.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: anonee


Abhiyaswaron - Pakhi has never experienced true love thus far. Her feelings for Anshuman were a result of years of "mind control" or brain wash since she was a child. Child- bride's like Pakhi do not know what love means when they get married, in fact at that age they are not aware of what marriage means either. The adults with whom they grow up mentally train them to accept their child-husband as the only male in their life and using mind-control methods make the child-bride (Pakhi in this instance) believe that she truly loves her child-husband.

I know there are several people who believe that the child-bride's love is true and she should not let any other man enter her life when she becomes a widow. That is why it is important to educate other child-bride widows and the population in general that it is OK for them to remarry. It is OK for them to step out of the brain wash environment.


I agree that she must have initially been brain washed as she was a kid.. BUt what about the things which happened when she stepped inside the Rathod mansion.. Even if she was brain-washed, she actually fell for Anshuman ... And her love was so strong that it changed ANshuman and it made him fall for Paakhi too... Please watch Ankhi scenes in the Rathod Mansion, Singapore etc.. You'll realize what I am saying..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: anonee

Payal - below is the Dhola - Maroo story from Wikipedia


"The Dhola Maru story is deeply rooted in folklore and oral traditions. The story related work is available in prose and poetry as well as in mixed form also. 'Dhola Maru ri chaupai' a book composed by Jain monk Kushallabh in 1617, in which he writes that the story is old one. some manuscripts in 1473 also describes about the story. 'Dhola Maru ra doha' is the edited text by Kashi nagari Pracharini sabha.

Story

Rajasthani Version:

This is a love story of Narwar prince Dhola and Poogal princess Maru. The couple is married in their childhood. Later the father of Dhola, the king Nal died and he forgot the marriage and married again to Malwani. Many messages sent form Maru to Dhola but all messages bumped off by Malwani.

A group of folk singers from Poogal visited the Narwar and Dhola learned about his first wife Maru. Now there comes a lot of hurdles from Malwani and Umar Sumar (who was keen to Maru). He arrived at Poogal and Dhola and Maru were united at last.

In return journey, Maru is bitten by a snake and in sorrow Dhola decides to burn himself as 'male sati'. But he was save by some yogi and yogini who claimed that they could bring Maru back to life. They played their musical instruments and brought back Maru to life. Umar Sumar again tried to kill Dhola, but however they escaped from there riding back on the wonderful flying camel and the couple along with Malwani lived happily ever after."



Hi Anonee

Thank you soo much for the explanation. I thought it was a saying or a Phrase not a story. Yes the story is similar to Pakhi-Ansuman's but unlike the story the happy ever after in Pakhi's case lasted for a very brief moment.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: abhiyaswaron

When true love is considered , you cannot fall for someone else .. thats all I'll say..


Abhiyawaron - I completely agree with you that what Pakhi-Anusman had was very real and very very special.

But I have to disagree that you cannot care for someone else ever again.

Normally this would happen after a while once the person has grieved and come to terms with their loss but this is Indian Soaps so everything is fast forwarded.

There is an old saying ... you cannot live on love alone...

love like everything needs to be nurtured and grow and evolve just as a person grows and evolves with time. If Ansuman had lived Pakhi-Ansuman love and relationship that was in Singapore and when they returned would not have been the same 5 years later. Don't mis-understand me I am not saying they would not love each other but its expression would have changed.

Unfortunately Ansuman is not there anymore because of that ganchaakar Aryaman. His memories and possessions can provide comfort/solace to Pakhi but it cannot fill the gap his presence has left in her life.

Pakhi is very young - in her mid to late 20's I think. Is it fair to expect that she spends the next 40-50 years of her life alone - no one to talk to about her problems, worries, no one to share her joy or sadness with, no one to comfort her when she is scared or worried, no one to take care of her when she is ill. Yes she has Ayaan but a child (no matter what age) can not take place of a partner/companion.

IMHO its a myth that you cannot never love again. You can care for another person whilst still cherishing the memories of the person you have lost because the 2 relationship will be different because the 2 individuals are different. It requires a level of maturity and understanding on both sides but it can be done (that is what we have in Veer - maturity and understanding of Pakkhi's sentiments)

I loved Pakhi -Ansuman story but I feel this storyline is very important in breaking the mindset / changing perception about second relationships (lust, being unfaithful to the person who has died, replacing the person who has died) that exists in the vast majority of the Indian population. So often when someone's husband dies the family is more concerned with keeping alive the memory of the person who died, making sure that they are not forgotten (which to an extent is right) at the expense of the need of the wife who is still alive. But if a man's wife dies and he chooses to remarry than its accepted. Please don't mis-understand me I am not arguing about equality.

But I do feel that the rigid mindset I have explained above traps very young women into a life of widow who has to remain in the shadow on good occasions because they are considered to be a bad omen, who have no right to have any wishes, desires who are treated as unwanted, a burden that has to be borne by the family and in old age quite often mis-treated.

