JA Oct 13|Hussein Under the Damocles' Sword, Updt Abhay P12, Oct14 P11 - Page 20

Originally posted by: history_geek

Radhika,

I am not enjoying this VIP treatment to Ruqs..Off late, she has started to appear unbearable to me..

Abhay, "of late only"? she has always been unbearable to me...

Today, her cries before Hb and SB were way too much..
She speaks as if she is the UTMOST authority in Agra. And she has her way always..😕

And why not? When no one opposes her, obviously, she feels she is the most authoritative figure... even Jalal cannot say anything to her...Jodha will just grovel in front of her...the rest will submit silently to her...If I were in her place, I would be just as puffed up with ego at having the entire Mughal sultanat at my feet.

Hussein died much later. But his death has been investigated and the guilty killed also. But what about Hasan's death? No one cares to investigate that because Jodha didn't shout and scream for justice when he died.

So, we are getting a war with Jalal in OLD Mode...

But, Why do the CV's need to spoil JJ relation, deliberately.?. > Perhaps, to churn more TRP;s...

I can't believe that he has been reduced to a typical man who simply blames his wife for anything that goes wrong. Everyone has been clamoring for the return of the old Jalal. I was willing to half-heartedly accept the old Jalal, thinking that his equation with Jodha would not change. But if he is going to forget his part that night and blame only Jodha, as if she had come seduced him, and thus shown herself o be a careless mother, I wish Jodha never goes to him ever again. Such a man deserves to remain childless and without the love of a wife all his life.

The CVs spoiled JJ's relationship to give Jalal an excuse to be barbaric in war. And to put the blame on Jodha for not only being a careless mother but also turning her husband into a ruthless person.

Tomorrow, seems a full on prep for war is starting... Hope this one is shown in a better manner with good execution..

Whatever the CVs may show now, I hope they don't show Jodha crying for Jalal or begging him to turn into a human again. She should simply ignore him and tell him to go to hell.

When Hamida told her to apply tilak, Jodha should have told her that she couldn't care less if Jalal died in the war. A man who cannot stand by his wife doesn't need her prayers.

Radhika..today they killed JA and thr love story..its an insult to real MUZ and akbar...and thr love story..if he was so in pain he cud hav said that thr love killed thr baby..he said literally do u accept that u killed my baby...wat does it mean..both are equally responsible for this...but easliy put the blame on jo and seperated her from his life..u think 3 yrs isnt too long..wen jo refused to forgive jalal during sujamal track how he was shattered.. every time mistake was his only..every time jo has been tested again and agian..y such discrimination...y he easily put the blame on jo and torturing her... he is not worth for jo and her love..she after this also she stood beside him..she was always loyal to her from day one..but see wat she got in turn..that she killed her own babies..she killed her own flesh..

I dont want to see love story at this cost..even he proved that he is a bloody male like others... he never loved jodha ..just wanted to sleep with her.. lusted her slept with her..since rukku is not capable in giving heir he needed jodha..so he used her ..he got babies..wen they died he blamed her..wen fault was his and his bek..he allowed his cousins without secutiry check..his bek used everyone for her own audha..his bek insulted him in dek...he had forgiven her..coz she is a mughal and his blood..wat was jodha's mistake..coz she went to see him..at that time this fellow who was half drunk and his harmones made him sleep with her..and later on easily blamed jo..whr was this so called father wen hassan was poisoned during jashan..whr was this so called father wen zeenat tried to kill hussain on day one..if javeda was not thr hussain wud hav died long back..

over all ..today he failed as a so called lover..so called husband..so called father ..who blamed his own kids mother as the reason of thr death..he failed as a king..as an emperor..he failed as a human... over all mere liye ab wo zinda nahi hai..mere liye aaj love story ki death huyi hai...actually love story kabi ti hi nahi..its only one sided..from jodha's side..how this jo had fallen for this so called human.

even khaiber was far better than him

he was not loyal to her from day one..first he lusted..later got attracted to her..slowly he thought his heart started beating for jo..later on made jo fall for him..now he got waaris he was happy..his kids died coz of his dumbness and his bek and close friend and so called relatives..y only blaming jo..is jo a baby giving machine or care taker..showing all shit and crap in the name of epic love story..making fun of real life JA...he doesnt deserve jo... he deserves only people like maham rukku adham sharif and many more..

