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Posted: 11 years ago
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Hi Guys,
So I saw the Zee TV episode recap that is posted on the youtube site. In the last segment we see Bhavna trying to talk to Avni about her and Raj's relationship. I was good up until Bhavna asked her "did Raj touch you"

Please define touch. It was pretty clear from the insinuation that Bhavna was most likely trying to ask if Raj and Avni had sex. I don't understand this -

b) even if they did have sex - does that make her a fallen woman?
c) is the biggest concern she'll become pregnant? - anyone hear of birth control?

What is the cultural hype with virginity?! Its a constant double standard - girls so much as look at a guy - she's one of "those" types of girls. Guys can do what ever they want of course.

Sorry for being so crass but things like that really bother me - it perpetuates a double standard and sends a message that being a virgin is the end all be all - no wonder society treats victims of sexual abuse like they have some sort of diseases - its so sad :(
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Posted: 11 years ago
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* Keep in mind that Avni is still very much a young girl. And that was why the family was shocked to learn that she was very much in love with Raj instead of being infatuated with him.

* Many families still practice the tradition of wanting their children to remain pure until they are married.

From what I gathered, social norms are very much important aspects in their culture. So Bhavna wanted to make sure that Avni still practiced certain customs despite being in love.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: gamespy

* Keep in mind that Avni is still very much a young girl. And that was why the family was shocked to learn that she was very much in love with Raj instead of being infatuated with him.


* Many families still practice the tradition of wanting their children to remain pure until they are married.

From what I gathered, social norms are very much important aspects in their culture. So Bhavna wanted to make sure that Avni still practiced certain customs despite being in love.


First off, thank you for your response. I do have a few points to say in regards to your thoughts.
With all due respect - while I understand what you are saying, I'm more concerned with WHY society puts such an emphasis on remaining "pure". What does that even mean?

From a biological standpoint if we're referring to the hymen remaining intact - in most cases its seen that activities like swimming, cycling, gymnastics or even dance can rupture the hymen - not sure what the big importance of having that remain intact really achieves.

If 2 people are committed to each other, really care for one another and want to take their relationship to that level - that should only be their decision and prerogative. Why must society judge them?
Why does premarital sex have such a stigma? Why does society put such emphasis on virginity?
If a girl is not a virgin what ever the reason leading up to that maybe - does that make her any less of a person? Why must she be labelled "bad" or "fallen" or "easy" because she is not a virgin?
Those are the questions I'm trying to find answers too.

Do share your thoughts guys!
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Well remember, older people follow certain traditions and they would like their children to follow suit.
The young of couples of today seem to practice a lot of things such as sex before marriage so older people will definitely not agree with those ideals. However, they also tend to not treat relationships as seriously as the ones from years ago. So as much as young people nowadays say that they are in love, the older adults would like to make sure that they are fully aware of what they are doing and not behaving in a childish manner.

It's a clash of different generations because both will see their methods of living as the right one to have while fully disagreeing with the other one.

When it comes to premarital sex, many people still agree with the custom of a man and a woman remaining virgins until they are married. For religious reasons, societal reasons, they have their reservations in regards to it. And there is nothing wrong with people still upholding that ideal.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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what is wrong, is wrong..
in our society and culture pre-marital sex is not permitted.. and a family like khandelwals wont go against it.. even avni wont..
but as she is still young enough and can go on the wrong track therefore its a duty of her mother to know

plus, having sex is not only and only avni's business...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: gamespy

Well remember, older people follow certain traditions and they would like their children to follow suit.

The young of couples of today seem to practice a lot of things such as sex before marriage so older people will definitely not agree with those ideals. However, they also tend to not treat relationships as seriously as the ones from years ago. So as much as young people nowadays say that they are in love, the older adults would like to make sure that they are fully aware of what they are doing and not behaving in a childish manner.

It's a clash of different generations because both will see their methods of living as the right one to have while fully disagreeing with the other one.

When it comes to premarital sex, many people still agree with the custom of a man and a woman remaining virgins until they are married. For religious reasons, societal reasons, they have their reservations in regards to it. And there is nothing wrong with people still upholding that ideal.


