Criminals and their piety

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amare_ashy

@amare_ashy

Dazzler

Posted: 11 years ago

#11

I didn't like it too.. I was so put off by it that I stopped watching the episode after that scene..

I mean, it's a dabba for goodness sake and how much would he earn? And to con someone who sometimes may not even have money to make ends meet is downright insensitive I feel and then to thank a deity after that...? I don't even know what to say... Not saying that coning rich people is okay though..

I mean Seher was suppose to be smart right? I don't see that after this... And this con-women concept in the initial stages was interesting but now it's becoming like a common pickpocket type of thing.. I wasn't impressed though her antics may be funny...

On another note, I think she probably didn't have anyone by her side while growing up and she probably set her own morals and values and thus, her values are such that makes her insensitive. I remember the time when she was about to take the wallet from the car, she actually saw the man with a child and maybe that stopped her from taking it cos probably somewhere deep in her heart, her childhood abandonment and sufferings she might have gone thru sticks on to her. This is not to justify her conning activities because as you read above I was disgusted as much with it in today's episode but this is another way of looking at why Seher behaves the way she does.. She puts herself before others and looks for her needs before others but when it comes to kids, she mellows - like the scene at the orphanage.

Apologies it went out of topic but oh well, I just wanted to write what I felt somewhere! Hahahaha

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SheAish

@SheAish

Voyager

Posted: 11 years ago

#12

Originally posted by: .Serendipity.
I didn't like it too. It's so true, they always show the negative characters thanking god or gloating about giving them a golden chance...

Thought she had some standards, but no. I agree with you about her being crass. I thought that from the kheer episode. And I agree she def gets a kick out of conning people. I thought at the start she only cons rich people, but I guess that's not true.

She is sorta grey in that way...

All her antics are glorified on this forum though...

I have avoided commenting about the character because seher has been glorified from the beginning. I don't have a problem with her being a conwomen but it makes me cringe that the forum thinks her antics are something to just laugh about. She doesn't steal just to survive. She steals copious amounts of money and stealing such huge amounts from even "seemingly" rich people is still very grey in character. Who knows how many peoples lives she would have already turned upside down and how many of them were actually rich.

Ofcourse since the part is played by SJ its hard to be objective for the forum but what ever the back story is how things are right now she really is a pretty grey character and should be considered as such. I also don't like the fact that her con-women behaviour is shown to be OTT comedy by THE SHOW because this is the reason that some of us are so in awe with the character. The way seher is portrayed gives a bad message to the society and has glamorized stealing.

They could have shown her stealing people just to survive and targeting bad characters specifically with her comedy antics so she does not come across as so grey, but as it is after a couple of scenes I have been pretty much FF her scenes.

Having said this I think SJ is doing a fabulous job playing two characters at the same time and I appreciate seher just the way i appreciate AG' as Tanveer ie well played character.

Bracing for the onslaught of hate. sigh

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

Stunner

Posted: 11 years ago

#13

Originally posted by: MrDarcyfan
I think they are taking it too far. She was not shown as petty before. She always goes after rich people. Now she will steal from anyone?? What sort of con women is this? She is not a petty thief after all?

Yes all these criminals and their connection to God?? What is the deal with that??

Yes, she was after rich people. But what about how she intended to con the Agarwals? They have no heir and give their money to charity and charity cases. She was planning on conning them out of money. With the kheer I knew she was crass and just did things for the heck of it. But when she planned on conning the Agarwals, I went--well there goes the idea that she doesn't go after 'good people.'

She is a petty thief if we are using the wallet incident as an example of her principles regarding stealing. Her not stealing that wallet in the car, had to do with promotions for another show. But even then...look, she was about to steal it. It's just that she got that voice, which is not an occurring thing. So she didn't do it simply due to the voice. If not for the voice, she would've done it. And she's done it before. Either we can ignore this incident and not count it, saying it's a promotional scene. Or, if we include it in Meta, then we would have to take into account that she was going to steal that wallet as if she's done so many a times.