aaj ke baad jalal jeevit nahi hai mere liye... let him cry or beg or do nautanki like his bek nothing works out..its only one sided love story..jo loved such a monster who dont deserve to be called as a human.. aj puri tarah se love story ki death huyi hai..

i feel better jo to give talaaq to jalal and marry to some handsome rajvanshi... he is unfit ...today he failed as a human..today he showed and proved to everyone that he is a mughal..that's y he didnt punish rukku... he proved jo that she is hari huyi hindu.. aaj dikadi ki jo ek hindu hai uski mazab ki nahi.. aaj dhuniya main jalal ke liye koi pehchan hi nahi bacha hai...

Originally posted by: Gem12

Radhika..today they killed JA and thr love story..its an insult to real MUZ and akbar...and thr love story..if he was so in pain he cud hav said that thr love killed thr baby..he said literally do u accept that u killed my baby...wat does it mean..both are equally responsible for this...but easliy put the blame on jo and seperated her from his life..u think 3 yrs isnt too long..wen jo refused to forgive jalal during sujamal track how he was shattered.. every time mistake was his only..every time jo has been tested again and agian..y such discrimination...y he easily put the blame on jo and torturing her... he is not worth for jo and her love..she after this also she stood beside him..she was always loyal to her from day one..but see wat she got in turn..that she killed her own babies..she killed her own flesh..

I dont want to see love story at this cost..even he proved that he is a bloody male like others... he never loved jodha ..just wanted to sleep with her.. lusted her slept with her..since rukku is not capable in giving heir he needed jodha..so he used her ..he got babies..wen they died he blamed her..wen fault was his and his bek..he allowed his cousins without secutiry check..his bek used everyone for her own audha..his bek insulted him in dek...he had forgiven her..coz she is a mughal and his blood..wat was jodha's mistake..coz she went to see him..at that time this fellow who was half drunk and his harmones made him sleep with her..and later on easily blamed jo..whr was this so called father wen hassan was poisoned during jashan..whr was this so called father wen zeenat tried to kill hussain on day one..if javeda was not thr hussain wud hav died long back..

over all ..today he failed as a so called lover..so called husband..so called father ..who blamed his own kids mother as the reason of thr death..he failed as a king..as an emperor..he failed as a human... over all mere liye ab wo zinda nahi hai..mere liye aaj love story ki death huyi hai...actually love story kabi ti hi nahi..its only one sided..from jodha's side..how this jo had fallen for this so called human.

even khaiber was far better than him

he was not loyal to her from day one..first he lusted..later got attracted to her..slowly he thought his heart started beating for jo..later on made jo fall for him..now he got waaris he was happy..his kids died coz of his dumbness and his bek and close friend and so called relatives..y only blaming jo..is jo a baby giving machine or care taker..showing all shit and crap in the name of epic love story..making fun of real life JA...he doesnt deserve jo... he deserves only people like maham rukku adham sharif and many more..

aaj ke baad jalal jeevit nahi hai mere liye... let him cry or beg or do nautanki like his bek nothing works out..its only one sided love story..jo loved such a monster who dont deserve to be called as a human.. aj puri tarah se love story ki death huyi hai..

i feel better jo to give talaaq to jalal and marry to some handsome rajvanshi... he is unfit ...today he failed as a human..today he showed and proved to everyone that he is a mughal..that's y he didnt punish rukku... he proved jo that she is hari huyi hindu.. aaj dikadi ki jo ek hindu hai uski mazab ki nahi.. aaj dhuniya main jalal ke liye koi pehchan hi nahi bacha hai...

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Gem,

Sorry, my phone charge was totally over, so couldn't reply to your message.

I agree with you that Jalal behaved like a typical man today. Is it any rule that a woman cannot wish to spend time with her husband after she becomes a mother, that her job is only to give a waris and take care of that waris?

Would Jalal have dared to behave like this with Ruq if Hussein had died in her custody? Just because it is Jodha, he is being so abusive.