Thank you for your response!
What religious and societal reasons are you referring too? I'm honestly curious - I grew up in the states and spent some time in India (which is why i watch some Indian shows) I never fully understood the reservations with pre-marital sex and the taboo associated with talking about sex and sexual matters. From what I gathered it pretty much came down to a way to control women by making sex and expressing sexuality a "bad" thing - it would prevent them from indulging or going down that path - now please keep in mind i'm not promoting becoming a nymphomaniac and a free for all have as much sex with as many people possible sort of environment.
Since there really isn't a way to know if men are virgins but for women it is some what possible (though im inclined to disagree) - this is a way to remain in control (for men) and promote a patriarchal society there by treating women as second class citizens.
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Masooma Bukhari

what is wrong, is wrong..

in our society and culture pre-marital sex is not permitted.. and a family like khandelwals wont go against it.. even avni wont..
but as she is still young enough and can go on the wrong track therefore its a duty of her mother to know

plus, having sex is not only and only avni's business...


Thank you for responding and sharing your views!
While I respect your thoughts - I must respectfully disagree with some of the points you have raised.
While I can agree that what is wrong would be wrong - in this context (pre-marital sex) right or wrong is subjective. I can't put a blanket statement that is 100% one way or the other.
I do agree with you that for a conservative, egoistic family such as the Khandelwals who don't approve of love marriages would certainly not approve of pre-marital sex. My main question by means of this post was to generate discussion as to WHY pre-marital sex and sexuality in general are considered taboo topics - not to argue over pre-marital sex being right or wrong.

A point to be noted here though - the Khandelwal's primary grievance against love marriages is they feel that children aren't able to make good life decisions on their own therefore parents should pick their spouses for them - looking for someone who is well suited for their family - based on standing in society and values. This is basically telling me that parent's (such as the Khandelwals) who claim to raise their children "right" with all the proper values and discipline fail at the basic task of TRUSTING their children and having faith in their upbringing. If parents are confident in their capabilities of instilling values in their children and empowering them with the tools to make proper life choices - then why get so offended if children do make a life choice and inform the parents rather than seek approval before making the decision?
Is it fear that the children no longer "need" their parents? If only such parents understood that as children get older they need their space and freedom to think for themselves so they should give them that space and remain supportive - children would respond much better and willingly share their thoughts with the parents - with out fear of rejection or judgement. That is after all why Akshat had to go behind their back - the Khandelwals didn't give him that freedom or comfort to communicate what he wanted.
Ive seen in personal experience that parents who rule with fear or micro manage their children and don't give them any sort of freedom to think for themselves or express their thoughts freely - are the ones who end up having very unhealthy relationships with their adult children - after a point the children either live in misery (as Akshat was willing to do) or they rebel and sever ties with the parents.
I think the same concept applies to pre-marital sex. If parents were more open to talking about sex and sexuality and practicing safe sex and WHY families want their children to remain "pure" till marriage - more young adults might be less inclined to have sex. By making a big deal or making it so taboo - young adults are more curious and more eager to find out what the big deal is all about and end up having sex in unsanitary conditions and unsafe sex.

Coming to the comment of having sex is not just Avni's business - I must disagree respectfully. I come from an environment where personal space is understood and respected - Avni is over 18 so she is legally an adult. It is her body and she has the right to take decisions for her body - it shouldn't be anyone else's business. Now again this is outside the moral/societal/religious arguments for or against this subject. From a basic human rights stand point - its her body and therefore her rules.

Hope that makes sense!
Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: skar1984

Hi Guys,

So I saw the Zee TV episode recap that is posted on the youtube site. In the last segment we see Bhavna trying to talk to Avni about her and Raj's relationship. I was good up until Bhavna asked her "did Raj touch you"

Please define touch. It was pretty clear from the insinuation that Bhavna was most likely trying to ask if Raj and Avni had sex. I don't understand this -

b) even if they did have sex - does that make her a fallen woman?
c) is the biggest concern she'll become pregnant? - anyone hear of birth control?

What is the cultural hype with virginity?! Its a constant double standard - girls so much as look at a guy - she's one of "those" types of girls. Guys can do what ever they want of course.

Sorry for being so crass but things like that really bother me - it perpetuates a double standard and sends a message that being a virgin is the end all be all - no wonder society treats victims of sexual abuse like they have some sort of diseases - its so sad :(


A part of your post have been edited.
I hope you don't mind us doing that as that was going a bit over the forum rules. This topic should have been closed by the APHG DT.
However, this post will not be closed as this was actually part of the show, when Bhavna asked "Did Raj touch you", and a member have a right to discuss anything here relating to the show.

Regards,
APHG DT.


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