Shades of motherhood

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Posted: 11 years ago
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I did not have time to write a take ... but I did want to open a new discussion thread

The Ruqaiyya factor

I know - nobody is liking Ruq's "take a child" wish. The issue more than the "take a child" is the fact that we know Ruqaiyya never truly expressed a want to be a mother ... but MUZ. If the Ruqaiyya who met Jalal today, was the real Ruqaiyya , perhaps I would not have been so upset- but upset nonetheless.

The one good thing is, with this "take a child", Ruqaiyya will have to take care of Jodha. So, we know Jodha and her baby are at least safe for now.

But, sadly even fate knew Ruqaiyya was not ready to be a mother, as the twins will not be there ... and she will also likely lose Jalal completely because of this

Let's wait and watch

But, I would wait to see how it plays out - Jalal was not for it up to today or else Ruqaiyya would not be asking for justice. Did you notice how he clenched his fists in the DEK?

And Jodha, more means, sharing the child as a joint responsibility ... not giving it up. BTW I even liked her "Aap Yahan?" today as her face lighted up in happiness and there was not a question on it.

When the child sharing happens- hopefully, there is a time clause in it and hopefully a counter-clause from Jalal on how it would impact Jalal-Ruqaiyya's relationship. Or just trying banning her from hukkah, she may back-off! 😆

A few thoughts on motherhood

Motherhood is a beautiful experience and only Jodha-Jalal understand its depths. The thing is we know Ruqaiyya will never feel it ... but we know, Jodha always will.

I wanted to share my favorite Rabindranath Tagore ... beautifully describes a Mother's feelings to her newborn.

I had to blank out a few words as I am not sure it was allowed on the forum. Please google it - it is beautiful! I actually thought it was very apt for Jodha.

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The Beginning

By Rabindranath Tagore

"Where have I come from, where did you pick me up?" the baby asked its mother.

She answered, half crying, half laughing, and clasping thebaby to her b----t-

"You were hidden in my heart as its desire, my darling.

You were in the dolls of my childhood's games; and when with

clay I made the image of my god every morning, I made the unmade

you then.

You were enshrined with our household deity, in his worship

I worshipped you.

In all my hopes and my loves, in my life, in the life of my

mother you have lived.

In the lap of the deathless Spirit who rules our home you have

been nursed for ages.

When in girlhood my heart was opening its petals, you hovered

as a fragrance about it.

Your tender softness bloomed in my youthful limbs, like a glow

in the sky before the sunrise.

Heaven's first darling, twain-born with the morning light, you

have floated down the stream of the world's life, and at last you

have stranded on my heart.

As I gaze on your face, mystery overwhelms me; you who belong

to all have become mine.

For fear of losing you I hold you tight to my b----t. What

magic has snared the world's treasure in these slender arms of

mine?"


Thoughts ? Share away. And of course, the likes. 😆

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Posted: 11 years ago
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kya bolu Divi...Ruqaiyya at first emotionally arm twisted Jalal...poor Jalal thought Ruqu was actually upset and felt bad for her...but the best part was he refused her right there! he was adamant at his decision in spite of Ruqu's nautanki...coz snatching a child from its mother is simply a sin! its not bcz of Jodha but bcz of her being a mother.
on the other hand, Jodha understands Ruqu's pain and ready to share her child but simply not to give it away...sharing and giving away r totally different thing...esp. with twins...they must stay together.

I cant believe Ruqaiyya actually dragged that farmaan to DEK in her audha obsession! it is like demeaning Shehenshah in front of his courtiers! now Jalal has to fulfill his promise written in the farmaan as it is official...and Jodha will eventually be ready to give away her child, first, to fulfill Jalal's promise and not letting him down before others, second, understanding Ruqaiyya's "pain".


beautiful poem by Tagore! and a fabulous post as usual.❤️
Edited by tamy267 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wow Divi!
Wonderful post!

I loved the poem!

Ruqaiyya, actually made an interesting character yesterday, while listening to the lori, right towards the end there is a shift in her expressions. Was that sorrow? I know, in the show, her character has been damaged beyond repair, but, could she ever love a child, well the jury's still out on that one. There have been instances when she's been "kind" on children. But, clearly, right now she wants a child solely for MUZ purpose. 😆

Compare that to Jodha, who's motherly to everyone, including Ruqaiyya during the FP. And, if I know anything about her, she might actually give up her child to Ruqaiyya, rapid standing up in DEK in the precap notwithstanding. 😆

But, what about, the father? It was really interesting to watch Jalaal's reaction to Ruqaiyya's plight. This after his, harsh words at the culmination of FP track. Ruq-Jalaal relationship will always be something that would baffle me no matter what, happens. All thanks to wonderful acting by RT and LT. CVs I'll never forgive you for treating this part of Jalaal's story in such a shoddy manner.

It wasn't unheard of for kings to give away their children from one wife to another, Babur had given away Hindal Mirza and Gulbadan Beghum to Maham Beghum, Humayun's mother, after she had lost 4 children, though she had Humayun. So in this sense, Jalaal could possibly have thought of giving away one of Jodha's child to Ruqaiyya. Let's get practical, Jalaal would also in a sense be practical, he may be a king, but, he won't live forever, and Ruqiyya would need someone to look after her and also care for her after him, ergo a child.