Personally I feel he is feeling guilty about that night and trying to justify to himself that he was not in any way responsible for Hussein's death. He is looking for a scapegoat and he found one in Jodha. All the anger he is projecting on the outside world is basically anger with himself. For somewhere having failed to protect his babies. The war - it is an outlet for him to divert his guilt-ridden mind and be able to live with himself.

The reason why he is not able to be normal with Jodha is because she is a reminder of that night . Looking at her, he remembers how he failed as a father. Which irritates him because he has always prided himself on being successful and he doesn't know how to handle failure.

What he doesn't realise is that anger cannot remove the guilt from his heart. Only accepting the guilt can remove it. And why should he feel guilty or make Jodha feel guilty? It is perfectly alright for a couple to find comfort with each other after a harrowing experience / shared grief. If not then, Hussein would have died some other time. Since he was destined to die.

Remains to be seen how the jallad is again transformed into a man and brought back to Jodha.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

@Abhay, Sindhu, Neetz, Charu, Priya, Ayushi, Lasya, Donjas...

Sorry, I was tied up since yesterday...have quickly seen all posts now...You have all had wonderful discussions... 👏 Really missed it ...

We are back to square one today - ruthless Jalal, selfish, shameless Ruq and at the mercy of all Jodha. What a pity - what a turnaround for the EPIC love story...

Men...find it so easy to blame women for everything... After Jalal accused Jodha, she should have asked him if she had forced him to spend the night with her...if he was so worried, why didn't he go to Hussein that night...what steps did he take to protect Hussein after Hasan's death...why he had allowed Ruq to appoint Zeenat as the dai for Hussein...why Ruq sent Zeenat to her hojra when Jodha was fully capable of feeding Hussein herself...why he was absolving himself and Ruq of all guilt and pinning it all on Jodha?

If Jodha has any shame / self-respect still remaining, she SHOULD NOT try to reform Jalal this time around. Let him realise his mistake and come begging to her himself. Let her give him the cold shoulder and maintain her dignity. She DOESN'T NEED him. He needs her.

Man Singh ... another man...with no sense of where his loyalties should be...He is in Agra because of Jodha...But he is ready to stick to Jalal even if Jalal walks all over Jodha.

Hamida...a woman who has no idea who needs support and when. Instead of asking Jodha to take care of Jalal, she should have asked Jalal to take care of Jodha...Instead of consoling Ruq, she should have gone to console Jodha...Does she think Jodha has no feelings and her only task is to take care of JAlal, even if he humiliates her instead of supporting her?

What was Hamida thinking of when she forced Jodha to apply tilak to Jalal?

The problem is that I will blame Jodha only for bringing this situation on to herself. She has been too noble so far, adjusting and going out of her way and putting her feelings on hold and pandering to everyone's whims and fancies. The day she turns a ruthless warrior herself, then both Jalal and Ruq will come to their senses.

The whole idea behind the intimate encounter between AkDha seemed to be to pin the blame entirely on Jodha, make her feel guilty, glorify Ruq, give an excuse to Jalal to wage a cruel war. Way to go, CVs! 🤢

Originally posted by: MPMANU

Bold@ Akka aren't you also doing what Jalal is doing?😆

Akka I also wanted Jo to become her warrior self. Enough of taking in crap from all. I want her to expose Ruks true face in DEK. I so want her to put a sword on Jalal's neck in public and tell what you have said above.

Originally posted by: Neetz

Hi Radhika Di,

Nice post.😊

I am again left with mixed feelings here.

I also wanted the old Jalal back but not at the cost of change in his personal equations with Jodha especially. I am not bothered about Ruk. I have just one word for Ruk-OTT. she's OTT in everything she does.

