Five points to ponder

Okay random weekend musings again in response to all I have seen in the forum ...

No one truly likes the turn of events post the death of Hussein ... me included. I know it is full on NR, however, I wanted to give 5 points to ponder on what is bothering folks ...

1. Blame only on Jodha ... Yes the dialogue writing was sloppy as it has been multiple times before ... And yes, given I have nit-picked on dialogues before, I will not stop you. It is wrong for Jalal to blame only Jodha.

However, I am not sure which one to believe - the dialogue between Jodha-Jalal or the soul talk ... Because the soul talk clearly had a sense of shared responsibility and guilt ...

Jalal said: For us, that night of love had darkened ...
Jodha said: There was nothing left to bond us ...

Not once did Jodha say - you (Jalal) have thrown me out of your life ... Or blamed me. It was about how together they lost what they had and Jalal had lost his heart.

And even in the war, it is clarified that Jalal's first "enemy" was God ... He was not taking anger on the Rajvanshis because of Jodha. And to be honest, he was taking out his anger on the enemy because they were an enemy- not because of who they were.

2. Does Jalal not know how to be a support to Jodha? Everyone is quick to state that Jalal was not there when Jodha needed him the most ... But, what about the Jalal who was a rock to her at the death of Haasan?

So, what has changed?

- Jalal is broken by both guilt, pain, and sense of betrayal
- Jalal no longer believes in anything including God, Love, and Jodha

A person who has faith in nothing, including God and himself, what will he support anyone else? However, is it his fault he has faith in nothing?

Has he done it intentionally not to be a support Jodha? No, it has his pain that has reduced him to this state. And we can argue how one can turn into this in pain ... and I am sure Jalal probably did not degenerate it like this ... but there are others with grave loss who have. Remember Aamir Khan's character in Talaash?

So, how can a person who has lost faith in everything be able to support anyone?

3. If Jalal is not God's, then how can he be Jodha's? Everyone is questioning how Jalal could leave Jodha , but when Jalal has left everyone including God, then how can he be Jodha's?

4. The case of Chittor. I do not know the "facts" of Chittor ... likely no one ever will. However, I feel it is unlikely it was done out of personal revenge for the twins. I have read multiple sources that say Jalal did take a mannat to go to Ajmer after winning ... so, it shows this war was not a challenge to God.

But, is this the only NR we have seen ...
- We have seen the greatest warriors of all time .. In chains during the mirchi war
- We have seen the momentous abolishment of the Hindu tax reduced to a tug of war between two begums?
- Is it that much of a stretch that the CVs have decimated the siege of Chittor as a tale of personal vengeance?

But, the violence of Chittor is true. We also know that Jodha was with Jalal after this siege ... So there must be some way she understood Jalal and the violence that happened there.

5. Salim ... his arrival and what it means.

I am a little weary of hearing this point of Jodha as a baby production machine ... I find it more insulting to Jodha than anything else. If the baby was all he wanted, why did Jalal not just be with any woman to get a baby after this tragedy ... is it all just about the baby?

No, it is not about just getting a baby ... it is his loss in faith that this God will ever let him receive this happiness.

Or else, he would have just gone to all the other women in an attempt to get a baby. However, he did not ... he shut himself completely.

What does this mean? If there was love, it was only with Jodha ... If there is no love, there is nothing ... and that is the state Jalal is currently in. A state of nothing but hatred and bitterness ... that will not allow him to understand God, support Jodha, or have faith in anyone or anything.

I can understand the starting point- a loss of Faith in everything ... I can understand the end-point a Spiritual Journey ... and the middle the CVs have taken the most gruesome path to explain ... there was a simpler way, a war at Chittor was not needed. Which war have the CVs shown to show this one? I for one , will never ask for a war scene again.

This is not the first NR, nor it is the last ... we have survived in the past and we will survive again.