But, eventually she had Khurram to take care of. So well she became, Dadi-uz-Zamani. 😆
Edited by rpeez - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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there r few thoughts here nd there tht jalal's no was not convincing enough or he actually agrees with ruku but he dont have a choice. but thts not true. he was totally sure tht a child shouldnt be separated from the mother, but at the same time he cant be rude towards the woman who cant be a mother. he had no intentions to give jodha's child to ruku, its just tht he was sad for his 1st wife & wished tht he can do sumthing for her. thts it.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: tamy267

kya bolu Divi...Ruqaiyya at first emotionally arm twisted Jalal...poor Jalal thought Ruqu was actually upset and felt bad for her...but the best part was he refused her right there! he was adamant at his decision in spite of Ruqu's nautanki...coz snatching a child from its mother is simply a sin! its not bcz of Jodha but bcz of her being a mother.

on the other hand, Jodha understand Ruqu's pain and ready to share her child but simply not to give it away...sharing and giving away is totally different thing...esp. with twins...they must stay together.

I cant believe Ruqaiyya actually dragged that farmaan to DEK in her audha obsession! it is like demeaning Shehenshah in front of his courtiers! now Jalal has to fulfill his promise written in the farmaan as it is official...and Jodha will eventually be ready to give away her child, first, to fulfill Jalal's promise and not letting him down, second, understanding Ruqaiyya's "pain".


beautiful poem by Tagore! and a fabulous post as usual.❤️


beautiful comment. yes jalal didnt wanted to give the child, he was just sad for his best friend. people have to understand jalal & jodha cant be rude to the woman who cant be a mother. this is a sensitive issue. we know tht ruku is lying, but its not possible for jajo to be insensitive.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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beautiful comment. yes jalal didnt wanted to give the child, he was just sad for his best friend. people have to understand jalal & jodha cant be rude to the woman who cant be a mother. this is a sensitive issue. we know tht ruku is lying, but its not possible for jajo to be insensitive.

exactly...I can totally understand both...it is about being mother...and Jalal has witnessed Ruqu's MCs..saare chalbaazi ek taraf aur maa ki mamta ek taraf...he could feel her pain of being a barren woman...ab usko kya pata woh pain nakli tha?😡

best thing was he REFUSED.

but eventually he will find out...dekho Ruqu said repeatedly make the first baby waaris but give me the second baby..shaak ki gunjaish hi nahi😕

on the other hand, Jodha being a woman will feel pity on her..she also witnessed one MC of Ruqaiyya..besides this is a matter of Jalal's reputation and promise also..Jodha certainly wont let him be mocked in front of others.

but I am sure Jalal will find out the real motive behind Ruqaiyya's wish very soon..he is tedha..he will play his game and Ruqu herself will blurt out the truth...he knows Ruqaiyya very well.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: munnirony


beautiful comment. yes jalal didnt wanted to give the child, he was just sad for his best friend. people have to understand jalal & jodha cant be rude to the woman who cant be a mother. this is a sensitive issue. we know tht ruku is lying, but its not possible for jajo to be insensitive.



I have the same view. Ruqqaiyya is acting up like this coz of her status consciousness and her pain of not being able to give her best friend and husband Jalal a "waaris". This continues for long that at long last she got Prince Khurram.

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Posted: 11 years ago
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Wonderful lines on motherhood divya.
Actually I kind of like how the CVs have started this track. It would have been totally distasteful if jalal had asked Jodha in private and she would have agreed to give one of her babies to ruq. I wouldn't have put that beyond the Cvs. Also thank god they didn't end up showing ruq asking Jo and mahatma Jo arguing with jalal to give the baby away.

This ruq Khas begun screaming in DEK is cheap and horrifying exactly what I wanted to see. Everyone shd be aghast at her demanding one baby from a to-be mother. In fact, I would love it if BEK goes one step further and demands the title of muz as her second wish. Wah! That will be amazing. Every person shd know what a petty woman she is.

Jalal clenching his fist and Jodha standing up in horror at the suggestion means we have a interesting track at long last. Phew!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: tamy267

exactly...I can totally understand both...it is about being mother...and Jalal has witnessed Ruqu's MCs..saare chalbaazi ek taraf aur maa ki mamta ek taraf...he could feel her pain of being a barren woman...ab usko kya pata woh pain nakli tha?😡

best thing was he REFUSED.

but eventually he will find out...dekho Ruqu said repeatedly make the first baby waaris but give me the second baby..shaak ki gunjaish hi nahi😕

on the other hand, Jodha being a woman will feel pity on her..she also witnessed one MC of Ruqaiyya..besides this is a matter of Jalal's reputation and promise also..Jodha certainly wont let him be mocked in front of others.

but I am sure Jalal will find out the real motive behind Ruqaiyya's wish very soon..he is tedha..he will play his game and Ruqu herself will blurt out the truth...he knows Ruqaiyya very well.


dekho yaar ab ek woman k liye aaj bechare jalal ne feel kar liya to konsa gunah kar diya???😭 look honestly, BB had done a bigger crime but still jajo feel for her right??? to ab dono ruku k liye feel karte hain to bashing kyun?? zakira was also with benz or nigar also with MCB. so feeling for ruku is not wrong.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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I may be In minority, but I felt more bad for Ruk than I did for Jo JA. As real tragedy of life is not not finding happiness, but not even knowing what makes you happy.
Jo JA are the kind of people who can find happiness in each other and by making sure they do what they can for others. Ruk is immature and has already see a lot in life, loss of parents, no sibling, a friend cum husband who is now sharing his life with another. Not to say that her evil, twisted mind is justifiable - but atleast in this case, I feel sorry that she does not even comprehend what it is to be a mother,and how gratifying that special bond is, largely because of absense of a mother (figure) herself in her life. Jalal atleast had MA (who did care deeply for him). Ruk was devoid of that affection all her life. Her audha, her power , now that is something she has known and experienced.

How can we call someone wrong when they choose what has sustained them for so long over Something they don't even know exists.

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