CVs have turned against history once again. There's the confusion of the three year leap as well.😕

I didn't like Ruk putting all the blame on Jodha so to see it coming from Jalal was even more annoying. Moreover, she was accepting all of it without a word in protest. Ok I understand she's shattered but still. Wouldn't she have been more hurt seeing Jalal blaming her too? Even if we later see that he didn't mean it and was just lashing out at her for he felt at home with her. If he loves her, it doesn't mean he too starts treating her like a doormat. Here we were all waiting to see him take a stand for Jodha and shut Ruk up too but nothing. I hated the cold shoulder he gave to Jodha and drawing the curtain on her face was 🤢. I was pained to see Jodha who was already devastated but still came to him out of concern but what did he do? Instead of being her strength, he is blaming her. This was the time when they should have been with each other and that is how it was na. I hated seeing him abusing Jodha. Blaming everything on her as if he wasn't there. If he so wanted Jodha to be with Hussein then he should have firmly told her to go to him or get Hussein there too but he didn't so his actions and blames aren't justified.They both are feeling guilty here, so instead of the blame game, they should have come together and supported each other. Take each other out of that guilt and strengthen their bond. I had said this in my last post that CVs showed their 2nd union so that they can show them wallowing in guilt. This should have been something to be treasured and not regretted.

I like this Jalal, a mere mention of whose name struck fear in the hearts of his enemies, but not at the cost at which he came. Not at all. This Jalal was very much needed who was ruthless and brave as well as benevolent and kind. That balance I so want to see will come later on hopefully.

There's another side to this too. Many on the forum share these thoughts too.

All this guilt and anger is nothing but a farce for he is in pain too. He is deliberately saying such harsh words to Jodha and keeping her away for he loves her and perhaps he is scared now. He has lost way too many people he has loved and now his kids too. Probably it's his insecurity that is giving rise to this behaviour of his.You tend to say harsh words to the people you love when you are in extreme pain.He is hurting himself by hurting Jodha. He is hurt and shattered beyond imaginable points. He has been stabbed in the back time and again by his own relatives. This must hurt. This is probably even harder for him than Jodha because he has been dealing with loss, treachery and pain since his childhood whereas Jodha hasn't. She has always been treated with love and has been protected by her family in Amer and now Jalal is doing that for her in Agra. I am not saying her pain is any less just that Jalal has been bearing the scars for vey long now. His patience has gone for a toss.She has never been subjected to conspiracies, deceit and hurt.He is venting out his anger and frustration at others. He has failed as a father which he isn't able to accept. The war is also to divert his mind nothing else. He can only be at peace with himself when he accepts that what has happened was destined to happen even if he and Jodha hadn't spent the night together. He has to come out of that guilt alongwith Jodha, who is blaming herself big time at the moment.

I somehow couldn't miss the evident longing in the tilak scene. As much as both of them were against each other, they were still one. I say so because he literally shouted like crazy(it was funny though) when Ruk offered to do the tilak saying only Jodha will do it as it has always been her. He wants none other to take her place even in a small case like this. Similarly, Jodha did his tilak when HB asked her to do it for her husband's safety. This is because she still loves him and cares for him even if they have grown apart for a short time. Somewhere I think she understands the reason behind his harsh words.He was momentarily shocked when Jodha cut her finger and looked shaken when he turned to leave.

P.S. I am not justifying his cruel words here. Just putting up a different POV.This is CVs way of depicting 'epic love'. From hatred to love and back to hatred now to make way for love again. This isn't epic from any angle now.

Originally posted by: RadhikaS0

Purani,

No, if you think about it, my thinking is different from Jalal's. 😊 God I hope I never think like the Jalal we saw today.

He is blaming her because he doesn't want to feel guilty.

I am blaming her for letting herself be a doormat to a husband who is using her as a scapegoat to rid himself of his guilt. I want her to stand up and tell him to his face that he can go rot, for all she cares.

😊 Akka, it's just a joke...you are still unhappy.

Now its not about Ruq. I never bothered too much about Ruq nor do i intend to do so now. She is a side character for me like Salima.

It's only about a woman's self-respect. And her rights as a wife. What the CVs are doing is not only killing history but also shredding a woman's self-respect and marital rights. I can forgive them for the former but not for the latter.

Akka, is it really 3 years have past by coz I did not see it when reading the written update. About history being killed , this is just small thing, as this is serial. Indian history have been killed long back before...I dont want to elaborate on that. About woman's self respect, I suggest we should wait and watch. I dont think Jodha is going to sit quietly. She was not in end scene. Since, Jallad is here, it will be only fair for ghrina phase Jo is back.

I feel very strongly about how a woman is portrayed and perceived.