If this storyline manages educate one person to understand/accept that under the right circumstances and with the right person second relationships can be flourish and can be to the betterment of all then its worth telling.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: abhiyaswaron


I agree that she must have initially been brain washed as she was a kid.. BUt what about the things which happened when she stepped inside the Rathod mansion.. Even if she was brain-washed, she actually fell for Anshuman ... And her love was so strong that it changed ANshuman and it made him fall for Paakhi too... Please watch Ankhi scenes in the Rathod Mansion, Singapore etc.. You'll realize what I am saying..


Her behavior was typical of a child bride she waited for 18 years repeating the mantra "tumhari pakhi" even though the society in which she lived never did the same to Anshuman by brainwashing him to say "tumhara Anshuman" and remain loyal to Pakhi.

He committed bigamy not once but was willingly to do it twice. He would have happily married a second time but for the media's interference. He knew then that if he married anyone other than Pakhi he would land in jail. So he reluctantly with the sole aim of divorcing married her. Of course even then Pakhi true to the "mind control" inflicted on her looked at Anshuman with the same love in her eyes as she did when she was at Singapore. Please look at Anshuman and Pakhi's wedding scenes and you will see how true I am!!

Anshuman to add salt to the injury flaunted openly with Tanya - even then Pakhi true to the "mind control" inflicted on her looked at Anshuman with the same love in her eyes as she did when she was at Singapore. Please take a look at Anshuman and Pakhi's scenes and you will see how true I am!!

Keep watching and you will hopefully empathize and realize what a burden these child-brides carry - for such "mind control" tactics take lifetimes to erase.

I realize from many comments on this forum that many feel that child-brides whose husband never bring them to their marital home, or whose husbands commit bigamy, or who are widow should never even think of marrying another man.

I realize that many in the forum want the child brides to remain true to the deep psychological teachings ingrained in them as a child and remain loyal to their child-husbands under all humiliating circumstances. But I consider this wrong thinking and hopefully so do the CVs. So I hope that Pakhi comes out of the delusion that she "only loves Anshuman" - imposed on her since childhood in the most demeaning way to all womanhood!


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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: payal7


Abhiyawaron - I completely agree with you that what Pakhi-Anusman had was very real and very very special.

But I have to disagree that you cannot care for someone else ever again.

Normally this would happen after a while once the person has grieved and come to terms with their loss but this is Indian Soaps so everything is fast forwarded.

There is an old saying ... you cannot live on love alone...

love like everything needs to be nurtured and grow and evolve just as a person grows and evolves with time. If Ansuman had lived Pakhi-Ansuman love and relationship that was in Singapore and when they returned would not have been the same 5 years later. Don't mis-understand me I am not saying they would not love each other but its expression would have changed.

Unfortunately Ansuman is not there anymore because of that ganchaakar Aryaman. His memories and possessions can provide comfort/solace to Pakhi but it cannot fill the gap his presence has left in her life.

Pakhi is very young - in her mid to late 20's I think. Is it fair to expect that she spends the next 40-50 years of her life alone - no one to talk to about her problems, worries, no one to share her joy or sadness with, no one to comfort her when she is scared or worried, no one to take care of her when she is ill. Yes she has Ayaan but a child (no matter what age) can not take place of a partner/companion.

IMHO its a myth that you cannot never love again. You can care for another person whilst still cherishing the memories of the person you have lost because the 2 relationship will be different because the 2 individuals are different. It requires a level of maturity and understanding on both sides but it can be done (that is what we have in Veer - maturity and understanding of Pakkhi's sentiments)

I loved Pakhi -Ansuman story but I feel this storyline is very important in breaking the mindset / changing perception about second relationships (lust, being unfaithful to the person who has died, replacing the person who has died) that exists in the vast majority of the Indian population. So often when someone's husband dies the family is more concerned with keeping alive the memory of the person who died, making sure that they are not forgotten (which to an extent is right) at the expense of the need of the wife who is still alive. But if a man's wife dies and he chooses to remarry than its accepted. Please don't mis-understand me I am not arguing about equality.

But I do feel that the rigid mindset I have explained above traps very young women into a life of widow who has to remain in the shadow on good occasions because they are considered to be a bad omen, who have no right to have any wishes, desires who are treated as unwanted, a burden that has to be borne by the family and in old age quite often mis-treated.

If this storyline manages educate one person to understand/accept that under the right circumstances and with the right person second relationships can be flourish and can be to the betterment of all then its worth telling.

I agree with you on the fact that you cannot live alone... Just one thing, its was no the indian mentality which should force Paakhi not to marry someone else, ideally if you truly love someone, you wouldn't be able to even think about anyone else.. Its just that circumstances have made it necessary for Paakhi to marry Veer as Ayan needs a father... If she marries him for dat reason, its practical.. SHe can admire Veer and become his best friend, but she can't love Veer like the way she loved Anshuman.. Her dialogue "TUmhaari Paakhi hi banke rahoongi" on Anshuman's death explained it all..

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