As soon as she told Rehan she would pay and took the money from him in Friday's episode, I knew she would try to cheat the bill. I though maybe make an issue regarding the bill amount, but I knew she planned on doing something.

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

Stunner

Posted: 11 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: .Serendipity.
I didn't like it too. It's so true, they always show the negative characters thanking god or gloating about giving them a golden chance...

Thought she had some standards, but no. I agree with you about her being crass. I thought that from the kheer episode. And I agree she def gets a kick out of conning people. I thought at the start she only cons rich people, but I guess that's not true.

She is sorta grey in that way...

All her antics are glorified on this forum though...

@bold. Though there's some reality to it. It's universal that Mafia heads and Underworld dons frequent various places of worship. And I find it amusing really when negative characters go on about piety and talk about God opening doors, as Tanveer does.

Tanveer we know is a negative character. When the vamps and others do it, it's showcasing the irony and their own twisted way of thinking.

With Seher, what she's doing is really the same thing--except her acts don't involve murder and other such heinous doings. But unlike the irony which is apparent with Tanveer and negative characters, people latch on to Seher's piety and take that to mean she is a good person at heart. (Well she is a good person at heart, she goes to orphanages and gives money and all. Though I should add, so do big time criminals in real life.) I'm not denying that she's a good person, but simply because she thanks Bappa and talks to Bappa all the time, isn't what her makes a good person.

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964749

Suspended

Posted: 11 years ago

#15

Yeah I totally agree with you, KK.

Thanking God and having a relationship with God doesn't automatically make anyone a good person.

It is quite ironic and you're right about big time criminals donating to charity. It true.

Seher is basically doing the same thing as them, except her acts don't involve murder. Are stealing and conning good acts in retrospect? Not really.

While I do think it's commendable that they brought out this new concept of the daughter of hero and heroine being a grey character, acts like this puts her in the same category as the villains and vamps.

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

Stunner

Posted: 11 years ago

#16

Originally posted by: sageflower7
I secretly think its leading to a backstory. SHe must have had such a desperately bad penniless time as a child, and taken to praying at a temple, after which her fortunes turned.
So childishly or rather simplemindedly, she thanks her Babba everytime money comes her way, thinking God is sending help her way...

It doesn't excuse it, though.
Swindling that dhaba owner was horrid. Petty.

Agreed. Seemy issue is not that she's shown being a criminal or doing things which cannot be justified. Just like other characters have back stories for their less than steller character and behavior, so does she. In the caseof Hindi serials, those characters are usually male and here she is female.

Aahil has done criminal activities too. His burning the dhabba was an illegal, criminal act. (I will not address the other act of public fornication.) Even if he came ready with the cash to compensate. His thinking was that money could buy him off, as it has done every other time. Everyone has a price. And in some ways, even legally money buys you off through settlements. Howeve, that still doesn't leave aside the fact that he committed a criminal act. And chances are he's done other such things too. Rehan has contacts with Goons, and Aahil's way would have been worse, so Aahil would have had some more shady contacts or dealings.

But it was never shown as an acceptable thing what Aahil did. He was the grey hero. Same way, Seher should actually be acknowledged as a grey heroine. I don't need her to go to jail or such. She can give up her conwoman act and I'm fine. Truth is many people give up their criminal activities, and after all she too came up from a street environment which causes her to be the way she is.

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

Stunner

Posted: 11 years ago

#17

Originally posted by: amare_ashy
I didn't like it too.. I was so put off by it that I stopped watching the episode after that scene..
I mean, it's a dabba for goodness sake and how much would he earn? And to con someone who sometimes may not even have money to make ends meet is downright insensitive I feel and then to thank a deity after that...? I don't even know what to say... Not saying that coning rich people is okay though..

I mean Seher was suppose to be smart right? I don't see that after this... And this con-women concept in the initial stages was interesting but now it's becoming like a common pickpocket type of thing.. I wasn't impressed though her antics may be funny...