Originally posted by: tamy267

Divi can I hug you?🤗

Yes, you can ... and if there is one person I was thinking about when I wrote about this post ... it was you 🤗

1. I personally dont think it was a blame...haan, main manti hoon at first go I was taken aback for a while but later when I thought about it and I felt it was not an accusation...u know Jalal or Jodha were not in such state to hurl accusation...they were so much in pain that these blames, anger, accusations, hurts were out of the picture...these were not in their minds! it was only that their act of love took away their son Hussain...thats it!

about Rajvanshi..no he didnt wage war for being Rajvanshi but for being his enemies and for disobeying his orders...JA dialogue writers' main fault is they r trying to make this war look like Mughals Vs. Rajvanshis.

Dialogue writers are terrible ... and often they show conflicting viewpoints .. the soul talk showed a completely different picture

2. this is not the realJalal what we r having now Divi...this is a different Jalal who lost faith in everything...support? woh kya kisika support banega jab woh khud toota hua hai? I remember once Salima said, when Jalal is in deep pain he locks himself and claims to be heartless...this is what we have...and this time its the limit..its the worst..har kisika tareeka hota hai to grieve and this is his way!

Yes, he is broken himself so how can we expect him to support

I admit, its wrong..very much wrong...he is lashing on everything that is rising his anger..I too thought JJ will come closer after this personal loss..but CVs threw a googly to us and seeing the Chittor War I understood why this googly.

It does seem wrong and I am sure the real Jalal was not like this; but one thing for the reel one, how can I judge someone who has lost two children and faced so many betrayals?

3. he is not in himself either!

4. Ekta tried to justify the War which has actually no justifications..even Akbar's court chronicles couldnt justify it!! so u can understand what a brutal war it was...I read some facts about this war..from that I am saying this...khair, I think she should have simply skipped it...mujhe laga tha she will, after showing a too positive Akbar..but she dared to show it and that too with her own manner using children death...child death ko lana thik nahi tha...ab hum kya kar sakte hai??😕

Yes, it is terrible ... Ekta should just stay away from wars. But do check the PM I sent on the chronicles and let me know what you think.

5. I dont think anyone need to prove Jalal's love for Jodha..it is as pure as their souls r.

like I said in my previous point this war shouldn't have shown if Ekta couldnt do it properly...main dekhna chahti thi yeh war par iss tarha se nahi.

Yes, It is sad to see that people think the love story is gone ...

Originally posted by: munnirony

thnks divi for this post. i agree tht jalal's thinking is wrong & i will certainly not support him for tht. but comments like, " jalal's love was fake", "jalal wants jodha's body just for a waris" hurts me a lot. i mean whts the need for jodha for a waris??? he has several other women in his harem & if they cant produce baby, he can marry 10 other women for a baby. he can also go to salima as well for change, bcoz though unwillingly, but she was also ready for a physical relation. which king will go door to door or cry buckets just to get sumone's body??? after jodha drunk poison he cried for her in front of god, to whom he was showing off??? & if he wanted jodha for a waris only, he never would have distanced himself from her, rather he would have done 5-6 more SRs with her till she gets pregnant again.

Originally posted by: divyavm

Thanks Shreya ... yes, there is a saying " throwing the baby with the bath water" ... that is what is happening here ... with the dirty "bath water" everyone is throwing out the baby we have grown to love

I think this track is showing only one thing- if there is love , there is only Jodha, or there is nothing

Jalal has no one or nothing

Originally posted by: JennyKryan

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i must say ...very deeep thinking 😆

Likely too deep for what the CVs write 😆

bt 👏 amazing post !! n agree with u .. i mean wht all u have mentioned thts actually the truth ...he was angry at God nt at Jo ! bt honestly speaking i dont want salim;s arrival sooo soon yaar !!

Thanks ... let us see how the CVs take this forward

Originally posted by: munnirony

look i had always said whether jalal is gud or bad, his love for jodha is always true & same goes for jodha as well. though i dont believe it, but still even if he is blaming jodha, its certainly not from heart. people r behaving as if he had abandoned jodha & enjoying his life with ruku. common, if jodha isnt happy, he isnt happy as well. he is definitely wrong & he will pay for it as he had always paid for it, but tht doesnt mean he just wanted jodha's body. this comment is actually insulting jodha, more than jalal.