On another note, I think she probably didn't have anyone by her side while growing up and she probably set her own morals and values and thus, her values are such that makes her insensitive. I remember the time when she was about to take the wallet from the car, she actually saw the man with a child and maybe that stopped her from taking it cos probably somewhere deep in her heart, her childhood abandonment and sufferings she might have gone thru sticks on to her. This is not to justify her conning activities because as you read above I was disgusted as much with it in today's episode but this is another way of looking at why Seher behaves the way she does.. She puts herself before others and looks for her needs before others but when it comes to kids, she mellows - like the scene at the orphanage.

Apologies it went out of topic but oh well, I just wanted to write what I felt somewhere! Hahahaha

Seher has a back story. I have no issues. In fact, as I said before, part of me feels it may be better that they actually did show her cheating a simply Dhabba owner for a small amount of cash. At least now, they can't back out of the fact that Seher in fact is a street con-artist/thief. She is grey. I have no issues. When heroes can do certain acts, why not heroines.

The issue with Seher is, perhaps because she is female, they try to downplay the wrong in her actions. By using humor, and by using her conversations with Bappa. Whereas when it's male--like Aahil--he was clearly wrong and was shown as wrong. True, he still has yet to be shown acknowledging and feeling remorse for what he he did...but still his actions were still shown as wrong. And even more so, the audience don't try to say he was not wrong in what he did.

No apology necessary even if it was out of topic. But it wasn't out of topic. :P

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ChipChipiBhaalu

@OriginalJuhi_04

Trailblazer

+ 9

Posted: 11 years ago

#18

Even Vikram/Ranjeet kept on saying Lakshmi Maiyya after stealing 4m SM.

If Seher is a criminal then Asad n Ahil r also criminals as they hv done many crimes.

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Tina Saigal

@TIA.Tia

Rocker

+ 2

Posted: 11 years ago

#19

Even I hated this scene. I was like what the hell was need for Seher to steal the petty Dhaba Owner that too for the measly sum of 460. I don't know for what she did it. But it left such a bad taste in my mouth. All my likeness for her comic timing and bad-ass attitude disappeared in just a moment. In one scene she was shown listening to her heart and keeping the wallet of the man back in the car, as she does not wants the Man's children to feel sad for not getting balloons and she herself distributes balloons to the children at orphanage to bring smile on their face. Then she goes and cons a poor Dhaba Owner, who makes his earning from the customers. I mean how much can this poor Dhaba Owners make in a day. They are already living a hard life and to top Seher makes it more difficult for them. She can steal from rich. I have no problem with that. She can con Sheikh, Sethji, Rehaan for all I care. But stealing from middle class people and poor people. A person can't sink lower than this. I don't care why she did it. But CV's are like low-life creatures for showing such scenes in the name of creative liberty. F*** yourself cv's. Next what are you gonna show Seher stealing coins from Beggars' bowl???

Edited by TIA.Tia - 11 years ago

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KhatamKahani

@KhatamKahani

Stunner

Posted: 11 years ago

#20

Originally posted by: angel_juhi04
Even Vikram/Ranjeet kept on saying Lakshmi Maiyya after stealing 4m SM.
If Seher is a criminal then Asad n Ahil r also criminals as they hv done many crimes.

I have already said Aahil is a criminal.😆

I have said I have no issues with her being a criminal or her criminal acts. Hell, I don't even have an issue that she conned that dhabba owner. Nor do i have an issue with her thanking Bappa.

I made the topic since there was the thinking that because Seher has conversations with Bappa, it means she is good at heart. I am not denying she is good at heart. But conversations with Bappa have nothing to do with it.

Asad being a criminal, I wouldn't know. But I wouldn't doubt it. I wonder if his crimes were acknowledged as crimes. To tell the truth a whole bunch of serial leads commit crimes or cover up for criminals. It's the case for all over for soaps, actually. In Hindi serials, it's in the name of 'mahan' or 'self-sacrifice' or some other jaap.

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